Raphinha

[SpartanSpur]

Because that’s what they believe state of play right now . Just have to wait untill next week to see what happens with the proposals being talked about. If they pull it off they pull it off there going for it and spending a lot of money backing fraudeta. Are they actually addressing there issues ? The judgment for all clubs will be the end of next season .

We are in a good place and fabs trying to build a structure and pyramid with in our club that was missing . We have to trust him and his team .

I think that's the only consolation for me if they do pull off both signings.

They'll have spent £100m and whilst they'll have a much better front 3 it still won't be as good as ours, and one of Saka or Raphinha will be playing on their less favoured side. I also think there'd be a good chance they lose Saka or Martinelli in a year or two.

My concern from a Spurs front if we do miss out is that the number of 'ready to go' attacking options seems to be dwindling. If we then lost Richarlison to Chelsea I'm not sure where we'd go.

 

[bigpalacios]

Generally when Ornstein is this bold and confident with a scum transfer they always complete it.

Going to be a double blow because from what I’ve seen Chelsea are going to go for both Sterling and Richarlison so we are likely to miss out on both players.

Just because Chelsea are going for Richarlison doesnt mean we will likely miss out on him.

 

[Aphex]

I just can’t imagine any ambitious player turning down Spurs and CL football for Arsenal and the Europa league.

If they offer significantly more on wages than that is the only way I see it happening. But if the salaries both clubs are offering are in the same ball park, as a project surely we win.

The chance to play under Conte, and CL football in a magnificent stadium alongside Kane, Son. It’s highly feasible that Arsenal don’t get into the CL even once over the next four or five years (the length of his contract). Raphinha could join us and be playing CL in a matter of months. Even objectively as a neutral, where would you rather be playing football for the next few years?

Arteta has shown nothing other than he’s a bottler, he’s won 1 FA Cup, he’s not elite. I just don’t see the appeal. I understand Jesus going as no other CL clubs are in for him but I’ll find it bizarre if Raphinha chooses them over us.

 

[chrisd2k]

I just can’t imagine any ambitious player turning down Spurs and CL football for Arsenal and the Europa league.

If they offer significantly more on wages than that is the only way I see it happening. But if the salaries both clubs are offering are in the same ball park, as a project surely we win.

The chance to play under Conte, and CL football in a magnificent stadium alongside Kane, Son. It’s highly feasible that Arsenal don’t get into the CL even once over the next four or five years (the length of his contract). Raphinha could join us and be playing CL in a matter of months. Even objectively as a neutral, where would you rather be playing football for the next few years?

Arteta has shown nothing other than he’s a bottler, he’s won 1 FA Cup, he’s not elite. I just don’t see the appeal. I understand Jesus going as no other CL clubs are in for him but I’ll find it bizarre if Raphinha chooses them over us.

Can't really say just one FA cup though as we are a bunch of Spurs fans who haven't won one in... I don't even want to do the maths.
Point taken though. During that run in he looked really out of his depth.
They need CM options which they don't seem to be addressing so I'm happy enough.
Raphinia, as much as I'd like him, isn't the be all and end all. There are other options and after Deki and Bentancur came from abroad and bossed the league we shouldn't be afraid of recruiting from abroad in a market that makes more sense financially

 

[k1cks77]

didnt Ornstein get the Vlahovic transfer wrong.

Yep he said they were in pole position and close to agreeing a deal, whilst vlahovic has said he never spoke to arsenal and only wanted juve. Ornstein has also previously said that arsenal were trying hard for calvert lewin and isak and were hopeful. As much as he is a mouth piece for arsenal of sorts it does not mean everything he says will come off.

i know it keeps getting said time and time again but people need to relax until something concrete happens. We also need to admire that our club has gotten so much business done early. Look at clubs like chelsea, man utd, leicester, etc. they all need to do a fair bit of business and have done sweet f all so far.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Yep he said they were in pole position and close to agreeing a deal, whilst vlahovic has said he never spoke to arsenal and only wanted juve. Ornstein has also previously said that arsenal were trying hard for calvert lewin and isak and were hopeful. As much as he is a mouth piece for arsenal of sorts it does not mean everything he says will come off.

i know it keeps getting said time and time again but people need to relax until something concrete happens. We also need to admire that our club has gotten so much business done early. Look at clubs like chelsea, man utd, leicester, etc. they all need to do a fair bit of business and have done sweet f all so far.

So basically he has great contacts with Arsenal but as we know the agent/player may be lying or Arsenal maybe lying to him to put a positive transfer story out to appease fans.

 

[GetKaned]

Wonder why we are down playing everything, for PR reasons in case we lose out to Arsenal?

May be thats our policy after the Luis Diaz fiasco

 

[eddiev14]

If Arsenal sign this guy ahead of us it will be an utter gut punch.

This notion of getting all of Conte’s priority signings in before we go on tour is looking increasingly fanciful.

We need to show we’re playing with the big boys with our CB, RWB and FW signings. We’ve been clever getting Bissouma and Perisic on the cheap but now is the time to make those savings count.

 

[rossdapep]

It amazes me that people are concerned about arsenal having a front 3 of Jesus, Saka and Raphina. They all prefer to play on the right, neither can hold the ball up and there's no aerial threat. Not only is our front 3 indivually better than each but they're the perfect complement. They each play in their best position too. We're after Raphina to compete and give quality in depth where arsenal want him as a sure starter.

Arsenal are making the same mistakes we've made in the window. They're looking to sign names to satisfy fans rather than what they actually need. If it was us we'd be doing our nut over their transfer strategy. So yeah I want Raphina here but not at all worried if he goes to arsenal. They may be confident but we've been confident on Eriksen and Bastoni but it doesn't mean we're getting them now.

