Ramos breaks new record...

[steve]

In terms of the blame game, I believe that he carries a large share of it. This summer's transfer window started brightly and then disintegrated into a shambolic morass of actvity that ultimately ended in farce. And last summer's window resulted in key weak areas being neglected for less critical areas.

Come on Rez, Levy must take a fair share of this too. Is he not the one who ultimately decides the price and wages AND terms of payments that we make? I can't believe that DC has that remit anymore than FA did - Unless we know EXACTLY what happened in the summer then it's a bit unfair hanging it mostly on DC.

 

[DFF]

Great read Rez, as always!



I blame everything, I mean everything on Mr Commoli.

Fucking pleb. :lol:

Fair play to the team? They do try...? Oh, well that's alright, then (if it were even true in the slightest). What fucking mentalist planet are you from? 'Maybe I'm taking it bit too far but'... you're a fucking idiot.

Of epic proportions.

 

[nipponyid]

Fucking pleb. :lol:

Fair play to the team? They do try...? Oh, well that's alright, then (if it were even true in the slightest). What fucking mentalist planet are you from? 'Maybe I'm taking it bit too far but'... you're a fucking idiot.

Of epic proportions.

Who rattled your pram?

 

[DFF]

No one. It's an earthquake. We're all experiencing it. It's just that only some of us are aware of the fact. The others are too busy blaming Comolli or Zokora, or the tea lady...or the first person to mind.

 

[jimbo]

I really don't see how firing Comolli is going to lead to us conceding less and scoring more. Same goes for Ramos and Levy.

That said, this squad of players should be better than bottom so some blame has to go to Ramos as we're really not performing on the pitch. Ramos is Comolli's man, so if that fails then sure, sack him too. Of course, Comolli is Levy's man so, sack everyone.

Then we still won't be creating enough chances or scoring enough goals to win matches, but at least we won't have anyone left to blame. Except the players I suppose, and each other.

Personally, I think if anyone is to be fired it should be Stoof.

 

[Mullers]

But the club can't win can it? If they'd have come out and said "our aim is to have a couple of decent cup runs and and perhaps finish in the top six at best" the forum would have been full of people accusing the Board of a lack of ambition and demanding that they sell to someone with loftier ambitions.

The club can win. They should have appreciated what Jol had done, kept their mouths shut, let Jol get on with his job and not listen to the muppets on this forum who wanted Jol out. Jol had his heart and soul in this club, he was looking to build a dynasty, where as Ramos expects to leave at the end of his contract. (If he gets that far)

If Jol is to be believed then you're right. For what it's worth I think they fucked up bigtime sacking him. Said it at the time before anyone slags me off. But I hope we're brave enough to stick with Ramos and give him a chance to sort this out.

I believe Ramos is very close to being sacked I hope he will turn it around. The cc cup win is probably the main reason why he is still in a job, in my opinion. Suggestions like venables, souness, allardyce are now becoming more and more realistic because of the form of the team I believe. They are not what we need in the long term but I don't believe they would do worse than Ramos.

Another thing is Poyet doesn't escape blame in all this, he is part of the coaching staff. I see no reason why he should stay if Ramos goes.

 

[nidge]

the cancelling of the meeting with the Supporter's Trust at a time when the fans are screaming out for some measure of guidance or, if nothing else, reassurance.

I won't comment on the rest of your post rez9000 but from what I have heard there was a very good reason why the meeting with the trust was cancelled.

 

[Zuben]

I won't comment on the rest of your post rez9000 but from what I have heard there was a very good reason why the meeting with the trust was cancelled.

?

 

[Stoof]

Personally, I think if anyone is to be fired it should be Stoof.

I'd suggest the same of you, 'Nathe', but one would have to have a job first. :wink:

 

[mil1lion]

At least Keegan would give the players a lift, also would be ideal as heid probably only stay until the summer before chucking his toys out of the pram, giving the board breathing space to look for the right manager.

Would he though? He didn't exactly do wonders for Newcastle did he? In fact, he didn't have the start to his return that many were expecting, and the sort of start a lot of new managers usually get. I only really remember one spell of form he had at Newcastle, and it didn't get them that far, or last too long either.

