Sherwood has gone!

[LexingtonSpurs]

Can anyone tell me what Sherwood's tactical philosophy is?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Can anyone tell me what Sherwood's tactical philosophy is?

I think that relies on there being one Sir, so good luck with this.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

So you have proof that this is what happened?

Do you bring anything to the debate/argument/conversation other than denying other peoples opinions that are based on reported stories or assessments of character from past incidents?

It would be 'nice' to hear your 'factual' account of what went on.

 

[SteveH]

In a poker game with Tim and Emmanuel - but you can also find out about this stuff from with a little googling. Complete with quotes too!

Do you bring anything to the debate/argument/conversation other than denying other peoples opinions that are based on reported stories or assessments of character from past incidents?

It would be 'nice' to hear your 'factual' account of what went on.

Oh! I thought we just did!

 

[Dinghy]

Do you bring anything to the debate/argument/conversation other than denying other peoples opinions that are based on reported stories or assessments of character from past incidents?

It would be 'nice' to hear your 'factual' account of what went on.

I have no idea what went on. Which is why I keep asking for someone to actually provide some real information rather than people frothing at the mouth and insisting that TS is a backstabbing gooner snake. The constant harping on is poisonous.

 

[B0NZ0]

I have no idea what went on. Which is why I keep asking for someone to actually provide some real information rather than people frothing at the mouth and insisting that TS is a backstabbing gooner snake. The constant harping on is poisonous.

Who gives a shit about what happened, quite frankly its in the past and no amount of going over it will help ease the 'paranoid brigade' who seem to hang on every word written in print as gospel. They're all big boys, and I'm certain had AVB won over a large proportion of the team he'd still be in the job, or maybe Levy is a gullible twat 'meh'.

I liked AVB but clearly something went massively wrong, he doesn't seem to be able to cope when things start going squiffy. I have my doubt about TS, mostly around openly criticising the team and picking Lennon, but then I can't say we've seen a serious dip in performance because of this.

I think TS has done exceptionally well given his level of experience, taking over a team halfway through a season, coping with a number of injuries and dealing with constant uncertainty about his position. Overall he's blooded youngsters and collected an impressive points haul and played some decent football (Bale apart, last year wasn't great). This does make me think what could happen with a decent pre-season under his belt and the addition of a one or two key positions. I also think whatever happens, we are looking at a transition year again before we will realistically challenge for a top four place. Either a signing (recent past or future) will have to click massively (thinking Lamella) or teams above us suffer somehow.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Can anyone tell me what Sherwood's tactical philosophy is?

Goalkeepers goalkeep
Defenders defend
Midfielders midfield
Attackers attack

 

[Nebby]

All presupposition? No. Ade was relegated to the reserves after being disrespectful to AVB in front of other players. Sherwood really did admit to feeling empathy towards Ade, who also admitted to feeling low. Sherwood REALLY did get put in charge, while Ade was quoted as saying he was given the keys to the club by Sherwood. By the way AVB was also forced out as a result. You know, you can take facts and formulate opinions based on them. So sure - there's a small presupposition on my part, but the evidentiary artefacts seem to support what I'm suggesting. What do you have to the contrary? Do you even have theory as to how it went down, or was this all down to 3 bad results?

A far more likely scenario is this: with the team struggling to score goals, AVB rather foolishly thought that Levy would interpret his decision to dump Adebayor - the club's highest paid player - as sound football management. Then, when he told Levy and Baldini that he wouldn't even consider reversing his decision, he effectively sealed his own fate.

 

[jolsnogross]

All presupposition? No. Ade was relegated to the reserves after being disrespectful to AVB in front of other players. Sherwood really did admit to feeling empathy towards Ade, who also admitted to feeling low. Sherwood REALLY did get put in charge, while Ade was quoted as saying he was given the keys to the club by Sherwood. By the way AVB was also forced out as a result. You know, you can take facts and formulate opinions based on them. So sure - there's a small presupposition on my part, but the evidentiary artefacts seem to support what I'm suggesting. What do you have to the contrary? Do you even have theory as to how it went down, or was this all down to 3 bad results?

