Ratings vs Cardiff

[Francis Gibbs]

No, no agenda, I like Townsend and thought he broke well in the first place, but I thought Adebayor saved what was an overly delayed pass and had Adebayor not managed to work it the way he did we'd not be discussing a goal, we'd be discussing an impressive break with a poor end product as we so often do with Andros. If anything I'm especially biased to Andros as I like the fact that there's a (half) Cypriot boy in the side.

But you're just in a strop because Soldado played well and made you look a mug I'm guessing

so the ball wasn't too wide and evidently wasn't too late as it gave Adebayor the perfect amount of time to feed it into Soldado - so really hardly worth mentioning was it.
As for Soldado playing well and making me look a mug, that does amuse me, but again you need to go back and watch the game. He scored but apart from that he was about zero threat to the second bottom team in the League even his hold up and lay off were error strewn, now that may constitute playing well to you but not to me.
That said I am sure the floodgates will open now, as I have constantly been informed all he needed was a goal - breath is firmly baited

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Where was the risk taking and attacking in numbers in these games:

West Brom, Palace, ManC, Hull, Everton, Norwich, Cardiff, ManU, Swansea


Bale accounted for less percentage of AVB's goals than Adebayor has for Sherwood.


Not only are we not taking risks or attacking in numbers in the vast majority of our games, Sherwood isn't getting the defensive aspect right either.

A striker scoring goals during a game.

A winger/wide forward scoring the winner in the last minute from 30 yards.

Very comparable.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

so the ball wasn't too wide and evidently wasn't too late as it gave Adebayor the perfect amount of time to feed it into Soldado - so really hardly worth mentioning was it.
As for Soldado playing well and making me look a mug, that does amuse me, but again you need to go back and watch the game. He scored but apart from that he was about zero threat to the second bottom team in the League even his hold up and lay off were error strewn, now that may constitute playing well to you but not to me.
That said I am sure the floodgates will open now, as I have constantly been informed all he needed was a goal - breath is firmly baited

We clearly watch very different things, so from here on now I choose not to waste precious energy and moments on you. I only have another 50 years left on this planet roughly, that's not enough time to justify spending valuable seconds interacting with the likes of you.

Good day sir.

I said good day!

EDIT: What the feck is it about posters with Gibbs in their name??

 

[Moose Malloy]

Lloris........7...Every little breeze seems to whisper Lloris.

Lloris Chevalier thanks you.

 

[Francis Gibbs]

We clearly watch very different things, so from here on now I choose not to waste precious energy and moments on you. I only have another 50 years left on this planet roughly, that's not enough time to justify spending valuable seconds interacting with the likes of you.

Good day sir.

I said good day!

EDIT: What the feck is it about posters with Gibbs in their name??

hallelujah - only took me 2 posts, amazing how quickly the supercilious disappear when challenged

 

[Francis Gibbs]

We clearly watch very different things, so from here on now I choose not to waste precious energy and moments on you. I only have another 50 years left on this planet roughly, that's not enough time to justify spending valuable seconds interacting with the likes of you.

Good day sir.

I said good day!

EDIT: What the feck is it about posters with Gibbs in their name??

they dont suffer fools gladly perhaps?

 

[Chris12]

We clearly watch very different things, so from here on now I choose not to waste precious energy and moments on you. I only have another 50 years left on this planet roughly, that's not enough time to justify spending valuable seconds interacting with the likes of you.

Good day sir.

I said good day!

EDIT: What the feck is it about posters with Gibbs in their name??

They're ****s....................

Edit: Jokes, don't take it so personally or serious

 

[tttcowan]

So when you cannot counter his points you resort to ridiculing him. Pathetic.
Anyone who watched the games will agree with most of what bc posted.

If you have any exprerience with BC then you'll know trying to make him see things from a different point of view or at least admit his method of dissecting performances could be flawed... I've tried... We've all tried before... I think he's hitting new lows calling what's going on under Sherwood "Chaotic" compared to what was going on under AVB as "Methodical"... I mean for fucks sake?!?!? REALLY???

