Sherwood has gone!

[Wsussexspur]

Oh like when Pardew call Pallagreni an old man or like when Pardrew headbutted a player and was subsequently banned.

.fine we get it you don't like Sherwood....but pls grow up.

Isn't it embarrassing that a manager like Pardew has better man management skills than Sherwood? Also if you have seen Sherwood behave on the touch line this season he is a another Pardew awaiting to happen. Sherwood has only been managing for 5 months and he has already had to impose a touch line ban on himself as he couldn't control his behaviour!

 

[FinnYid]

Isn't it embarrassing that a manager like Pardew has better man management skills than Sherwood?

Based on what? Subjective interpretation of public comments and how well they went down with mentioned players?

 

[spursfan77]

I feel,it's because the teams at the bottom are worse. A few teams are going to be a long way short of 40 points. Therefore more points at the top.

I argued many times that the 72 points quoted as proof that AVB was a good manager was poor logic, because every season the opposition is different. This season is a classic example, no one would consider saying 72 points was good this season, we have been awful and it's still possible.

And that's why I don't hold much sway in the points per game argument used to compare managers. A lot of the time it's who you beat and who you lose to. For example 2 defeats against arsenal is a lot worse than 2 defeats against stoke because we are in direct competition with 1 and not the other.

 

[markieboy]

Isn't it embarrassing that a manager like Pardew has better man management skills than Sherwood? Also if you have seen Sherwood behave on the touch line this season he is a another Pardew awaiting to happen. Sherwood has only been managing for 5 months and he has already had to impose a touch line ban on himself as he couldn't control his behaviour!

I hope you are not a policeman.

Why did you arrest this man?
I arrested him because he might headbutt someone sometime in the future.
You mean.....He hasn't actually done anything yet?
No............but you can't be too careful these days.

 

[hodsgod]

And that's why I don't hold much sway in the points per game argument used to compare managers. A lot of the time it's who you beat and who you lose to. For example 2 defeats against arsenal is a lot worse than 2 defeats against stoke because we are in direct competition with 1 and not the other.

I have used the ppg argument only against people telling me AVB was a good manager, not that I think Sherwood is good. To back that up, both managers were stuffed by City and Liverpool this season. Like I say, both poor.

 

[jolsnogross]

For example 2 defeats against arsenal is a lot worse than 2 defeats against stoke because we are in direct competition with 1 and not the other.

What are you on about? If you lose against mid-table and lower opposition, you wont be in competition with the top 5 or 6.

Some of the stuff in this thread takes the biscuit and maybe it should have been closed about 300 pages ago.

 

[sloth]

You started this reasonably CH, and then somehow managed to segue into something completely unrelated to what I said

Anyway, I'll take it in two parts:

First of all, it doesn't matter what you think of AVB but Adebayor admitted to voicing his disagreements with his footballing philosophy, first in private before yelling at him in front of other squad members. AVB was right to shut him out - you don't freakin' do that! No other manager in ANY league would stand for that level of dissent and disrespect, yet you expect AVB to? Ade then goes crying off to Sherwood (after being kicked down to the youth squad) and between them, orchestrated the ousting of AVB through back room bitching. And the result : Sherwood's in charge, Ade's a guaranteed starter and AVB's forced out. Mission freakin' accomplished.

I agree ade was totally out of order, and I know from personal experience how difficult it is when you have bolshie employees who play games and look at every turn to undermine you. I also know from personal experience, that if that employee is talented and a key man then, as operations manager, the MD really isn't interested in your problems, he wants you to find a solution, he's paying him a lot of money, often more than he's paying you, and it's your job to find a way to manage him, that's what he's paying you a lot of money for. Sometimes, however, I know there's simply no solution, the guy's poisonous and you need to get rid, in which case you identify a replacement and try and get him in.

In my opinion AVB chose to play with one little guy up top by himself. He decided that it was either Defoe or Soldado for that position. He decided he didn't want Benteke, and he decided that he didn't want any other big target man.

What we have now, is a Spurs team that plays crap football and wins through luck and moments of freak brilliance against weaker opposition, who (in nearly all cases) out-play us - even with 10 men. We have senior players who have publicly expressed their frustration with Sherwood, a man who picks his team on his personal preferences no matter how crap his favourites play in matches. A system where a hard-working, talented and loyal player like Holtby is shipped off sideways while one of our most respected players is publicly humiliated in a post-match interview.

