Rate The Ref

[Yid121]

Please rate Howard Webb's refereeing performance against Liverpool using the poll above.

I am submitting a poll after each of our domestic league/cup matches and keeping track of the results, so we can keep track of referees that ref well for us :wink: / just do a good job.

0/10 option is not going to be added as if we were to change the rating system previous results would be invalid!

Also, here's an interesting link for referee stats: (Credit to EmperorKabir for the link)
http://www.tri-ess.org.uk/football/current/frefs.html

Results
Andre Marriner - Man City (H) - Av. Rating 6.06 (89 votes cast)
Chris Foy - Stoke (A) - Av. Rating 6.34 (99 votes cast)
Phil Dowd - Wigan (H) - Av. Rating 4.69 (43 votes cast)
Howard Webb - West Brom (A) - Av. Rating 4.16 (62 votes cast)
Mike Jones - Wolves (H) - Av. Rating 5.62 (53 votes cast)
Lee Probert - Arsenal (H) - Av. Rating 2.27 (64 votes cast)
Martin Atkinson - West Ham (A) - Av. Rating 6.47 (30 votes cast)
Mark Clattenburg - Aston Villa (H) - Av. Rating 4.30 (73 votes cast)
Mike Dean - Fulham (A) - Av. Rating 7.87 (68 votes cast)
Mike Jones - Everton (H) - Av. Rating 2.52 (153 votes cast)
Mark Clattenburg - Man Utd (A) - Av. Rating 1.42 (115 votes cast)
Chris Foy - Bolton (A) - Av. Rating 5.00 (41 votes cast)
Howard Webb - Sunderland (H) - Av. Rating 2.57 (70 votes cast)
Andre Marriner - Blackburn Rovers (H) - Av. Rating 4.98 (58 votes cast)
Phil Dowd - Arsenal (A) - Av. Rating 7.81 (96 votes cast)
Martin Atkinson - Liverpool (H) - Av. Rating 6.76 (41 votes cast)
Kevin Friend - Birmingham City (A) - Av. Rating 5.09 (23 votes cast)
Mike Dean - Chelsea (H) - Av. Rating 3.65 (103 votes cast)
Martin Atkinson - Aston Villa (A) - Av. Rating 1.91 (124 votes cast)
Anthony Taylor - Newcastle (H) - Av. Rating 2.48 (102 votes cast)
Mike Jones - Fulham (H) - Av. Rating 5.19 (32 votes cast)
Lee Probert - Everton (A) - Av. Rating 5.44 (9 votes cast)
Mike Dean - Man United (H) - Av. Rating 6.33 (45 votes cast)
Mike Halsey - Newcastle (A) - Av. Rating 3.83 (29 votes cast)
Phil Dowd - Fulham (A) - Av. Rating 4.13 (59 votes cast)
Andre Marriner - Blackburn (A) - Av. Rating 5.89 (19 votes cast)
Mark Clattenburg - Bolton (H) - Av. Rating 4.66 (53 votes cast)
Mike Jones - Sunderland (A) - Av. Rating 5.89 (53 votes cast)
Chris Foy - Blackpool (A) - Av. Rating 4.54 (35 votes cast)
Mike Halsey - Wolves (A) - Av. Rating 4.93 (61 votes cast)
Mike Dean - West Ham (H) - Av. Rating 4.72 (32 votes cast)
Andre Marriner - Wigan (A) - Av. Rating 5.87 (23 votes cast)
Kevin Friend - Stoke (H) - Av. Rating 5.62 (34 votes cast)
Martin Atkinson - Arsenal (H) - Av. Rating 6.43 (58 votes cast)
Stuart Attwell - West Brom (H) - Av. Rating 4.80 (20 votes cast)
Andre Marriner - Chelsea (A) - Av. Rating 3.04 (27 votes cast)
Lee Probert - Blackpool (H) - Av. Rating 1.75 (36 votes cast)
Mike Dean - Man City (A) - Av. Rating 6.67 (6 votes cast)


*** Worst referee that has ever existed: Carlos Velasco Carballo due to his performance in Spurs Vs FC Twente (1.36, 149 voters) ***
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[antiloqus]

I thought he let them get away with alot of diving in the 1st half, otherwise OK.

 

[StartingPrice]

Usual ball-bag performance.
Have given him a massive 3 (mostly undeserved) for the childish reason that he gave us a penalty when it was both dubious and initiated outside the area.

Also should have sent Suarez off and booked Maxi,and don't even get me started on when Sheveley (or however your spell it) pushed Sandro into the crowd long after the ball had gone and they were both off the pitch (unless he booked him and I missed it).
Also, the usual anyone can do anything 'cos he's tall to Crouch rule was applied particularly strictly today. Would have to see it again, but I felt like that was a pen, was it 85 mins, on Crouch.

Anyway, the man is a muppet.

 

[OmarsComing]

His best ever performance for a spurs game.

 

[ryantegan]

I loved his shiny head

 

[CaptainCat]

Four. I'm glad he gave us a penalty, but it was a shocking decision.

 

[Marty]

Doesn't deserve more than a 3, the penalty we got was an awful decision (although it's nice to see us on the "right" end of one of those for once) and he should've taken more disciplinary action against Suarez and Maxi in particular.

 

[fortworthspur]

7. I thought he was excellent - wasnt swayed by Liverpool's constant moaning, and kept it sensible with the cards. Prolly wrong on the pen - but we deserve a mistake going our way for once.

 

[sasa_moto]

As he is Manchester United's best player, his penalty decision was welcome invitation to Luka Modric.

 

[yupcont]

average rating 4.802
win average 5.431
lose average 4.367
draw average 4.486
home average 4.532
away average 5.074

We like refs when we win and don't like them when we lose. Same with the players. Same with the manager. Same with the wife.