 

[Mr Pink]

Do you believe we have scored more goals because of something Sherwood is coaching or has changed tactically ?

Do you believe we are generally creating more chances in games through changes Sherwood has made ?


I said to you early on, I am not seeing much in the way of coached or tactical improvement in play, but what I was seeing was an Adebayor on fire and a team no longer controlling the ball or territory very well hitting teams on the break occasionally.

I'm pretty sure he was trying to get more bodies in the box initially, but we are certainly not doing that with any more efficacy than before Sherwood came along now, even at home to the worst team in the league.

Just working on the league games:

West Brom(1), Palace(2), ManC(1), Hull(1), Everton(1), Norwich(0), Cardiff(1)

All these games were devoid of creativity, featured spells of incoherence, no pattern and chances for the opposition. Norwich we had plenty of possession but didn't have a shot on target until the 80th minute. Hull was a similar story.


Southampton (3), ManU (2)

These games were not us dominating or controlling, the opposition had way more of the ball than us, we scored goals on the break (in ManU's case virtually the first time we got in their half).


Newcastle (4)

we didn't actually create for ourselves, a clear scoring chance until past the 80th minute. A parried cross, and a parried shot from outside the box earned our first two goals and then a shot from an angle that scored the third was a clear chance (in the 80+ something minute). Then Chadli scores a worldy from outside the box. We did create one more proper chance for Townsend but by then we were 3/4 to the good and Newcastle were fucked.

What was pleasing for me about this game was not the goals scored, but the tactics used (I liked the balance of skills in the CM3) and the fact that we actually played coherently on and off the ball for 50 minutes.

Stoke (3)

Chances created, goals scored.



Adebayor has scored or assisted 11 of our 22 goals. Credit to Sherwood for picking him. But that is 50% of all our goals in the league. If he was just the gloss on otherwise good footballing performances that would be different, but are you honestly telling me you would call what we've been watching is "good" ?

By all means criticise AVB for his methodical (risk averse even) football, his high line and for falling out with Adebayor. And if Sherwood continues to rack up the wins ou can make a valid case for some kind of efficacy.

But you seriously can't be telling me you think we are playing a better brand of football in any way now ?

Are you enjoying most of the games ?

No I don't believe we're scoring more goals because of Sherwood's coaching. I said to you its largely down to playing Adebayor - that is the long and short of it.

However we have seen some encouraging glimpses here and there. I thought, first 25 minutes notwithstanding, our performance at Swansea was very good for example - I see you conveniently ignored that one.

Newcastle away, was still a good performance not matter how you try and devalue it. He's got some things right in terms of setting up, other times he's got it wrong.

Look, the bottom line is this: he's only been in the job two months and is continuing to pick up points at an impressive rate. Its too early to judge if he's going to apply what he's learned. He's going to make mistakes, and do we honestly expect to see vast improvements in our collective attacking displays in the space of a few weeks with somebody who's had no experience at this level?

I don't think the brand of football has been that much better in most games, but the likes of Swansea away it was IMO. He's just addressed one major problem we had under AVB - not scoring enough goals. But setting the team out properly in some of the games, with a balanced shape and indeed which is more suited to some of our players was encouraging.

So whilst some performances, collectively at least, are far from convincing - the results are good, and that should buy anybody time. If this carries on into this month and results are respectable enough - do you not think it would be fair to reserve judgement on performances for a bit yet?

In the early months with AVB you were quite critical, and it wasn't until we played Swansea (I think) until most of us started to see more encouraging signs.

I'm not saying Sherwood will improve us enough over time, he probably won't get enough time anyway. but I think its wholly unfair the stick he gets on here. I could understand it if he wasn't picking up points coupled with the concerning performances - broadly speaking. But fuck me Rhonda.

