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On Twitter he said that one of Lescott, Milner and Barry were on his list...
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On Twitter he said that one of Lescott, Milner and Barry were on his list...
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All kidding aside, based on what I've seen this spring term, I'd have taken Long and still would. He's not an international superstar, but the fella wants the fuckin ball and he wants to place it in opposing nets. He'd also likely be delighted to be at a club the size of Spurs and not pout when they're hindering his next big-time move. Often find myself watching Hull and wishing those rumors in January had been real.
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A slightly alternative view for those that still think that it is the players 'lack of desire' that is our major downfall rather than the 'instructions and guidance' from above them...
It isn't Spurs specific but the approach does transcend sports in my opinion:
Wanted: mentors, not coaches
Elite sportsmen today don't lack motivation, nor do they need to be whipped into shape. What they need from their coaches is tact, judgement and clear speaking
Ed Smith
March 30, 2014
Imagine you are about to make a putt to win the Masters. The gallery is packed, millions are watching on TV, there is an eerie silence as the Georgia sun sets. You stand over a nasty ten-footer, the moment of truth. And then, at the peak of concentration, you see your coach jumping up and down, beating his chest, shouting at you, "Just don't miss! Put it in the hole! Show some guts! Don't back down now! Make bloody sure you don't bottle this one! What kind of man are you?"
Now imagine you are the first violinist, about to make your debut at the Royal Opera House. Just before the first chord, with the curtain about to rise, the conductor turns to you and whispers, "If you make a mistake today, any mistake at all, I'll stab you in the eye with my baton. Now let's play Don Giovanni with freedom and expressiveness!"
And how would you treat a surgeon about to conduct a life-saving operation on your wife or child? Would you threaten, bully and intimidate the doctor? Or would you try to avoid adding further anxiety to an already fraught situation? In all these three situations it is widely accepted that no sane coach, mentor or observer would seek to add to the anxiety or effort of the protagonist. It is taken as a given that the golfer, surgeon or musician is already trying hard enough - perhaps too hard.
And yet in most sporting contexts, the default position of coaches - and pundits who judge coaches in the media - is to assume that the problem afflicting a team or an individual player is usually caused by a lack of effort. If only players cared more, tried harder, felt disappointment more deeply. That sentiment, so widespread in sport, gives rise to the knee-jerk response: give them all a good bollocking; expect there will be plenty of strong words in the dressing room after that shot; wouldn't want to be standing near the manager at half-time.
We will soon look back on that view of how to improve professional athletes as comically old-fashioned, a cul-de-sac in the evolution of elite sport. After all, epic levels of discipline and commitment are non-negotiable if you want to survive as a professional sportsman today. The era of flabby, lazy athletes coasting through their careers while focusing more intently on hard living and nightclubs is pretty much over. Today's professional athletes are generally exceptionally disciplined, committed and determined. Given the scrutiny they face and the scientific testing of their bodies, there is no alternative. As a consequence, the "edge" - as gamblers describe the tiny opportunities for strategic advantage - will not reside in bullying and shouting at players but in honing their skills and freeing up their talents.
In most sporting contexts, the default position of coaches - and pundits who judge coaches in the media - is to assume that the problem afflicting a team or an individual player is usually caused by a lack of effort: if only players cared more, tried harder, felt disappointment more deeply
It is time to re-classify elite sport and stop seeing sportsmen as a rabble of unmotivated wastrels in search of a sergeant-major to whip them into shape. Athletes in highly skilled sports, in fact, have more in common with surgeons and violinists. They need mentors, wise advisors, trusted confidants. Consider the art of batsmanship. What kind of discipline is it? It requires touch, feel, finesse, trust, freedom, poise and balance. On a spectrum (with skill at one end and brute force at the other) batsmanship has more in common with playing a musical instrument than it does with punching someone in the face.
There is surprisingly little consensus about how to help elite performers to get better. Musicians, once they have reached the top, tend not to have full-time professional coaches. They rely instead on trusted mentors, people who might spot a tiny difference or lack of form. They refer to these mentors as their "outside ears", as top musicians admit that what they hear in their own heads can be different from the "real" music that reaches the audience. The mentor, though not in a position of authority over the artist, is able to see and hear with objective clarity. The relationship is based on trust not power.
