Misfit
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This really. Anything else is just bullshit but then, that's modern football for you. More money and more bullshit with every yr.
Rule change needed
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I havent read the whole thread so I dont know if it has already been suggested, but in the eventuality of this happening again, how about a two legged affair with whoever finishes fourth or last qualifying position for that nation, playing the winners ?
I definately think Chelsea should be given a wildcard entry into the competition for winning it, but not at the expense of whoever finishes fourth, the potential damage to a club like ours could possibly set us back years.
I definately think Chelsea should be given a wildcard entry into the competition for winning it, but not at the expense of whoever finishes fourth, the potential damage to a club like ours could possibly set us back years.
Real_madyidd
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I really don't think coming third or fourth is all that. Certainly not worthy of "Champions League". If they are going to change anything they may as well sort out some proper structure to the competitions. I would suggest that the champions league is a league, for the champions, rather than a cup, for the losers.
Spurger King
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Actually I'd quite like this to happen to Chavski one day.
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bill
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Rename the competition then. Call it the 'Best of your league's teams - unless this year's winner never made the grade' League.
Seriously It will never be just Championsof a country's football league. This format makes money and like Underhill, it's never going to be level playing field. The top popular teams with big support make money and this is what it's all about.
The Europa league is a crap format. It's a league of second best. A league of the others. It's the place Uefa created to put the rest of the teams and it really isn't working.
What they should do is combine the competitions into one Euro league. Just make the whole thing a lot bigger. Dont worry about county clashes. Draw the names out of a hat, Have some 'groups of death' and the top section a knockout as now, It will still attract huge revenue.
Then bring back a Cup Winners Cup as a pure knockout comp. But make the revenue a bigger prize per game to make up for a lack of games overall. This would attract a huge global sponsor. I would say that a team could compete in both. So Barca for example of they did the double would get CWCup and CL places.
Seriously It will never be just Championsof a country's football league. This format makes money and like Underhill, it's never going to be level playing field. The top popular teams with big support make money and this is what it's all about.
The Europa league is a crap format. It's a league of second best. A league of the others. It's the place Uefa created to put the rest of the teams and it really isn't working.
What they should do is combine the competitions into one Euro league. Just make the whole thing a lot bigger. Dont worry about county clashes. Draw the names out of a hat, Have some 'groups of death' and the top section a knockout as now, It will still attract huge revenue.
Then bring back a Cup Winners Cup as a pure knockout comp. But make the revenue a bigger prize per game to make up for a lack of games overall. This would attract a huge global sponsor. I would say that a team could compete in both. So Barca for example of they did the double would get CWCup and CL places.
bill
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Europa league winners qualify automatically, and their nation does not lose a place.
EastLondonYid
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That is only because the winners would only have friendlies for 2 years which would put them at a disadvantage it was claimed.
I think the winners of the CL should always be able to defend their title,however much it hurts surely we can see thats right,i do think the rules suck that we don't get to qualify in some other way, but like so many have said, we knew the rules before so its too late now, they were changed with the Liverpool shit in 2006 so their are no grey areas to contest, its over lets move on Uefa won't help us end of.
mattyspurs
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Kendall and ELY, if you both read the my OP, I haven't said that I want the rules changed for us, I accept it and we knew the rules were there.
I've said that they need to be looked at in the future because the situation is shit.
I've said that they need to be looked at in the future because the situation is shit.
Bingy
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It is a travesty, what has transpired, in recent days.,...BUT the present CL format is ALL set out to benefit the top clubs in each country....$ over £ over € over any currency you like? It is set up to benefit the Top Dogs in Euro football....and we were 'not at the table' between in the early 80's and 90's....so we missed out. We can be dammed sure that, had Liverpool or Manure been in our situation, law changes would have been made (for historical or whatever reasons!) but...as the 'state of play' is, today, there is a FLAW in Uefa's design (but we knew that it existed!) amd we are paying the price of success over money! Is there any reason to feel that Levy will 'play a blinder' and succeed in making sure that we get into the Qualifying Rounds of the CL (an early start to the 2012/13 Season!)? I am keeping the dream alive....but....there again....COYS!