 

[nicdic]

Probably a 6.

Suarez should have been sent off for the kick, if not a second yellow for diving.

Maxi should have been booked for diving.

Shelvey should have been booked for shoving Sandro into the crowd.

Think he got the penalty right, but missed a few other fouls.

 

[StartingPrice]

average rating 4.802
win average 5.431
lose average 4.367
draw average 4.486
home average 4.532
away average 5.074

We like refs when we win and don't like them when we lose. Same with the players. Same with the manager. Same with the wife.

I gave Webby a 3 today, even though he gave us a pen (that was, er, irregular); I have given refs far higher even though we have drawn or lost, if they haven't make shockingly bad calls.
Some of us can differentiate, y'know.

Probably a 6.

Suarez should have been sent off for the kick, if not a second yellow for diving.

Maxi should have been booked for diving.

Shelvey should have been booked for shoving Sandro into the crowd.

Think he got the penalty right, but missed a few other fouls.

He didn't get the pen right, Nic. Even if you felt like the contact was worthy of discipline (and that is debatable), the contact was initiated outside the area, and so if it was aninfringement it should have been a free-kick.
Not that I'm complaining:grin:

 

[nicdic]

It was definitely a foul, and it was at least on the line if not inside.

 

[StartingPrice]

It was definitely a foul, and it was at least on the line if not inside.

It's on in a minute, Nic...watch it again. I would bet my left test...er, a few quid shifty that the contact began outside the area.

Also, if it was a foul it is another case of refereeing consistency, as some of those challenges pass off as robust shoulder-barges, whereas others are given as fouls.

p.s. I only put MOTD on to watch the Spammers getting relegated:dance:

 

[tooey]

Definately not a pen, should have called for at least one of the liverpool dives early to really stamp the nonsence out. A shelvey tackle on modric wasn't given as a foul because webb said "he got the ball"....Well yes he did, but he went through the back of him before he got to it. To his credit he got most of the simple decisions correct 5/10

 

[Spirit58]

It's on in a minute, Nic...watch it again. I would bet my left test...er, a few quid shifty that the contact began outside the area.

Also, if it was a foul it is another case of refereeing consistency, as some of those challenges pass off as robust shoulder-barges, whereas others are given as fouls.

p.s. I only put MOTD on to watch the Spammers getting relegated:dance:

Having now seen it several times I got to say I agree with Nic, contact was just inside the box & a shoulder barge in the back is a foul, seen those and worse not given in the past and seen pens given for less. Credit where it's due Webb was right but that won't change my opinion of the bloke, still don't like him.

 

[brett.spurs]

I thought the pen was correct too, since when can you go barging into the back of players sending them to the floor?

 

[StartingPrice]

Having now seen it several times I got to say I agree with Nic, contact was just inside the box & a shoulder barge in the back is a foul, seen those and worse not given in the past and seen pens given for less. Credit where it's due Webb was right but that won't change my opinion of the bloke, still don't like him.

From seeing it several times now, I would say a large part of Pienaar was inside the area, but his legand the part that is contacted is outside and thw whole of Flanigan (it was him, wasn't it:shrug is outside. Therefore, the contact was initiated outside the area.
I have altered my opinion on the actual challenge, though - the shoulder is into Pienaar's shoulder blade, not onto his shoulder - so, really it is not a proper shoulder-barge. So, probably right to give the foul.

Quite happy for him to give it, and we were one-nil up anyway, and looking quite comfy.

I thought the pen was correct too, since when can you go barging into the back of players sending them to the floor?

Yeah...but your opinion don't count:razz:

 

[garyhopkins]

Thought he did ok bar allowing some over-zealous moments (Shelvey in particular).
In real-time it was a definite penalty as the guy used way too much force when he was not getting near the ball.
Maxi should have been booked for his dive, but I reckon Kaboul's card waving left him thinking he'd have to book both for unportsmanship conduct so he didn't book anyone!

 

[Bill_Oddie]

I gave Webby a 3 today, even though he gave us a pen (that was, er, irregular); I have given refs far higher even though we have drawn or lost, if they haven't make shockingly bad calls.
Some of us can differentiate, y'know.



He didn't get the pen right, Nic. Even if you felt like the contact was worthy of discipline (and that is debatable), the contact was initiated outside the area, and so if it was aninfringement it should have been a free-kick.
Not that I'm complaining:grin:

My understanding of the rule (at least from endless debates of this kind - Liverpool at Old Trafford a couple of seasons back springs to mind) is that the foul is still a penalty if it goes "into" the penalty area. Which this did. Where the first contact is doesn't matter. In theory you could hoist a player onto your shoulders on the halfway line and running powerbomb him on his arse in the penalty box and it's a spot kick.


I was actualyl very impressed by Webb. He was very consistent in dealing with tackles. The bar was set early on - it was to be a lenient interpretation of what constitutes a tackle. Good news for us as we have tacklers in Sandro, Pienaar, Dawson and Kaboul. The policy suited Liverpool more though and as the game went on they got dirtier and dirtier as they knew they'd, at worst, get bookings if they went in hard. It was possibly dangerous but - because Webb talks to the players and they knew very well what was happening and what the ref was thinking (take note, Clattenburg, you fucking liability), they both understood what was going on and didn't get into huge slanging matches with the ref.

It was a fine example of a tough match to referee (hard tackles, reasonably big stakes, a few difficult decisions at both ends, crowd on your back) being 'managed' effectively by the referee.

I think Webb can be proud of that performance. As Omar said, it was his best in charge of a Tottenham game (although admittedly that isn't saying much).