Ratings v Man City (A)

[jonathanhotspur]

There's four points between us and second place. Are we not getting by ? With the exception of Arsenal no club has found this season a walk in the park.

I mean they're able to work the ball out of defence with some moderately talented players.

Are we getting by? I think we're on the brink of a crisis.

 

[beats1]

I was surprised that Dembele didnt start, he has been poor but he is always up for the big games

 

[Gedson100]

Fucking international breaks are like kryptonite to us, doesn't matter which end either it seems!

I'm concerned that the coach appears not to know his best team & now it seems maybe even his best formation.
I'm sure I read that last year players came out and said we needed to change the way we played half way through the season and we went on a good run, is this happening again with Ade back and ideas of 4-4-2?

It's frustrating. Redknapp couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, but he had the best 11 players at the club out there week in week out, whereas Andre coaches them to within an inch of their lives but runs a democracy over all matches ensuring everyone plays a bit ie. who is our first 11?

A little from column A, a little from column B...

 

[rich75]

Sorry for a minute there I thought you'd posted something that might support your theory that AVB is a lizard alien from the planet Beetlejuice 4231 who had implanted sim cards in all the players heads that overrides their ability to think for themselves, turns out it was just the whitterings of a disgruntled has been who wasn't getting picked talking about the sort of stuff any player might say about a new manager who actually turns up to training and does shit like….organising the team he's paid to.

As you were.

Is this what's really happening or what you like to imagine is happening ? I only ask as we don't seem organised into anything than a tedious excuse for a football team with no ability to do anything well other than pass it sideways across the halfway line. I grant you, it's certainly a talent but I don't recall it winning many matches.

 

[Vulcan10]

I don't usually think much of shearer on match of the day (and care even less for his taste in suits) but he had it pretty much spot on tonight re soldado and the deficiencies as a team going forward.

 

[FinnYid]

If Capoue is deemed fourth choice then AVB is making a mistake pure and simple IMO.

Is he making anything else than mistakes?

 

[markieboy]

What do you think AVB could do to change what we do with the ball ?

Play it a hell of a lot quicker and get players moving a lot quicker into positions that worry opponents.
I don't mean jog or canter,I mean sprint and I don't mean 1 player, I mean 3 or 4.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Is this what's really happening or what you like to imagine is happening ? I only ask as we don't seem organised into anything than a tedious excuse for a football team with no ability to do anything well other than pass it sideways across the halfway line. I grant you, it's certainly a talent but I don't recall it winning many matches.

Is that why until today we had the best defence in the league and are four points off second, not to mention earning our highest ever EPL points last year, Because our coach is so useless ?

I mean they're able to work the ball out of defence with some moderately talented players.

Are we getting by? I think we're on the brink of a crisis.

You don't call 4 points off second place getting by ? I'd call it at least that. Have you watched Liverpool play recently ? You think their midfield is moving the ball well ?

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Is that why until today we had the best defence in the league and are four points off second, not to mention earning our highest ever EPL points last year, Because our coach is so useless ?




You don't call 4 points off second place getting by ? I'd call it at least that. Have you watched Liverpool play recently ? You think their midfield is moving the ball well ?

Four points off second place, are we? You deserve the 4-4-2 you got in the second half today, BC. And get your napkin on, baby, because it looks like you're going to be seeing more of it.

 

[Spurger King]

Is that why until today we had the best defence in the league and are four points off second, not to mention earning our highest ever EPL points last year, Because our coach is so useless ?




You don't call 4 points off second place getting by ? I'd call it at least that. Have you watched Liverpool play recently ? You think their midfield is moving the ball well ?

It just doesn't seem that black and white to me. Fair enough, point to the results, and goals conceded, but many times last season I thought something wasn't right with how we were set up. This season, without Bale knocking in injury time winners from nowhere, it's seemed even more apparent that our set up was off.

In the majority of games this season we've looked like gorillas trying to pick petals off a rose...generally oafish and too physical, but clumsily managing to get the odd bit of success. It's never felt like part of a master game plan, but more of a blunt and unimaginative series of largely undeserved results.

We're not playing well, and now even your stats can't hide that fact.

 

[ultimateloner]

For me AvB is Mourinho without the man management skills. Losing to the best team with a formidable home record is an expected and acceptable result. I expected a 2-0 loss. However the manner of the defeat is the problem. Paulinho just gave up chasing Toure, who literally walked through several playrers. Vert's goals terrible too and same for Aguero's first. None of the goals bar the first one are spectacular. If we can't defend we won't win simple as that.

 

[Thailand_Yid]

Personally I blame Townsend...

I don't think Townsend can do things different from yesterday.
All I can Imagine he maybe provide more dribbling forward, shoot at chance outside the box like he always do it.

Win the most success dribble and shots per game, that won't change anything.