The truth is, the players had no connection with Keegan. Certainly not to the extent of the Newcastle fans. They weren't his players basically. Harper was the only survivor of the first Keegan regime. And Owen only had his England connection, but was injured too often. At the end of the day, these are Ramos' players. The new signing joined Ramos' team. I'm not sure how Keegan would suddenly change that. The only two managers who i can think of who can lift the players are Harry Redknapp and Slaven Bilic. Redknapp can pretty much lift any team from this sort of situation because of his man management skills. And Bilic also has great man management skills, and two of our new signings play for his national team.

Post WWII-history, you mean. :grin:

Everyone's pissed off and has every right to sound off. It's only natural to look for scapegoats. Nevertheless, we're not a quarter of the way through the season yet and we're only 6 points worse off. We've also scored as many goals and let in just just two more. People were talking about relegation then, if not as much as they are now; they were certainly writing off any chance of a top six place.

Cold comfort, I know, but there are thirty games left, so whilst everyone is asking WTF is going on and is perfectly entitled to do so, let's not jump to OMG! We're going to be relegated! just yet.

:clap: Exactly. Its called bad form, but we do need to sort it asap. I dont usually look at the table until Christmas but i had a good look yesteday. Last year, Fulham lost 18 games and survived. Reading finished 3rd from bottom and lost 22 games. We've lost 5. I'm sure we've got 15 home games left too. We should be able to turn that home form around at least. Still plenty to play for.

I must admit that today really proved a few things:


3) Even though Bent scored he doesnt do anything else


That's his job you plank, what the fuck do you want him to do?

Exactly what i've been trying to say :clap: Bent scores goals. Thats all we need from him. Simple.

why did Ramos buy a striker who cannot play alongside his curret striker, it's madness.

We dont know that yet though do we? They've hardly played together. People weren't expecting Berbatov and Keane to play well together, as both liked to drop off and link up play. We all know how that worked out :wink:

Great read Rez, as always!



I blame everything, I mean everything on Mr Commoli. Just please, get rid of him!

Fair play to the team - they do try. Same as Ramos. But I just cannot stand Commoli's "Im-not-that-worried-we-are-gonna-be-cool" face during every game... Maybe I'm taking it bit too far but something's got to be done!

Problem is, sacking Comolli will make no difference on the pitch. Not until January at least. Even then, its difficult to get the right players in January. What we really need imo is for King to play in the League games.

No one. It's an earthquake. We're all experiencing it. It's just that only some of us are aware of the fact. The others are too busy blaming Comolli or Zokora, or the tea lady...or the first person to mind.

Irony is, we recently associated ourselves with San Jose, aptly nicknamed 'the earthquakes.'

 

[rez9000]

Come on Rez, Levy must take a fair share of this too. Is he not the one who ultimately decides the price and wages AND terms of payments that we make? I can't believe that DC has that remit anymore than FA did - Unless we know EXACTLY what happened in the summer then it's a bit unfair hanging it mostly on DC.

And I have said as much, Steve. Ultimately, everything that happens at the club is his responsibility as he is the Chairman. He has also been directly involved in events that have not been exactly advantageous to the club. The point is that he is the Chairman whether we like it or not. There is no way to get rid of him, even if it was in the club's interests to do so. And even if there was a way to get rid of him, it won't help the club, in the short term.

The most important challenge facing Spurs right now is to get out of the relegation zone. This is the worst start we've ever had to a League campaign and League history is not on our side. As far as I can gather, no team in our position of 2 points from the first 8 games of a season has ever survived relegation. That's nearly 150 years of League competition. And in that context, sacking Levy (which isn't possible anyway) or sacking Comolli is pointless. When you look at the quality that Spurs has on its books in terms of the players, it is mind-boggling as to why we are where we are.

What is required is a sea-change at the coaching/playing level. The players are led by the manager. In the same way that the chairman's job is to steer the club as a whole and the Sporting Director's job is to scout players and provide stability, it is the Head Coach's job to ensure that we get results on the pitch. The simple question is this? Has Ramos done that? I don't believe he has. And unless he can suddenly demonstrate that he can gain results on the pitch, he has to be replaced, because 30 matches left will very quickly become 20 matches left and then 10 matches left, until we find ourselves without the time we need to reverse the flow of fortune.