mil1lion
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Actually I think they're trying to one up us as they attempt to increase it to 1 trophy every 2 decades.YEah...but look...the Goons have started copying us
Ramos vs AVB
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eddiebailey
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The former Spur parachuted in as assistant manager is another parallel.
I do think Levy is attempting to do with AVB what he attempted to do with Ramos. But there is reason to think that in AVB he might have got it right.
Let's hope so, because if he has got it wrong we might struggle to find another Harry.
I do think Levy is attempting to do with AVB what he attempted to do with Ramos. But there is reason to think that in AVB he might have got it right.
Let's hope so, because if he has got it wrong we might struggle to find another Harry.
StartingPrice
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There are similarities - but some massive differences:
For a start, where it was like we were trying to get the manager in first, while working on revolutionising player acquisition and infrastructure but before it was ready, now it feels like this time we have everything in place for the new guy coming in.
Secondly, whereas previously, we were trying to get the best manager we could for the system we wanted, with the obvious pitfall that we weren't likely to be able to entice or afford the very best, this time, we have gone more down the same route as we are going with the players - try to identify the ones who will be the best, but while they are still obtainable and cheap enough.
Thirdly, AVB has the one thing that neither Santini nor Ramos (or 'Arry, for that matter) had - he is very fluent in English.
Coyboy
The Double of 1961 is still The Double
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I'm fluent in English, should I have been considered? AVB has an impressive record at Porto and comes across well (at first). But putting aside the mitigation of Chelsea's so-called 'big egos' all we really have to go on is his record at Porto; just as well had to go on for Ramos was his record at Seville. I think that the Chelsea 'player power' is somewhat overplayed, all it means is that they had winners like Terry, Lampard and Drogba who didn't take to AVB and who AVB couldn't control or get the best out of.
Doesn't that worry people?
Doesn't that worry people?
StartingPrice
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So, are you saying that the fact that Santini and Ramos had virtually no English was irrelevant? And I didn't say he should get the job because he speaks English, and speaks it well, I said it one of the factors that was different between him, on the one hand, and Santini/Ramos, on the other.
I listed three factors that make his appointment different to those of Santini and Ramos. I didn't anywhere say that that proved that he would be a better coach or would be a success.
Re the rest of your post: this has been debated at length elsewhere. In those threads, you will see that almost unanimously there is a recognition that this appointment does contain a strong element of risk...of course it does. Personally, I think the element of risk has to be weighed against his reputation of being a real, genuine hotshot coach in the making, then we will have a prized asset on our hands. Obviously, you can't wait for a season or a season and a half before you decide. You either do it now, or you employ someone else.
AVB wasn't necessarily my preferred option, but I can understand the excitement surrounding his appointment
Coyboy
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So, are you saying that the fact that Santini and Ramos had virtually no English was irrelevant? And I didn't say he should get the job because he speaks English, and speaks it well, I said it one of the factors that was different between him, on the one hand, and Santini/Ramos, on the other.
I listed three factors that make his appointment different to those of Santini and Ramos. I didn't anywhere say that that proved that he would be a better coach or would be a success.
Re the rest of your post: this has been debated at length elsewhere. In those threads, you will see that almost unanimously there is a recognition that this appointment does contain a strong element of risk...of course it does. Personally, I think the element of risk has to be weighed against his reputation of being a real, genuine hotshot coach in the making, then we will have a prized asset on our hands. Obviously, you can't wait for a season or a season and a half before you decide. You either do it now, or you employ someone else.
AVB wasn't necessarily my preferred option, but I can understand the excitement surrounding his appointment
No of course it wasn't but it wasn't the be all and end all. And if one of the things we have to go on is that he speaks Enlgish well and did well at a major club in a minor league, it represents a massive risk. People will point to Mourinho in that respect but then Mourinho won the CL and handled and got the best out of Lampard et al. And he is a bit 'special'.
StartingPrice
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Yes, but, as I emphasised, on the large threads discussing the ins and outs of the possibility of this appointment before it ever happened, almost unanimously, even the most positive AVBers have stated explicitly that there is a large element of risk involved. No-one is disputing that.
The purpose of my post was not, in any way, to reopen that debate, he's hired /of. It was to explore the differences between him, on the one hand, and Santini/Ramos, explicitly, because other posters were comparing the similarities - of which, undoubtedly, there are some.
