Sherwood has gone!

[Teemu]

I feel sorry for Sherwood to be honest. I love his passion, I really do, and you can tell he is desperate to do well. But if one of us somehow got hired for the Spurs job, however much passion we showed, and however much we wanted to do well, we still wouldn't be a very good manager...

 

[Yid1987]

I once witnessed Tim question Brendan Rodgers training methodology when he was at Swansea. He's arrogant and clueless!

Said when he took over that he wasn't receptive to modern advances in sports science etc and look at the injuries we keep picking up.

Tonight he showed once again how clueless he is. Why Harry Kane started I have no idea, why Eriksen played on the left - no idea, what our game plan was - no idea. Sad thing is, I don't think Tim really knows either.

A number of fans are planning to take banners against Levy on Sunday. What impact it would have only time would tell. One thing is certain - fans are losing patience with Daniel a Levy and his faithful support is getting smaller and smaller. It's been said many times before but I think this Summer is his most important since he too charge of the club. He's made too many cock ups now appointing and sacking managers, buying the players in the managers behalf and this was topped off with appointing Tim as manager.

He has once last chance IMO to get it right and appoint the right man, then back his judgement on players and sign who the manager wants without interference. If it goes wrong again I think he'll completely lose the trust and faith of the fans.

 

[NEVILLEB]

The players and Sherwood know he's getting replaced in the summer.

 

[sam1972]

If we plan on getting LVG at the end of the season, there is no point sacking Tim now, unless we ask who LVG wants as his assistant and appoint him interim manager.

knowing our luck he'll want sherwood as his number 2

 

[SlunkSoma]

From his post match:
"No problem with the desire and effort there tonight," he said. "That's what I questioned and asked for. We've got to see it over a consistent basis so I've got no complaints about that.

"It's a blow. I've got no problem with the attitude or desire, it's just we have to hold our hands up and say they're a class above."

Not sure what he means by attitude or desire, if he thinks they showed it tonight.

 

[lillywhites61]

Did I really just hear Tim say there was no problem with desire in the team today!!!!! What fucking game did you watch Timmy Boy:/ fuck me

 

[scissor_gang]

The tragic thing is i can see Arsenal collapsing and making 4th obtainable but we are going to be too bad to take advantage.

Agreed. This should be cross posted in the "how things could get worse" thread

 

[StartingPrice]

Wonder if theres still any pro Sherwood guys out there. I was getting killed for wanting Sherwood out by them after a few matches. Now, they've probably all either seen the light and switched sides or scared to face the music

If you think it was an issue of pro-Sherwood/anti-Sherwood then you have totally and utterly missed the point.
I don't believe anyone had any issue what-so-ever with any other member of the forum believing that there were/are better choice of manager than InterTim. As far as I remember, the problem was, the problem I had/have is that certain fans thought/think it is actually okay to actively want the team to fail, results to be incredibly bad, the club to lose ground, just so that they can have their opinion (in this case, Sherwood wasn't up to the job) vindicated.

I just cannot see that in any way, shape or form, as supporting - and that is what these people are supposed to be. Once Sherwood was appointed (and this goes for any manager) you absolutely have to want him to succeed, whether you believe he won't, even if you believe he will be an absolute disaster, because him succeeding is the club succeeding. You absolutely have to want to be proven wrong. Sadly, so many are so keen on being seen to be right that they are, as said, actively wanting the club and team to have results like we have been having.

I can't say if you were one of the ones who actively wanted our season to be a disaster just so that you could believe that you were right in your estimation of Sherwood, but my opinion of anyone who did/does is absolutely, totally and completely the same. If Sherwood stays for the rest of the season (and, remember, when this started the almost unanimous verdict was that he would be in charge until the summer) then any true fan will want us to turn things around, and turn them around in the next game. That doesn't interfere with anyone's belief that there are better managers out there.

Have your opinion about who the best manager is, by all means, but for Gawd's sake don;t actively want the team to have dreadful results just to be proven right, eh!

 

[paulcumpstone]

I don't think Sherwood is the man for the job and i think he got the lineup wrong tonight but more important what it has highlighted is regardless if it was AVB or Sherwood or Fergie in charge they would be struggling as our squad just aint all that good, considering the amount of midfielders we have, Eriksen apart we have alot of similiar players and alot of mediocre players and regardless who is picking the side we still don't have a good squad balance, i don't mind Eriksen out wide but it means the left full back has to bomb on when he comes in field, think naughton crossed the half way line and drove at Benfica once in about the 40 min (not saying he was poor-just aint a left back) and Danny Rose isn't any better going forwards. Whoever decided what we bought and what areas we needed to strengthen is who fucked our season up and under ENIC i'm not convinced it will get any better, We are ran well as a business just don't work in unison with what we need on the pitch.

 

[CrazyHeart]

The Tim Sherwood Debate?

There is no longer any debate.

 

[lami]

I was one of the guys who supported Tim early on. Not because he was the footballing messiah but simply because I felt he was getting ridiculous levels of hate when at that point he'd hardly done much wrong (goals were going in and PL form was decent).

Unless you all had crystal balls I don't really see how this qualifies as an 'I told you so'. The only reasons I remember seeing were:

A) He's a gooner (pathetic)
B) He's a bad person/backstabber
C) Unqualified- badges/experience

The last one the only justifiable concern however not enough for the flat out hatred many had for Tim. Guardiola didn't have much experience for example. Doubt the Barca fans hated him...

I like that Tim really seems to care and whether his recent comments were wise I have to say I agree with 90% of them.

He has completely lost the plot though. He really did start Harry Kane in a 4-4-2 against Benfica with Naughton at LB. It's ridiculous the more I think of it. So out of his depth.