ItsBoris
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Speaking of earning it BC, if at the beginning of the season I offered you two pathways into the Champions league for next season, either 1.) Beat Aston Villa who have been terrible all season, OR, 2.) Beat Valencia, Napoli, Benfica, and Barcelona over 2 legs plus beat Bayern Munich in their own stadium, which would you take?
Because that is what it came down to. To finish 3rd we just had to beat Villa and then Fulham at home (which we managed fairly easily), we knew what we had to do. Chelsea also knew what they had to do but the difference is that they DID IT. And their pathway was much, much more difficult.
To be the best you have to beat the best. How have we fared in that area - well against the top 4 we have won 1, drew 2, and lost 6 this season, conceding 26 goals and scoring 10. You don't earn things by beating the mediocre and the shit, and you don't earn it by relying on the temporary failures of others. I'm as gutted as anyone else to miss out but to claim we have earned it is a little bit dishonest I would say. 4th never guaranteed CL.
ShelfSide18
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Chelsea? Arsenal?
Bingy
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It is true that Harry is 110% responsible for our fate....this year but....the question is not one of whether, or not, Chelski deserve to be in next years CL (defence) ? What is causing contraversy, is the fact that just because they were successful (MONEY TALKS?) in this years competition, they are 'parachuted' into 4th (plus) dispite being being inferior to their EPL counterparts, all season. That is what is unjust, in a major way? I have been reliably assured that Eufa can facilitate ALL parties, by 'jigging about' the qualification apparatus...which will not phase the THFC Board/Club....but...that might be seen as a 'give in' type of scenario, by other leagues? Balderdash! Levy WILL come to some arrangement, with 'The powers that be' (Eufa) and, as long as he 'plays ball', there might yet be a 'Cockrel' in the CL Draw 12/13! Will the 'FA' do anything to help? Doubtful....COYS!
vegassd
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Lmao! Portsmouth?
It's meant to represent the best club teams in Europe, and you can't compare a team who has played 38 games in the Spanish league to a team who has won 5 games (or whatever it is) in the FA cup. Christ - Liverpool might have qualified this season by that reckoning!
Whilst this rule seems unfair to us right now, I think that it's the most fair way of doing it in terms of the entire competition. I agree with BC about the fact that Chelsea have reaped plenty of reward already, but the competition would be a little less rich without the current champions involved. So if you shoe horn the champions back in you have to shoe horn somebody out, and why should that not be a team from the same nation as the champions?
Let's be honest guys... had we finished 3rd and Arsenal 4th then the vast majority of Spurs would be saying "them's the rules". Whining about something that we all knew could happen just makes Spurs fans as a collective sound pretty pathetic. Just my opinion.
ShelfSide18
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It does need to be changed though, I think Chelsea deserve to defend their trophy, but we've earned that over a long league season and it makes an utter mockery of the league. Forget us chucking 3rd away, just consider Newcastle who have performed excellently all season with 4th always in sight, ultimately they were playing for a prize that wasn't there - which is entirely wrong.
mattyspurs
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To a point SS, yes, my bro in law ia Arsenal, and I was chatting to him on the phone last night, he agreed with me, he wasn't gloating, although I know a lot of fans are, but it's a shit feeling, and I really don't want other clubs to have to go through it.
Now how it gets changed is anyones idea, and it probabaly won't, but seriously, going forward, something needs to change.
30m and the presitge of the whole thing means alot to a club like ours with a 36K stadium, if we didn't have a chairman as prudent as Levy, it really could set us back, it won't because Levy won't let it, but say it was Everton, who it nearly happened to before, how would they cope, or Villa, not one of the bigger clubs.
Real_madyidd
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If the prize was Champions League do you REALLY think they would have won? Would the big clubs still played reserve teams?
I think it' a great idea to increase the profile of the FA Cup.