Have I enjoyed the last few games? Obviously not, they've been the poorest of the lot. Now whilst the Europa League is not entirely to blame for our problems, you know full well its completely exacerbated them in the last few games - and it must be tempting to lump these performances in as the typical performance under Sherwood - which isn't entirely accurate I'm afraid.

For every Hull, West Brom and Everton performance - we've had a Swansea, Stoke, and Newcastle one.

I think performances have been mixed. He's got it right sometimes and other times he hasn't. Hull away he got it wrong playing 4-4-2 IMO. The same approach we saw at Swansea and Newcastle, could of been a different story.

That's why I keep saying he's learning.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Lloris - 7

Naughton - 5
Dawson - 8
Vertonghen - 7
Fryers - 5

Paulinho - 4
Dembele - 5

Lennon - 6
Soldado - 7
Adebayor - 7
Townsend - 5

Sandro - 7
Chadli - 7
Kane - 6

 

[OPModric]

Townsend: 4 - Poor. Reminds me at times of a trapped fly trying to go through a window, lacking the intelligence to realise the glass is solid and he can't escape.

Spot on!

 

[Legend10]

Where was the risk taking and attacking in numbers in these games:

West Brom, Palace, ManC, Hull, Everton, Norwich, Cardiff, ManU, Swansea


Bale accounted for less percentage of AVB's goals than Adebayor has for Sherwood.


Not only are we not taking risks or attacking in numbers in the vast majority of our games, Sherwood isn't getting the defensive aspect right either.

As usual you're just ranting, you seriously need to take some valium or something or you're going to burst a blood vessel.

Well it's quite ironic you've picked 8 games there that you're not happy with our attacking play, yet we scored as many goals from open play in those 8 games as we done in 16 under AVB. So whilst yoy're not happy with them we were notching in them at a full rate of a goal a game more, that is unbelievably significant. It would also point to us carrying a far greater degree of threat in those games than we did earlier in the season when we were scoring at the rate of a bottom 3 or 4 side, in fact if you took our penalties off we were outscoring Palace by 1 goal and that's it.

For a side of our attacking possinilities it's almost laughable that we should be scoring so few goals, frankly it almost seems impossible.

I don't care what Adebayor's percentage is, he's a CF he's supposed to get on the end of chances and it's very different him scoring goals from inside the box to be rescued by a continuous stream of 30 yard worldies and free kicks flying in the top corner.

Even though AVB and Sherwood share an almost identical goals against rate i will concede that we probably did look slightly more secure under AVB, but we were so negative we really should be.

Frankly it's just a bit daft to suggest we are no more threatening with 22 in 12 as opposed to 12 in 16.

Over the course of the season that would be an extra 41 goals, even if you gave AVB his dubious pens of which none were scoring chances it would still be an extra 34 goals.

And remember Sherwood has achieved 2.16 pts per game in the best coached, most tactically astute, difficult Premiership in history.

 

[JimmyG2]

I find BC very persuasive, it's the way he tells them.
Allowing for a little, OK then quite a lot of
over the topness at times but it's more entertaining
than Tottenham were on Sunday.

I also find his critics very persuasive too
but that's because supporting a team
and following a game is an art not a science.

The sacking of AVB has not done as much damage as it might have
and credit Tim for holding the fort at least.

We are not going to get fourth
and he probably wont get the job even if we do.
Promises have been made and verbal contracts signed.
Levy still has his eyes on the stars
and unless we win the Europa, unlikely,
Tim will get a good payoff and a thanks but no thanks.

Cue further disruption of playing and coaching staff
and another season of disruption.

Perhaps keeping Tim who is on a steep learning curve
might be preferable.