Something similar - though it is called "coaching" - happens in many individual sports. In golf and tennis, the coach works for the athlete, not vice versa. This is not only a reflection of economic forces. When Roger Federer hired Stefan Edberg, he did not want the Swede to shout at him, "Try harder, Rog!" That would be useless, indeed counter-productive. Federer sought a new dimension to his net play, and Edberg, as the greatest volleyer of his generation, was asked to supply his unique perspective. The foundation of the relationship was knowledge and mutual respect.
In team sports, there is obviously a complication. The coach is usually the selector, collective tactician, and effectively in charge of hiring and firing. That changes the coach-player relationship. But not entirely. Over the long term, the best way for a coach to win the support of his players is to convince them that he can help them to play better. Appealing to their rational self-interest is the most reliable way of getting athletes on side.
The problem, of course, is that helping players score more runs and take more wickets is a rare and difficult skill. It requires astute observation, tact, judgement, and a talent for clear exposition and metaphor. Good coaches are able to articulate the same point in many different ways - until, finally, one phrase or description clicks for the athlete. A great coach, then, has more in common with a teacher than a conventional boss or employee. Ultimately, his contribution is expressed through the sum total of the improvements he makes to his players.
I never met a sportsman who preferred failure to success, nor one who didn't suffer pain at disappointment. Rare is the modern sportsman who is indifferent about the chance to get better. In today's ultra-professional and highly disciplined era, the starting point for all coaches should be the presumption: these people want to get better, how can I help them?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/732387.html
It isn't Spurs specific but the approach does transcend sports in my opinion:
Wanted: mentors, not coaches
Elite sportsmen today don't lack motivation, nor do they need to be whipped into shape. What they need from their coaches is tact, judgement and clear speaking
Ed Smith
March 30, 2014
Imagine you are about to make a putt to win the Masters. The gallery is packed, millions are watching on TV, there is an eerie silence as the Georgia sun sets. You stand over a nasty ten-footer, the moment of truth. And then, at the peak of concentration, you see your coach jumping up and down, beating his chest, shouting at you, "Just don't miss! Put it in the hole! Show some guts! Don't back down now! Make bloody sure you don't bottle this one! What kind of man are you?"
Now imagine you are the first violinist, about to make your debut at the Royal Opera House. Just before the first chord, with the curtain about to rise, the conductor turns to you and whispers, "If you make a mistake today, any mistake at all, I'll stab you in the eye with my baton. Now let's play Don Giovanni with freedom and expressiveness!"
And how would you treat a surgeon about to conduct a life-saving operation on your wife or child? Would you threaten, bully and intimidate the doctor? Or would you try to avoid adding further anxiety to an already fraught situation? In all these three situations it is widely accepted that no sane coach, mentor or observer would seek to add to the anxiety or effort of the protagonist. It is taken as a given that the golfer, surgeon or musician is already trying hard enough - perhaps too hard.
And yet in most sporting contexts, the default position of coaches - and pundits who judge coaches in the media - is to assume that the problem afflicting a team or an individual player is usually caused by a lack of effort. If only players cared more, tried harder, felt disappointment more deeply. That sentiment, so widespread in sport, gives rise to the knee-jerk response: give them all a good bollocking; expect there will be plenty of strong words in the dressing room after that shot; wouldn't want to be standing near the manager at half-time.
We will soon look back on that view of how to improve professional athletes as comically old-fashioned, a cul-de-sac in the evolution of elite sport. After all, epic levels of discipline and commitment are non-negotiable if you want to survive as a professional sportsman today. The era of flabby, lazy athletes coasting through their careers while focusing more intently on hard living and nightclubs is pretty much over. Today's professional athletes are generally exceptionally disciplined, committed and determined. Given the scrutiny they face and the scientific testing of their bodies, there is no alternative. As a consequence, the "edge" - as gamblers describe the tiny opportunities for strategic advantage - will not reside in bullying and shouting at players but in honing their skills and freeing up their talents.
In most sporting contexts, the default position of coaches - and pundits who judge coaches in the media - is to assume that the problem afflicting a team or an individual player is usually caused by a lack of effort: if only players cared more, tried harder, felt disappointment more deeply
It is time to re-classify elite sport and stop seeing sportsmen as a rabble of unmotivated wastrels in search of a sergeant-major to whip them into shape. Athletes in highly skilled sports, in fact, have more in common with surgeons and violinists. They need mentors, wise advisors, trusted confidants. Consider the art of batsmanship. What kind of discipline is it? It requires touch, feel, finesse, trust, freedom, poise and balance. On a spectrum (with skill at one end and brute force at the other) batsmanship has more in common with playing a musical instrument than it does with punching someone in the face.
