Sheriff Tiraspol Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[idontgetit]

so as I understand it , some people would actually prefer playing all "sexy entertaining football" and finishing fourth like Arsenal than playing "ugly boring football" and win the title like united

Because there's no middle ground right? Title winning United sides are professional, not ugly. They can be boring at times but they have plenty of class in their side and often play top quality attacking football.

 

[CowInAComa]

get this
he would have to gel 7 new players aswell

Why would that mean finishing where Swansea finish.

 

[dimiSpur]

Nowadays the high prices tags arent for finished articles, they are for the potential and is the risk with every transfer no matter how big or small the price tag.. Lamela will improve

If you're Man City that's right. For everyone else the principles I mentioned applied. I'm confident Lamela will improve, but that's not the point here. The point is we've overpaid for him. £30m for us is the record transfer. That means he should be hitting the ground running. Luckily for him and whoever sanctioned the move Townsend is looking fantastic, meaning we've no need for him to be rushed into the side.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Not really, we know how good Bale is and what he is capable of. Lamelas potential is largely unknown.

His ability for that matter isn't largely unknown, ask Roma fans... Or a fair few people here.

Not slagging you off mate but clearly your knowledge of football doesn't branch too far beyond the premier league.

 

[Misfit]

Not really, we know how good Bale is and what he is capable of. Lamelas potential is largely unknown.

You didn't watch many of Roma's games then these last 2 seasons?

 

[dimiSpur]

google it

Aren't you a bundle of joy.

 

[Nocando]

Not really, we know how good Bale is and what he is capable of. Lamelas potential is largely unknown.

Surely the point is we just should wait and see before making our mind up with closed statements.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

In fairness we looked worse defensively than we actually were. The highline tactic make everything look rather life or death but you don't appreciate how much it prevents without you seeing it. It's like Lloris being so trigger happy off his line. You see him haring out of the goal no where near the ball and you're like... shiiiit. The thing is though that a goal keeper staying on his line would have to make so many more saves because Lloris cut's the move out before it happens.

This post has two very important points that want amplifying and reinforcing:

1. The high line makes for heart attack moments when a quick player gets through and is onside, but it makes the "pointless passing" of possession football (the buzz term is "circulation") possible and the whole point of that is that the opposition gets a handful of chances in every match. That is why we are keeping clean sheets: not the individual defending, but by starving the opposition of the ball and of attacking chances.

2. Lloris is absolutely crucial to this approach. I saw a post a day or two ago where someone was insisting that Lloris wasn't an exceptionally good goalkeeper. It became evident from the way he was writing that it was because Lloris had made very few spectacular saves, compared (say) to Gomes or Robinson, back in the day. But the whole point about Lloris is the 6 or 7 saves he's not making in every game, because the opposition never get off a shot before Lloris gets to the ball. He's a good shot stopper, but his whole style is based around not letting the opposition shoot. It's consistent with the high defensive line, it's consistent with the "circulation" of sometime-endless possession without forward movement and it's consistent with having ball-playing central defenders.

I wasn't particularly upset about the "circulation" tonight, because, after we scored the first goal, we were doing it predominantly in the opposition half. I'm happy for us to circulate the ball for 2 minutes at a time there - it's called "pressure" - as opposed to pinging it back and forth 10 metres in front of Lloris.

 

[jezz]

Not really, we know how good Bale is and what he is capable of. Lamelas potential is largely unknown.

we paid 25 bale cost 85
i trust baldini judgement over yours

 

[CowInAComa]

You didn't watch many of Roma's games then these last 2 seasons?

Nope none. Has he really torn it up like Bale has the last couple of seasons?

I have readily admitted my opinions of Lamela are based on what I have seen. And the go-to youtube clip of a half decent game against Siena which I find a little bizarre in its underwhelmyness.

Happy to be wrong.

 

[shelfboy68]

[quocoursete="CowInAComa, post: 3664169, member: 23627"]Are you saying you cant play good football and win? Explain that to me given the success of highly entertaining football teams.[/quote]

Of course its possible to play good football and still be successful just look at utd for the last 20 year's or Barcelona or even brasil and spain at national level their records are not too shabby.
It's just that andre can't or doesn't want his team to play that way as most games we dominant possession in our own half but can't create for shit and with the high line as soon as the opposition push up onto us we look all at sea.

 

[CowInAComa]

Surely the point is we just should wait and see before making our mind up with closed statements.

who has? The general opinion is that he has been underwhelming. I am rooting for the lad, but you can only be judged on what you have offered.

 

[Shepspurs]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but with ISA and PAYE in their team it was always going to be a taxing match.

Apologies anyway.

Just got to the point where Sherbournespurs used this joke at 7:12pm

 

[CowInAComa]

we paid 25 bale cost 85
i trust baldini judgement over yours

my judgment is what exactly. do you know?

 

[JerryGarcia]

If you're Man City that's right. For everyone else the principles I mentioned applied. I'm confident Lamela will improve, but that's not the point here. The point is we've overpaid for him. £30m for us is the record transfer. That means he should be hitting the ground running. Luckily for him and whoever sanctioned the move Townsend is looking fantastic, meaning we've no need for him to be rushed into the side.

When Liverpool payed £35m for Andy Carrol their fans eased their pain by telling themselves that he was actually free due to Chelsea buying Torres for £50m. If you're having trouble with the Lamela fee, maybe you could explore that line of though in relation to the Bale deal?

 

[dimiSpur]

All this chat about lamela, have you seen bale's RM performance. he cost 85m and he has been well...... dross for them. And they paid 85m but I bet they believe he will come good just like Modric was voted worst ever summer buy last year but he is pulling the strings for them.

Class is perm , form is temp.

Real Madrid are a different entity though. For them big signings are the norm. We've spent over £20m twice, both times in the past window. For us record signings have to be correct as we can't go and correct the mistake with another £30m player in January, unlike Real Madrid.

I accept your point though. Bale has been excused somewhat due to injury and a lack of pre-season. He won't be afforded the same understanding if he isn't firing on all cylinders come Xmas.

 

[khataby_spurs]

Because there's no middle ground right? Title winning United sides are professional, not ugly. They can be boring at times but they have plenty of class in their side and often play top quality attacking football.

and we don't do this at all ?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Because there's no middle ground right? Title winning United sides are professional, not ugly. They can be boring at times but they have plenty of class in their side and often play top quality attacking football.

That's so, but we see the highlights. Their goals. We don't watch Man Utd for 90 minutes every week and see the grinding-out bits. We see those when we watch Spurs.

 

[Twizzle]

How much did he cost then?

€30 million

 

[dimiSpur]

When Liverpool payed £35m for Andy Carrol LOL their fans eased their pain by telling themselves that he was actually free due to Chelsea buying Torres for £50m. If you're having trouble with the Lamela fee, maybe you could explore that line of though in relation to the Bale deal?

Good point! Problem is I'm not a scouser, I have a brain and acknowledge we could have spent that money on a player that might have had a bigger impact on this season.