From yesterday I can see more good sign of attacking improvement a bit without Townsend especially when Ade came to the pitch.

I do like Townsend but...not the way he plays right now...the boy got talented for sure but need to rest a bit.

You know what I love this boy before, I waiting for him to be part of our first team, I always look at SpursIdol youth team thread and always follow his career path, I really excited to watch the kids.

My favorite players many of them from youth team, Tom Carroll, Lago Falque, Cristian Ceballos, Andros Townsend etc., and I always love the set up team building for youth camp also the playing style, maybe better than the first team though Imo, more like Tiki Taka style , yeah I know it's just kids play againts kids team so I don't expect much when they got a chance to adult football.



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Back to yesterday game 6-0, it was not a surprised scoreboard for me, I already post 5 nil to my predict thread.

From my thought before and after match-- Man City is The Best attacking football side in the league now.
And Tottenham is the worst attacking football side for sure your guys knew that.

Man city just beaten by Bottom team last match, they need to show the fans to back to the track.

I thought AVB underestimate City, got the wrong tactic.( I also read Sandro qoute before match that show how wrong determine your opponent, your guys not the same level as them right now.)

Best attacking football vs poor attacking.

I dont expect us to fight with soft punch, better play park the bus waiting for chance counter attack IMO.

Oh dear! I think Townsend much be useful for that couter attack with us sit deep 10 mens! his pace will work

Townsend left side--Lennon right side!!




And Finally I'm wth BC for a whole team were bunch of kids, too much kids...( Head coach a Kid aswell)

I always believe the good Champion team always 27-28 average y/o.

Cleary the whole team of us is a "FUTURE" team.

Arsenal just get perfect team this year waitng for their kids to grow up, 8 years for nothing, we maybe try to follow them paths can us patient enough? I dont think so.

And sometime I do love Levy sometime not, Sometime he look smart -sometime not.

Always sold best player, too much buy in one tranfer in 3-4 years round, Ramos in 2013 now.

Ramos got us League Cup Trophy then next seasons sacked.

AVB look like new hope got us 5th just a point from 4th and got highes points in our PL era.

then next year look like a shit-- team can't score remind me of Darren Bent upfront 4-5-1 again.

And I waitng for new stadium first plan out on 2008, now replan again after 5 years. --*
Circle of Tottenham life span agian and again...

Liverpool show more best management, they brough a manager who has cleary philosophy try to copy Barca football and bring suitable player to system.

Liverpool also keep their best player that in worst case scenario than Bale , Suarez yes! cry out to be sold but finally happy with the team now and scores for fun.

Well Management they got my respect!!!

Man City cleary got the right football style -- one two , tapping lower cross from side, world class stars.
Livepool cleary got the right football style -- try to be tiki taka, got right player.
Man U cleary got right football stlye -- Fergie built it for long time , Moyes almost got better adapt to new team.
Swansea cleary got the right football style -- Owner in love with beauty football, change coach never change team style...very strong culture there I love it.

Southamton also Believe in total football - - verty good team management, strong culture, strong passing game.

Chelsea play smart and cheating suit for them.
Arsenal got the right football style - -dont want to say much hate them.

Tottenahm - - still dicuss about 4231 433 442 wtf!!
cleary management focus on profit--I hate to say it I know i'll getting plenty neg rating I don't care now.




Last i do love possesion football, I do love spanish style, Barca football. I dont have problem with slow football
but i do have problem with selfish football, no creative no build up play.

Too much buys and Boys in first team...

Okay I should stop moaning and go to work already afternoon in my country.

sorry to be an idiot moaner in wrong thread with awful English skill forgive me just want to reliefe some pain and I don't like to post much just merge my sick opinion in one ..

 

[lifeof...]

We created nothing of note in that period, though. I've been watching it again.

That highlighted sentence is pretty accurate for all of this season.

When AVB was at CFC, I had a discussion with a good friend, a life long CFC supporter, and the problems for cfc, were easy to see. they moved the ball forward to slowly, painstakingly slow, the player movement in the final 3rd was pedestrian. and they lacked player penetration into the box, lack of players in potential goal scoring positions (players staying outside of the box) They were also mind numbingly boring to watch.

Which is pretty much where we are today.....

Good mangers get their 1. team to be better than the sum of their parts. 2. They create a team capable of winning every games 3. They plan and play to win. 4. They are adaptive to the situation, as in their minds, they have alternative possible solutions if xyz or the unexpected happens,

on paper, our squad is very good, capable of challenging for the prem (maybe not wining it, but at least putting up a good fight for it)

AVB is 1. No. Were are worse than the sum pf our parts.
2.Yes.and No The team have the capability, But Having lots of possession but doing nothing with it, does not win games. AVB does not seem to appreciate or understand this point.
3. No, AVB plans and plays not to lose.
4. No. He is very rigid in his belief on how football should be played. This can be a good thing if it works, but really not when it doesn't. He really doesn't seem to have a plan B, let alone a plan C,D,E.