There is surprisingly little consensus about how to help elite performers to get better. Musicians, once they have reached the top, tend not to have full-time professional coaches. They rely instead on trusted mentors, people who might spot a tiny difference or lack of form. They refer to these mentors as their "outside ears", as top musicians admit that what they hear in their own heads can be different from the "real" music that reaches the audience. The mentor, though not in a position of authority over the artist, is able to see and hear with objective clarity. The relationship is based on trust not power.
Something similar - though it is called "coaching" - happens in many individual sports. In golf and tennis, the coach works for the athlete, not vice versa. This is not only a reflection of economic forces. When Roger Federer hired Stefan Edberg, he did not want the Swede to shout at him, "Try harder, Rog!" That would be useless, indeed counter-productive. Federer sought a new dimension to his net play, and Edberg, as the greatest volleyer of his generation, was asked to supply his unique perspective. The foundation of the relationship was knowledge and mutual respect.
In team sports, there is obviously a complication. The coach is usually the selector, collective tactician, and effectively in charge of hiring and firing. That changes the coach-player relationship. But not entirely. Over the long term, the best way for a coach to win the support of his players is to convince them that he can help them to play better. Appealing to their rational self-interest is the most reliable way of getting athletes on side.
The problem, of course, is that helping players score more runs and take more wickets is a rare and difficult skill. It requires astute observation, tact, judgement, and a talent for clear exposition and metaphor. Good coaches are able to articulate the same point in many different ways - until, finally, one phrase or description clicks for the athlete. A great coach, then, has more in common with a teacher than a conventional boss or employee. Ultimately, his contribution is expressed through the sum total of the improvements he makes to his players.
I never met a sportsman who preferred failure to success, nor one who didn't suffer pain at disappointment. Rare is the modern sportsman who is indifferent about the chance to get better. In today's ultra-professional and highly disciplined era, the starting point for all coaches should be the presumption: these people want to get better, how can I help them?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/732387.html
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Absolutely. The spineless pathetic nature of our performances this season are an absolute disgrace.
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would rather watch those in a spurs shirt than the effortless shower of shit i ve seen recently. At least they give everything every game
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Actually, he chose Sigurdsson over VDV, in a show of great man management told our most experienced player at a high level that he was behind Sigurdsson before Gylfi had even kicked a ball for us.
At the very least he could've told VDV he'd be in a fair fight for his place.
This came straight from VDV who said it was the reason he left.
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Okay didn't know that, but Siggy still not as good as VDV was
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I promised myself never to post again on here but 1 point of yours i just cant leave.....
'there's no magic bullet around.'
One of my favourite mixed metaphors of all time!
Magic wand or silver bullet nope its a Magic Bullet !! Love it
magic bullet
noun
: a drug or treatment that cures a disease quickly and easily without producing bad effects
: something that solves a difficult problem easily
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/magic+bullet
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Is TS still here?
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Yeah, I don't disagree with the sentiment of your post at all, but AVBs lack of nous in dealing with differing players and their characters is definitely something to consider when weighing him up.
It seems like utter stupidity to buy Sigurdsson and instantly tell VDV he is second choice in that race. The guy was a fan favourite, our most experienced guy, and someone with some pride. Even if you view it that way that you want Sig in the team over him, at least tell VDV he is in a fair fight for his place and is wanted ! Otherwise, you have instantly burnt your bridges with the player in needless fashion.
Will be till end of season.....
Has been told to calm down touchline antics thats why was in stands yesterday......
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Of course you could. Just ask 'Arry.....
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Maybe he could just go to the seaside on match days, in fact all days...hear Harry has a nice place
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Has he gone yet
He's frightening the junior spurs
Why? They all more likely to get a game now ;-)
michaelden
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Wasn't this a word created by people trying to talk about the Kennedy assassination?
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Read in reverse order, for me it's hard to disagree with the sentiment that we have some very good players that have been completely mismanaged by both board level and Tims tactical genius.
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 25m ago
11) and finally, what's the point of appointing a technical director when he seemingly had no influence in appointment of new manager?