So you'll excuse me if I have a fundamental disagreement with anybody who's actually happy with the way the club's being run and are deluded enough to think that the freak results against weaker teams somehow reflect the football we're playing. We need a real manager and need one fast.

I don't think we always play crap football, but the standard this season has been far below what it has previous one's. I can't remember many, if any, games I've really enjoyed watching. I think this was the case from the start of the season and has not changed much since. TS has made a tactical change and it's meant we've more of a puncher's chance, but our over all play has not improved. The fundamentals of this season, for me, are that a brand-new side, full of players from many different leagues is trying to adjust to a new league and to each other, meanwhile behind the scenes there's been disharmony between their manager and his employers which has spilled over onto the pitch in terms of stubborn team slections. then, half-way through the season that manager has been sacked and a whole new way of playing has been introduced, even more alien to many. this season we've been a dysfunctional club from top to bottom. the good news is that even as a dysfunctional club we've been good enough for 70 odd points, the squad is talented and full of potential, and in our case it's a case of finding a way to put the jigsaw together rather than it simply being a box full of the wrong pieces.

In terms of Sherwood, I think the fans have gone completely over the top in their criticisms, sure there's stuff not to like, but the vitriol and hate is insane, people are acting hysterical and they need a collective slap about the chops.

 

[Yid]

Eriksen has potential but overrated at moment in my view.

 

[mark timms]

I don't hate Sherwood as a person I just don't rate him as a man manager and a coach
How many games have we let in 1 or 2 early goals it must be 5 or 6 why hasn't he either trained them about this or got a specialist in to try and erase this problem?
The constant playing of bentelab when there's better players available for that position?
Sygi,chadli or paulihio are not DM's
All this ppg stuff doesn't paint a true picture of the over half a season with Tim in charge you have to take account of the comments,in interviews and the lack of cohesion and playing structure on the pitch
He just comes across as a man with his own agenda who doesn't care what he says

 

[spursfan77]

What are you on about? If you lose against mid-table and lower opposition, you wont be in competition with the top 5 or 6.

Some of the stuff in this thread takes the biscuit and maybe it should have been closed about 300 pages ago.

You're missing my point. Games against arsenal, Everton etc this season were "6 pointers".

 

[Spursidol]

You're missing my point. Games against arsenal, Everton etc this season were "6 pointers".

True - but only because we had beaten most of the lower PL sides to be close to level pegging with the top 6 sides.

Our record against the top 6 sides has been very poor this season whether under AVB or Sherwood

 

[Dr Know]

I just read a piece in the Metro and I don't know how true it is as I don't normally follow TS in the press.

It said on one that he already told the press that he won't be here next season (or something to that effect) but then complains that it's wrong for other managers touting for his job.

I don't always believe what I read in the press but I'm sure someone on here will clear that one up.................maybe eddie?

 

[Spursidol]

I don't hate Sherwood as a person I just don't rate him as a man manager and a coach
How many games have we let in 1 or 2 early goals it must be 5 or 6 why hasn't he either trained them about this or got a specialist in to try and erase this problem?
The constant playing of bentelab when there's better players available for that position?
Sygi,chadli or paulihio are not DM's
All this ppg stuff doesn't paint a true picture of the over half a season with Tim in charge you have to take account of the comments,in interviews and the lack of cohesion and playing structure on the pitch
He just comes across as a man with his own agenda who doesn't care what he says

Change the issues a little (inflexibility, doing nothing about Soldado being isolated in front, less than 1 goal/game scored in PL) and have a go at AVB too, change the issues again and have a go at Redknapp.....

Always something to hit a manager with.

Question is how to express a balanced view on the managers, where they have achieved some good points.

As @sloth says above, its been very unbalanced about Sherwood by some posters

 

[sloth]

Hate to scare some people on here, but Tim really does think he will be our manager next year.

Whatever he says publicly, I'm sure he knows privately he's blown it!