AVB has had a whole season, to get better, i think on the whole we have made good signings, most of the press and professionals / ex player pundits agree we had a good / great window. We are now 9th..Yes i know we are also 3 points of 4th or 5 points of 2nd (taking our shit GD, we need the extra point) But that's more to do with how the league is this year, its more open, We have been solid in defense, and we have gained some 3 point victories, but all of our "wins" have not really been conclusive or convincing wins...where are the 3 nils or 4-1? Some say we were unlucky against Newcastle, Yes Krull played well, But if you look at the game, most of the saves Krull made, you would expect any half decent goal keeper to make.

Footballs most simple rule is, to win the game you have to score more goals than the opposition. That is it. nothing complicated. now look at our goals scored column.

I voiced my reservations when we 1st signed AVB, I just did not accept that it was all the CFC players fault for the slow insipid play, their lack of creativity in the final 3rd, how dull they were. how they looked unlikely to score or win games. To me their Manager (AVB) had to be responsible for a lot of it. Last Year, Bale, on form, diluted this to a degree, It was also fair to give AVB time...But we are now into his 2nd season...and truthfully the alarm bells are ringing, and they are ringing loud and clear. I am crossing my fingers and toes hoping he will resolve it. but in my brain, i don't think he is capable, i don't think he has what it takes to be a good manager.

AVB is a rare manager indeed, he is an exception (maybe even a unique one) He has never played football professionally. maybe that is more telling than it is thought to be.

AVB is an acronym Are Very Boring

I worry when i see "Tottenham Hotspurs AVB again......... "in the head lines

oh ratings...Epic Fail

 

[guy]

Football is a simple game, generally played by simple young men. AVB treats it like it's quantum physics

 

[SugarRay]

There's four points between us and second place. Are we not getting by ? With the exception of Arsenal no club has found this season a walk in the park.

Palace, Swansea, Cardiff, Hull, Villa and Norwich. These are the sides we have managed to beat this season.
Only one of them has a genuine chance of a top half finish, the rest are relegation candidates. I think our kind run of fixtures to the City game, could well be masking our issues.
Mind you, two games which should have been 3 points in the bank have already been lost ( that's nothing new as we usually lose two home games a season to utter shite, think it might be more than a couple this season though, Hull could have come away ith the three points for example )

Next month is huge. Tough games ( can't see us getting anything next week or from the games against Loverpool or Southampton ) and fixture congestion.
If we are going in to the new year lower than 7th then AVB will be under huge pressure.

 

[Gilzeanking]

A few points . Firstly Man City are a lottery winning team . They simply buy the best players . Players like Daws are clearly unable to play against the best players in the world . We only face lottery teams twice a season so players like Daws still have their uses .
From the first fuck-up we were chasing the game , we haven't scored since the turn of the century so our players went forward , leaving the best attackers on the planet room to complete their work .

The Man City match for me was a sort of one off disaster . The real horrors have been from the Hulls/Sheriffs who we huffed and puffed to beat luckily to the WHams and Newcastles .

As ever on a footie forum the talk is of formations and team selection . The elephant in the room is how are the players feeling about AVB and his style of management . As has been pointed out here . There is no sign of improvement over AVB's 18 months . With these exact players there is no sign of improvement this season .

Its time now to watch like a hawk for signs that the players have lost faith in AVB's management . Once that is clear then its curtains for him . He's only had success at Porto..yes Chelski are ****s but there look to be similarities in their AVB playing style and ours ...ie AVB has form in what we are seeing now . He is very young maybe this high profile start was too soon and he needs time out at a lower profile European team to sort his ideas out and come back. A Mourinho without the man management skills said someone here .
I'd love it if AVB could turn this around , but after 18 months its now a major concern . How he fires them up to play Utd will be key , we'll learn a lot from that . Our underperforming players are doing so for a reason , is it
loss of belief in the management systems ?

Finally ,we've had our high position shoved down our throats every time someone suggests that the team are playing badly . Well , now we're 9th and we're still having the number of points we are away from 2nd shoved down our throats (As said before you have to add one point to this 'We're only x points off 3rd whatever' figure because our goal diff is spectacularly shit)

Really thought for parts of last season that AVB was taking us forward to a golden future , there is still a chance he could , but I'm gutted at the team's lack of development now .

 

[Wardy]

Difficult to give anyone a rating really.

All I hope is that AVB realises we look half decent when we put a cross into the box using WIDTH. Sick of this narrow formation!

 

[Qualsonic]

I don't think Townsend can do things different from yesterday.
All I can Imagine he maybe provide more dribbling forward, shoot at chance outside the box like he always do it.