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 25m ago
10) by appointing an inexperienced manager Spurs seemed to give up on £60-70 million worth of player investment after five months. Bizarre.
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago
9) as pointed out at the time of AVB sacking, why didn't Spurs go with a manager whose system would get the best out of the summer signings?
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago
8) but point is: with seemingly no clear plan, strategy or stability it's completely naive to expect new signings to prosper
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago
7) Soldado has become a problem, starting to look like a lost cause, but he'd profit from clearer structure to the attacking game
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 28m ago
6) I was unsure/unconvinced about Chadli and Capoue back then, but Chriches - if anything - has surprised me positively
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 28m ago
5) from the summer signings, I've seen enough of Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela (pre joining) to know that they'd strengthen Spurs significantly
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 29m ago
4) in such a context, how can one expect any new signings to flourish? I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 30m ago
3) which Spurs players have improved on last season? Townsend? Adebayor? Majority of the rest looking confused, unmotivated, out of sorts
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 30m ago
2) even players that performed well last season have had negative trend this term, which shows something's fundamentally wrong
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 31m ago
1) more than anything, there's been no basis for new (any) player to thrive this season. Unsettled environment, no clear structure post AVB
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 31m ago
Observations on Spurs (summer signings, coaching situation) coming up in multiple tweets, I apologise in advance for hijacking your feed
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 25m ago11) and finally, what's the point of appointing a technical director when he seemingly had no influence in appointment of new manager?
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 25m ago10) by appointing an inexperienced manager Spurs seemed to give up on £60-70 million worth of player investment after five months. Bizarre.
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago9) as pointed out at the time of AVB sacking, why didn't Spurs go with a manager whose system would get the best out of the summer signings?
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago8) but point is: with seemingly no clear plan, strategy or stability it's completely naive to expect new signings to prosper
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 27m ago7) Soldado has become a problem, starting to look like a lost cause, but he'd profit from clearer structure to the attacking game
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 28m ago6) I was unsure/unconvinced about Chadli and Capoue back then, but Chriches - if anything - has surprised me positively
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 28m ago5) from the summer signings, I've seen enough of Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela (pre joining) to know that they'd strengthen Spurs significantly
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 29m ago4) in such a context, how can one expect any new signings to flourish? I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 30m ago3) which Spurs players have improved on last season? Townsend? Adebayor? Majority of the rest looking confused, unmotivated, out of sorts
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 30m ago2) even players that performed well last season have had negative trend this term, which shows something's fundamentally wrong
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 31m ago1) more than anything, there's been no basis for new (any) player to thrive this season. Unsettled environment, no clear structure post AVB
Tor-Kristian Karlsen @karlsentk · 31m agoObservations on Spurs (summer signings, coaching situation) coming up in multiple tweets, I apologise in advance for hijacking your feed
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Read in reverse order, for me it's hard to disagree with the sentiment that we have some very good players that have been completely mismanaged by both board level and Tims tactical genius.
11) and finally, what's the point of appointing a technical director when he seemingly had no influence in appointment of new manager?
10) by appointing an inexperienced manager Spurs seemed to give up on £60-70 million worth of player investment after five months. Bizarre.
9) as pointed out at the time of AVB sacking, why didn't Spurs go with a manager whose system would get the best out of the summer signings?
8) but point is: with seemingly no clear plan, strategy or stability it's completely naive to expect new signings to prosper
7) Soldado has become a problem, starting to look like a lost cause, but he'd profit from clearer structure to the attacking game
6) I was unsure/unconvinced about Chadli and Capoue back then, but Chriches - if anything - has surprised me positively
5) from the summer signings, I've seen enough of Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela (pre joining) to know that they'd strengthen Spurs significantly
4) in such a context, how can one expect any new signings to flourish? I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way
3) which Spurs players have improved on last season? Townsend? Adebayor? Majority of the rest looking confused, unmotivated, out of sorts
2) even players that performed well last season have had negative trend this term, which shows something's fundamentally wrong
1) more than anything, there's been no basis for new (any) player to thrive this season. Unsettled environment, no clear structure post AVB
Observations on Spurs (summer signings, coaching situation) coming up in multiple tweets, I apologise in advance for hijacking your feed
Why rate 3 signings on what they did pre spurs then slate soldado who, pre spurs looked magnificent.
I'm not sticking up for soldado here, he's been fucking pony all season. Just think it's hypocritical.