 

[knilly]

I don't hate Sherwood as a person I just don't rate him as a man manager and a coach
How many games have we let in 1 or 2 early goals it must be 5 or 6 why hasn't he either trained them about this or got a specialist in to try and erase this problem?
The constant playing of bentelab when there's better players available for that position?
Sygi,chadli or paulihio are not DM's
All this ppg stuff doesn't paint a true picture of the over half a season with Tim in charge you have to take account of the comments,in interviews and the lack of cohesion and playing structure on the pitch
He just comes across as a man with his own agenda who doesn't care what he says

What counts at the end of the season, points in the bag and goals scored for and against. We have scored more goals in the second half of the season, some feat considering the bore fests that we all hurumphed about under AVB. We have gained points that would see TS finish 4th since her took over. What do you people want? miracles I suppose. I've seen lists of what people want in a manager. Who exactly is out there that fits all the over exaggerated criteria that only a spurs fan would think possible.

The realty of it is spurs are a second tier club who have qualified for Europeans premier competition once in 50 years, and that manager wasn't good enough either, and derided for pointing out the obvious fact that it was as good as we ever had it. One man whoever it is will not make a difference. Time spent playing catch up with facilities and quality of youth getting to the first team will.

 

[Dr Know]

Whatever he says publicly, I'm sure he knows privately he's blown it!

The worst thing about it is, if he wasn't such a douche bag the fans would have supported him. Despite him being clueless with his tactics and selections, I think the fans would have given him more support taking into account that it's his first managerial position. We're not in a bad position and I feel that a good experienced manager could take us to a higher height with the talent we have.

 

[sloth]

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The worst thing about it is, if he wasn't such a douche bag the fans would have supported him. Despite him being clueless with his tactics and selections, I think the fans would have given him more support taking into account that it's his first managerial position. We're not in a bad position and I feel that a good experienced manager could take us to a higher height with the talent we have.

I don't agree that his tactics and selections have been clueless. A couple of notable times he got it totally wrong, the rest of the time his approach has been justifiable and rational even if on occasion I'd have done it differently. Basically we may not share a philosophy, but I accept he has a philosophy and it's coherent.

 

[mark timms]

Change the issues a little (inflexibility, doing nothing about Soldado being isolated in front, less than 1 goal/game scored in PL) and have a go at AVB too, change the issues again and have a go at Redknapp.....

Always something to hit a manager with.

Question is how to express a balanced view on the managers, where they have achieved some good points.

As @sloth says above, its been very unbalanced about Sherwood by some posters

It's not though the one thing I want more from levy and a manager is stability
Take the 3 managers you've mentioned and here's my view

Rednapp got us out of the mire that Ramos got us in to, played some great football and into the CL which I had great experiences in the San siro.
But ultimately he took his eye of the ball when he thought he had the England job but this was the third season in a row that we had a lull after Xmas look at qpr this season,also he let his mouth run away with him time after time and wouldn't rotate the squad

AVB steadied the ship made us a lot more stable at the back and had some great results against teams above us but what we gained in defence we lost in attack
Very good in interviews but seemed to stubborn the this season it seemed to have fallen apart from the season before

Sherwood my views are throughout this thread but he is similar to Harry in interviews he seems tactically inept, the players body language is awful, the job is to big for him at the moment

I hope Tim is sacked along with les and we keep Estefan and Ramsey BUT levy needs to stick with a manager for 3 seasons unless we are staining relegation in the face

 

[Spursidol]

The worst thing about it is, if he wasn't such a douche bag the fans would have supported him. Despite him being clueless with his tactics and selections, I think the fans would have given him more support taking into account that it's his first managerial position. We're not in a bad position and I feel that a good experienced manager could take us to a higher height with the talent we have.

Not sure that's true

The level of vitroil greeting him when he was announced as taking the first game after AVB left (ie before even being announced as manager) was excruciating, and when announced as manager threads announcing relegation and wholesale players leaving and generally the end of the world. All based upon his playing career with Spurs, him having supported Arsenal as a youth, and not being AVB....so based on nothing as nobody knew him

Just look back at a few of those threads - or don't if you want to stay sane !

 

[Stoof]

Not sure that's true

The level of vitroil greeting him when he was announced as taking the first game after AVB left (ie before even being announced as manager) was excruciating, and when announced as manager threads announcing relegation and wholesale players leaving and generally the end of the world. All based upon his playing career with Spurs, him having supported Arsenal as a youth, and not being AVB ... so based on nothing as nobody knew him

Just look back at a few of those threads - or don't if you want to stay sane !

Don't agree that people didn't know about Tim Sherwood or anything he got up to behind the scenes. Think that's a very broad brush you're using there mate.