Win the most success dribble and shots per game, that won't change anything.

From yesterday I can see more good sign of attacking improvement a bit without Townsend especially when Ade came to the pitch.

I do like Townsend but...not the way he plays right now...the boy got talented for sure but need to rest a bit.

You know what I love this boy before, I waiting for him to be part of our first team, I always look at SpursIdol youth team thread and always follow his career path, I really excited to watch the kids.

My favorite players many of them from youth team, Tom Carroll, Lago Falque, Cristian Ceballos, Andros Townsend etc., and I always love the set up team building for youth camp also the playing style, maybe better than the first team though Imo, more like Tiki Taka style , yeah I know it's just kids play againts kids team so I don't expect much when they got a chance to adult football.



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to yesterday game 6-0, it was not a surprised scoreboard for me, I already post 5 nil to my predict thread.

From my thought before and after match-- Man City is The Best attacking football side in the league now.
And Tottenham is the worst attacking football side for sure your guys knew that.

Man city just beaten by Bottom team last match, they need to show the fans to back to the track.

I thought AVB underestimate City, got the wrong tactic.( I also read Sandro qoute before match that show how wrong determine your opponent, your guys not the same level as them right now.)

Best attacking football vs poor attacking.

I dont expect us to fight with soft punch, better play park the bus waiting for chance counter attack IMO.

Oh dear! I think Townsend much be useful for that couter attack with us sit deep 10 mens! his pace will work

Townsend left side--Lennon right side!!




And Finally I'm wth BC for a whole team were bunch of kids, too much kids...( Head coach a Kid aswell)

I always believe the good Champion team always 27-28 average y/o.

Cleary the whole team of us is a "FUTURE" team.

Arsenal just get perfect team this year waitng for their kids to grow up, 8 years for nothing, we maybe try to follow them paths can us patient enough? I dont think so.

And sometime I do love Levy sometime not, Sometime he look smart -sometime not.

Always sold best player, too much buy in one tranfer in 3-4 years round, Ramos in 2013 now.

Ramos got us League Cup Trophy then next seasons sacked.

AVB look like new hope got us 5th just a point from 4th and got highes points in our PL era.

then next year look like a shit-- team can't score remind me of Darren Bent upfront 4-5-1 again.

And I waitng for new stadium first plan out on 2008, now replan again after 5 years. --*
Circle of Tottenham life span agian and again...

Liverpool show more best management, they brough a manager who has cleary philosophy try to copy Barca football and bring suitable player to system.

Liverpool also keep their best player that in worst case scenario than Bale , Suarez yes! cry out to be sold but finally happy with the team now and scores for fun.

Well Management they got my respect!!!

Man City cleary got the right football style -- one two , tapping lower cross from side, world class stars.
Livepool cleary got the right football style -- try to be tiki taka, got right player.
Man U cleary got right football stlye -- Fergie built it for long time , Moyes almost got better adapt to new team.
Swansea cleary got the right football style -- Owner in love with beauty football, change coach never change team style...very strong culture there I love it.

Southamton also Believe in total football - - verty good team management, strong culture, strong passing game.

Chelsea play smart and cheating suit for them.
Arsenal got the right football style - -dont want to say much hate them.

Tottenahm - - still dicuss about 4231 433 442 wtf!!
cleary management focus on profit--I hate to say it I know i'll getting plenty neg rating I don't care now.




Last i do love possesion football, I do love spanish style, Barca football. I dont have problem with slow football
but i do have problem with selfish football, no creative no build up play.

Too much buys and Boys in first team...

Okay I should stop moaning and go to work already afternoon in my country.

sorry to be an idiot moaner in wrong thread with awful English skill forgive me just want to reliefe some pain and I don't like to post much just merge my sick opinion in one ..

Post of the day.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Kaboul was abysmal, Verts should go back to centre, kaboul left back.

Going foward, bar Verts and Eriksen, the whole team reeks going foward.
our culture of passing backwards and sideway has spread to almost every player including Holtby. There's no flow of play whatsover going foward, no pratice, no game plan, no trust between the players. It's a black hole that's sucking every new signing that comes to Spurs

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I don't usually think much of shearer on match of the day (and care even less for his taste in suits) but he had it pretty much spot on tonight re soldado and the deficiencies as a team going forward.

Agree, when you looked at Soldado's heat map it was obvious for all to see but it's probably been the same in most games. We bought a penalty box player and we can't work the ball into the penalty box so he's coming deeper and deeper to try and get involved which isn't his game.

It's becoming clear that avb has no idea how to get the best out of Soldado, now we're practising with 4-4-2 instead of improving our style of play in the system that he actually wants us to use. It seems like he's totally confused with how to get the team out of this goalscoring slump.