Or maybe occam's razor is infinitely more plausible and AVB was sacked for persistently shitty football, undermined by horrendous shellackings, and compounded by alienating his employers. And Sherwood was hired because he was already at the club, and the candidates higher than him on the list were unavailable.

You had me coming around to the idea that AVB should have been given til the end of the season, with the caveat that if things remained as they were (cautious boring footy) he would deserve the sack. But now with these conspiratorial ramblings, I think you simply are a Sherwood basher and an AVB fan boy.

 

[King of Otters]

Can anyone tell me what Sherwood's tactical philosophy is?

Bentaleb.

 

[Kirito]

Goalkeepers goalkeep
Defenders defend
Midfielders midfield
Attackers attack

Its slightly edgier than that

Defenders defend
Attackers attack

And

Midfielders do a bit of both

#runaroundabit

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Its slightly edgier than that

Defenders defend
Attackers attack

And

Midfielders do a bit of both

#runaroundabit

Oooooh i like it!

He's a maverick, that man!

 

[TheGreenLily]

I have no idea what went on. Which is why I keep asking for someone to actually provide some real information rather than people frothing at the mouth and insisting that TS is a backstabbing gooner snake. The constant harping on is poisonous.

And Sherwood demeaning players in front of the national press and on TV is far more poisonous, than any personal thoughts of an individual on a football forum.

 

[Flashspur]

I am pretty conflicted right now. I've been reading the debates on here and can see good and bad points for both arguments. My main concern is the constant changes that are happening around the club. How much longer can we go on like this?

I really think that AVB and Tim have been given a job they were not ready for. AVB for all his experience in Portugul and with Chelsea wasnt the finished article and with more experience should have been able to cope with the issues he faced at Spurs.

It was then a huge risk for DL to appoint Sherwood as interim. Worst case scenario could have seen things go pear shaped quickly and us in a spiral heading into the lower half of the table. Clearly DL knew that Tim was up to to the role of caretaker and wouldnt blow things up. The big question for the Spurs hierachy as well as the fans then is 'what is he capable of?'.

Well we have seen some spirited performances and individual moments which have got us through tough games. We have also seen some really poor tactics, disjointed football and lack of team cohesion. We've also seen some terrible man management. His communication style has been honest and forthright but politically unsound a times. Can you give him the benefit of the doubt and put it down to lack of experience?

I think he's done a decent job. He has steadied the ship and kept the momentum going. His experiementing with team formations etc has shown some naevity but to be honest he worked through a period when we had a number of first teamers injured. I think in hindsight it would have been better off for Tim is he continued to learn his trade with the youth teams. For all his faults, I think he will be a good manager one day.

So who manages us next season? Van Gaal, De Boer etc all bring their own philosophy to the game. I dont expect that kind of an appointment to see us shooting the lights out in the first season. We will need to be patient with a transitional season before new coaching methods pay off. Irrespective, its going to be a major change for the players and the third manager in 12 months. This is a pretty disruptive way to manage a football club and a group of players.

Levy has to make the right decision this time. Its a critical juncture for us. You would expect this managerial appointment to see us through the Stadium construction period. Money will be tight and we need to make the most of the squad we have and youth resources.

I would not be surprised if Tim remains. DL may baulk at the risk of appointing another continental coach when push comes to shove.

From a fans perspective, whoever it is, we need to back him and keep him on through the next three to five seasons and stop changing managers for fun! And yes, that person could well be Tim Sherwood.

 

[Imnotacticalgenius]

Do you bring anything to the debate/argument/conversation other than denying other peoples opinions that are based on reported stories or assessments of character from past incidents?

It would be 'nice' to hear your 'factual' account of what went on.