I also wouldn't trust a coach like Arteta to get the best out of that either. He's botched up a lot of players because he has to play a really rigid system.

It's obvious he's trying to replicate Pep at City.

But the problem is Bernardo, David Silva, De Bruyne, Gundogan and Mahrez are very intelligent/creative players who can alter between roles (some more than others)

I don't see that with Saka and Martinelli. Jesus doesnt want to play CF and Raphinha can play LW at a push.

It kinda reminds me of AVBs window and when Sherwood said we had "too much of a muchness"

 

[rossdapep]

If Arsenal sign this guy ahead of us it will be an utter gut punch.

This notion of getting all of Conte’s priority signings in before we go on tour is looking increasingly fanciful.

We need to show we’re playing with the big boys with our CB, RWB and FW signings. We’ve been clever getting Bissouma and Perisic on the cheap but now is the time to make those savings count.

How do you know Raphinha is his top choice?

ITK and journos suggest it's Richarlison.

I'm sorry but it's far from a gutter punch

 

[eddiev14]

How do you know Raphinha is his top choice?

ITK and journos suggest it's Richarlison.

I'm sorry but it's far from a gutter punch

No idea who his top choice is but I would personally like Raphinha at Spurs.

 

[rossdapep]

Is also add that whilst it seems quiet now, it does seem like we are trying to take advantage of Inter and Everton's situations, and waiting on that as those players are Conte's preferred choices.

Once that time passes, if we don't go for Richarlison and Bastoni, I reckon you'll see us move fast.

 

[oobaties]

We’re all going to look very silly arguing over Richarlison/Raphinha, when Paratici returns from Milan next week with Lautaro Martinez under his wing. ?

 

[matty74]

If we really wanted Raphinha that much I’m pretty sure we would and could get him .

maybe just maybe us wanting him are just fabricated rumours and we in fact have a plan A B C and Raphinha is more a plan D .

I think some of us on here have less patience than my 3 year old granddaughter. So stop throwing your toys out and let’s wait and see who Fab and conte get in

 

[rossdapep]

No idea who his top choice is but I would personally like Raphinha at Spurs.

Sure, mate. He's a good player but I honestly believe Richarlison would give us more.
He won't go missing in big games and hes the type to score a 'sweaty' goal against your biggest rivals to win the game.

Raphinha is more skilful but he's less adaptable and I'm not sure of he's a winner.

I believe Richarlison has a very strong attitude and is more of a winner.

It's the kind of signing Fergie would make when United were on top.

 

[felmani26]

Sure, mate. He's a good player but I honestly believe Richarlison would give us more.
He won't go missing in big games and hes the type to score a 'sweaty' goal against your biggest rivals to win the game.

Raphinha is more skilful but he's less adaptable and I'm not sure of he's a winner.

I believe Richarlison has a very strong attitude and is more of a winner.

It's the kind of signing Fergie would make when United were on top.

People just equate the most skilful as the best option when in this case, Richarlison is the better fit.

Round pegs in round holes and he'll buy into Conte's MO

 

[Ghost Hardware]

The thing is, Richarlison isn't better in the WF positions than Raphinha. And Richarlison isn't a better striker than Kane, so he is joining to padd out depth as a rotation option.

Whereas Raphinha could actually come in and make RW his position. He can also play LW and Son can play upfront.

I just prefer us to sign the better player, and it's not like Raphinha is totally wrong for our system either.

I was going to write the same in the Richarlison thread but don’t need to now. I completely agree with this. Richarlison just isn’t that great of a player imo. Even one of our Brazil supporting fans was saying recently he has now moved down to the bench to accommodate Raphinha who is more effective. I really don’t get the clamour for him as I just don’t really see what he excels in.

 

[Basil Brush]

I was going to write the same in the Richarlison thread bud don’t need to. I completely agree with this. Richarlison just isn’t that great of a player imo. Even one of our Brazil supporting fans was saying recently he has now moved down to the bench to accommodate Raphinha who is more effective. I really don’t get the clamour for him as I just don’t really see what he excels in.

I agree with what you say, but we also have to realise who wants to come to us.

I honestly believe raphina will not end up at arsenal over us, even if we get Richarlison.

 

[Clarky1304]

Sure, mate. He's a good player but I honestly believe Richarlison would give us more.
He won't go missing in big games and hes the type to score a 'sweaty' goal against your biggest rivals to win the game.

Raphinha is more skilful but he's less adaptable and I'm not sure of he's a winner.

I believe Richarlison has a very strong attitude and is more of a winner.

It's the kind of signing Fergie would make when United were on top.

100% agree with this. I’d add that Richarlison has the ability to play LW or CF, which would actually be useful in rotation for Son and Kane. Raphinha can’t.
Ultimately, Arsenal have far deeper problems to cover than signing another player that is similar to what they already have. If they want to waste more money on that, let them knock themselves out

 

[GetKaned]

I was going to write the same in the Richarlison thread bud don’t need to. I completely agree with this. Richarlison just isn’t that great of a player imo. Even one of our Brazil supporting fans was saying recently he has now moved down to the bench to accommodate Raphinha who is more effective. I really don’t get the clamour for him as I just don’t really see what he excels in.

I think its mostly down to us finally having a solid system that does not necessarily demand the best players in every position. While Raphinha is clearly better at most stats, Richarlison gives Conte a bit more strength and graft at the top end of the pitch, good aerial prowess, ability to play from the left all which allows us to rest Son or Kane.