Spurs will be my team forever, and can't smile without you rings true but right now I despise almost everything about our club. Players, staff, board and especially the chairman. How long can he continue to shirk accountability?

What an utter clusterf#%k of a season...

*puts phone down and goes to bed before plunging deeper into disappointment*

To be fair Pep had a stint as the Barca B coach and did extremely well with them. Plus his reputation as a player stood him in good sted.
Tim won one league title as a player, which was the season that Blackburn bought the league! Funny how he never moved on to a so called "big club" after winning the title!
No manager should be placed in charge of a premiership team without previous experience! Doesnt work

 

[spurs9]

knowing our luck he'll want sherwood as his number 2

The only saving grace is that TS said he wouldn't be anyone's assistant.

 

[CrazyHeart]

To be fair Pep had a stint as the Barca B coach and did extremely well with them. Plus his reputation as a player stood him in good sted.
Tim won one league title as a player, which was the season that Blackburn bought the league! Funny how he never moved on to a so called "big club" after winning the title!
No manager should be placed in charge of a premiership team without previous experience! Doesnt work

Sherwood is the 'Shah' style dictator that was installed by Levy in the coup d'etat to overthrow AVB. We shouldn't be surprised if he was the head of the CIA in his last job as opposed to a real coach.

 

[absolute bobbins]

knowing our luck he'll want sherwood as his number 2

Chillax, Van Gaal would want Freund or Ramsey...Gordon or Chris

 

[bookhouseboy]

Sandro:

"Maybe some managers shout more than others. (Former manager Andre) Villas-Boas, for example, liked to pull you aside and have a nice chat to you to explain things.
"But other managers are more vocal. As professional football players, we have to work with all managers and do our best for them and for us."


It's obvious from this that TS is a shouting-manager, and reading between the lines Sandro doesn't seem to impressed about TS's pedagogic skills - and based from what we've seen on the pitch this year there are no progress or structure from Team Sherwood's training sessions; or should we just call it shouting-sessions with ball.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Interesting how so much about AVB is being written on just about every forum. I think deep down even the most ardent detractors know the truth that he should've stayed 'til the end of the season.

 

[Shadydan]

I don't think Sherwood is the man for the job and i think he got the lineup wrong tonight but more important what it has highlighted is regardless if it was AVB or Sherwood or Fergie in charge they would be struggling as our squad just aint all that good, considering the amount of midfielders we have, Eriksen apart we have alot of similiar players and alot of mediocre players and regardless who is picking the side we still don't have a good squad balance, i don't mind Eriksen out wide but it means the left full back has to bomb on when he comes in field, think naughton crossed the half way line and drove at Benfica once in about the 40 min (not saying he was poor-just aint a left back) and Danny Rose isn't any better going forwards. Whoever decided what we bought and what areas we needed to strengthen is who fucked our season up and under ENIC i'm not convinced it will get any better, We are ran well as a business just don't work in unison with what we need on the pitch.

You're kidding, Fergie would turn this lot into world beaters and Mourinho would at the very least instill so heart and get the players to believe that it's not their right to lose games.

 

[weststandvoice]

Interesting how so much about AVB is being written on just about every forum. I think deep down even the most ardent detractors know the truth that he should've stayed 'til the end of the season.

AVB was far from perfect, but this clown is an embarrassment.

 

[lami]

If you think it was an issue of pro-Sherwood/anti-Sherwood then you have totally and utterly missed the point.
I don't believe anyone had any issue what-so-ever with any other member of the forum believing that there were/are better choice of manager than InterTim. As far as I remember, the problem was, the problem I had/have is that certain fans thought/think it is actually okay to actively want the team to fail, results to be incredibly bad, the club to lose ground, just so that they can have their opinion (in this case, Sherwood wasn't up to the job) vindicated.

I just cannot see that in any way, shape or form, as supporting - and that is what these people are supposed to be. Once Sherwood was appointed (and this goes for any manager) you absolutely have to want him to succeed, whether you believe he won't, even if you believe he will be an absolute disaster, because him succeeding is the club succeeding. You absolutely have to want to be proven wrong. Sadly, so many are so keen on being seen to be right that they are, as said, actively wanting the club and team to have results like we have been having.

I can't say if you were one of the ones who actively wanted our season to be a disaster just so that you could believe that you were right in your estimation of Sherwood, but my opinion of anyone who did/does is absolutely, totally and completely the same. If Sherwood stays for the rest of the season (and, remember, when this started the almost unanimous verdict was that he would be in charge until the summer) then any true fan will want us to turn things around, and turn them around in the next game. That doesn't interfere with anyone's belief that there are better managers out there.

Have your opinion about who the best manager is, by all means, but for Gawd's sake don;t actively want the team to have dreadful results just to be proven right, eh!

It's all good and well saying you should back the manager who ever he is. The thing is even a complete muppet could see that it was never going to work with Tim in charge.
to never manage any football team and then take charge of the shambles that is tottenham, ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.
We should have just hired Hoddle on an interim basis and started fresh in the summer.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Sandro:

"Maybe some managers shout more than others. (Former manager Andre) Villas-Boas, for example, liked to pull you aside and have a nice chat to you to explain things.
"But other managers are more vocal. As professional football players, we have to work with all managers and do our best for them and for us."


It's obvious from this that TS is a shouting-manager, and reading between the lines Sandro doesn't seem to impressed about TS's pedagogic skills - and based from what we've seen on the pitch this year there are no progress or structure from Team Sherwood's training sessions; or should we just call it shouting-sessions with ball.

He's a swearer too, used to scream blue murder at development sides