 

[ultimateloner]

TBH the only thing i can determine from this game and the last few are:

1) Townsend is awful; he could at least be a new Lennon but is failing even at that.
2) We look much better in attack with Eriksen as opposed to without.
3) Paulinho is disappointing. Aside from scoring every now and then and show-boating abit doesn't contribute a whole lot. Not a great sign for a CM where consistency is more important than potential.
4) Chadli should start.
5) Soldado supportrs (me included) can breath a sigh of relief for now; who knows, theres only so much time before people give up on you despite being classy.
6) Daws can play in PL.
7) Vert looks a world-beater against weak teams but seems to shy away against strong ones.
8) Walker is alot better than Naughton.

 

[parklane1]

We were crap ( once again) but Lennon was mom for me .

 

[SlotBadger]

even his hold up and lay off were error strewn

As in he didn't find one of our players? Or you're saying he didn't play an inch perfect pass?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

As in he didn't find one of our players? Or you're saying he didn't play an inch perfect pass?

the former on a number of occasions

 

[Bus-Conductor]

No I don't believe we're scoring more goals because of Sherwood's coaching. I said to you its largely down to playing Adebayor - that is the long and short of it.

However we have seen some encouraging glimpses here and there. I thought, first 25 minutes notwithstanding, our performance at Swansea was very good for example - I see you conveniently ignored that one.

Newcastle away, was still a good performance not matter how you try and devalue it. He's got some things right in terms of setting up, other times he's got it wrong.

Look, the bottom line is this: he's only been in the job two months and is continuing to pick up points at an impressive rate. Its too early to judge if he's going to apply what he's learned. He's going to make mistakes, and do we honestly expect to see vast improvements in our collective attacking displays in the space of a few weeks with somebody who's had no experience at this level?

I don't think the brand of football has been that much better in most games, but the likes of Swansea away it was IMO. He's just addressed one major problem we had under AVB - not scoring enough goals. But setting the team out properly in some of the games, with a balanced shape and indeed which is more suited to some of our players was encouraging.

So whilst some performances, collectively at least, are far from convincing - the results are good, and that should buy anybody time. If this carries on into this month and results are respectable enough - do you not think it would be fair to reserve judgement on performances for a bit yet?

In the early months with AVB you were quite critical, and it wasn't until we played Swansea (I think) until most of us started to see more encouraging signs.

I'm not saying Sherwood will improve us enough over time, he probably won't get enough time anyway. but I think its wholly unfair the stick he gets on here. I could understand it if he wasn't picking up points coupled with the concerning performances - broadly speaking. But fuck me Rhonda.

Have I enjoyed the last few games? Obviously not, they've been the poorest of the lot. Now whilst the Europa League is not entirely to blame for our problems, you know full well its completely exacerbated them in the last few games - and it must be tempting to lump these performances in as the typical performance under Sherwood - which isn't entirely accurate I'm afraid.

For every Hull, West Brom and Everton performance - we've had a Swansea, Stoke, and Newcastle one.

I think performances have been mixed. He's got it right sometimes and other times he hasn't. Hull away he got it wrong playing 4-4-2 IMO. The same approach we saw at Swansea and Newcastle, could of been a different story.

That's why I keep saying he's learning.

You had me at "no".

 

[Mr Pink]

You had me at "no".

Fair foxes lol

 

[sparx100]

I find BC very persuasive, it's the way he tells them.
Allowing for a little, OK then quite a lot of
over the topness at times but it's more entertaining
than Tottenham were on Sunday.

I also find his critics very persuasive too
but that's because supporting a team
and following a game is an art not a science.

The sacking of AVB has not done as much damage as it might have
and credit Tim for holding the fort at least.

We are not going to get fourth
and he probably wont get the job even if we do.
Promises have been made and verbal contracts signed.
Levy still has his eyes on the stars
and unless we win the Europa, unlikely,
Tim will get a good payoff and a thanks but no thanks.

Cue further disruption of playing and coaching staff
and another season of disruption.

Perhaps keeping Tim who is on a steep learning curve
might be preferable.

That was a rubbish poem