He is like a classic case of a facilitator in a debate.....who already knows what he wants or what he wants to hear (others opinion does not matter to him)......usually these sort of facilitator would keep asking leading questions, until he (facilitator) is satisfied and would then sum up all the points in a summary........for our friend here, he would also ask questions (put the ball into our court).....with hoping that we would trip and contradict ourselves. If he really wants to debate, he would put his motions with facts and datas to refute those claims that TS and Ade had a hand in AVB leaving the club.

 

[sloth]

What I provided was an explanation of my take on the events, all of which can be looked up except in two or three areas which I even indicated as theory based on data from multiple sources. While it's possible to read between the lines, in this case things seemed pretty clear to me. How about you put your cute 2+2=5 analogy to the test - what exactly was said that you don't think adds up?

By the way, forcing AVB out was a bozo move for the long term success of the club, so yes I'm a little pissed about that still! My beef is with the rogue faction that has taken over club just like when the Bush Administration took over my country through foul play. There, I hope that gives you more ammo to use!

You have concocted a story to string the facts into a fantasy necklace. The question is why? The conjecture itself is based, as you admit, on very little, a bit of ITK and... well that appears to be it. the truth is none of us have any idea what went on behind the scenes, which leaves us free, if we wish, to paint whatever prejudice we desire upon the events which occurred. That you decide that Sherwood is guilty of a despicable act, based on such flimsy conjecture, says it all for me.

If I'm wrong, show me not the facts of what happened - of those we're all aware - but instead the evidence on which your judgement that Sherwood acted in a despicable way relies.

 

[sloth]

And we had an exceptionally good defensive record outside two hammerings by two sides that hammered everyone else too.

So the argument is that if we leave out the 6-0, 0-5, 0-3 hammerings we'd have only conceded 7 goals in 13 matches? And if we take away Sherwood's three biggest hammerings we'd have only conceded 15 goals in 17! And in the first case, under AVB our GD would have been +8, while under TS it would have been +21.

Basically you can't cherry pick results and say if you ignore those the defensive record was good. The only picture worth a fig statistically speaking is the biggest possible.

But let's ignore the statistics for a minute, clearly there was something wrong with the side, we actually started the season quite well, but rather than improving, our play was getting more and more constipated, imo we did not have the strikers to make his favoured style viable, he did have other options but didn't reach for them.

None of which means he should have been sacked for merely what had happened on the pitch.

 

[sloth]

So Ade gets relegated to the reserves/youth squad in which Sherwood is in charge and doesn't bitch and moan about his treatment, despite reporting how low and disrespected he felt to the press. Sherwood, reported being practically heartbroken at the treatment of Ade, after he was sent to him. Next thing we know is that Sherwood is installed as manager, while Ade gets given the keys to the club and carte blanche by Sherwood to do whatever he wants and AVB is out.

For you to suggest that at any point Sherwood either leapt to the defence of AVB in the interest of the club, or said "Duh... okay, I'll take over if that's what you want, Mr. Levy but please tell me why..." sounds like more of a stretch to me... By the way, after all of this, Sherwood states in a post match that he didn't know why Ade was left out by AVB.. Jeez Louise!

Forget 2+2=5, the real equation here is: Ade+Sherwood=-AVB! And you don't think there was any undermining whatsoever by all parties? Get real.

Basically you made it up?

 

[sloth]

In a poker game with Tim and Emmanuel - but you can also find out about this stuff from with a little googling. Complete with quotes too!

Do it then!

 

[sloth]

He is like a classic case of a facilitator in a debate.....who already knows what he wants or what he wants to hear (others opinion does not matter to him)......usually these sort of facilitator would keep asking leading questions, until he (facilitator) is satisfied and would then sum up all the points in a summary........for our friend here, he would also ask questions (put the ball into our court).....with hoping that we would trip and contradict ourselves. If he really wants to debate, he would put his motions with facts and datas to refute those claims that TS and Ade had a hand in AVB leaving the club.

Rubbish. The argument isn't between two people, one who says this happened, the other that, the argument is that people are deciding what to believe based on unsubstantiated bullshit.