Sherwood has gone!

[Mullers]

I can see Bobby back in Spain with the new club taking on some of the hurdle money contractually. I cant see him with us next season.

He deserves another season with the right coach, whoever that might be.

 

[sloth]

A club our size wants to be in the CL and we are competing with clubs that will and have spent that money. Either we appoint a coach and trust him to do the job and let him do the job or we don't. If we don't, Levy should not expect CL football.

We appoint a coach to do his job which is to coach, pick and manage the first team, to also work with the DoF and youth team coaches in bringing youngsters through, and to provide input and advice when signing new players or selling old ones. We don't employ him to throw his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his way, to only think about number one, to ignore the youth team coaches, to fight with other members of the club's management, to cold-shoulder signings that weren't directly his choice, whilst 'play favourites' with those who were, nor to brief the media against the club. If he does too much of what we don't employ him to do, and not enough of what we do employ him to do, then the club will suffer, there won't be progress on the pitch and therefore we have to get rid of him and try and employ someone who does live up to the job's remit.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

He deserves another season with the right coach, whoever that might be.

Hopefully the new coach will be given the option of whether he wants to persevere with him or not.

 

[sloth]

It's not chucking money about though, it's getting in a player which the coach wants. We spent 5 million on Dempsey the following season he's gone. What good is that. People keep saying we can't chuck money around like Chelsea but yet we expect the new coach to compete with Chelsea and get CL and if he doesn't do it within a few seasons, he's gone.

I disagree with your assessment of both what we require of a coach and also the reasons why we sack them.

 

[sloth]

In my opinion, the point is that as long as Levy thinks he knows how best to spend money over and above the manager (and I'm not talking about him not spending enough, the money was there and it was spent) then our chances of success can only be luck based.

Why?

 

[only1waddle]

It's not chucking money about though, it's getting in a player which the coach wants. We spent 5 million on Dempsey the following season he's gone. What good is that. People keep saying we can't chuck money around like Chelsea but yet we expect the new coach to compete with Chelsea and get CL and if he doesn't do it within a few seasons, he's gone.

It shouldn't be solely about the amount, it is about the type of player we buy and how they fit into a coaches plans, then we can look at Levy and have a few issues with transfer policy, as to me it seems we veer more towards a player exchange (Holtby being a prime example) at times.
Wenger has proved it is not about the amount you spend but good solid coaching and fitting players into his style/philosophy, all while building a stadium and selling their top talent.

 

[Mullers]

We appoint a coach to do his job which is to coach, pick and manage the first team, to also work with the DoF and youth team coaches in bringing youngsters through, and to provide input and advice when signing new players or selling old ones.

We didn't have a DOf in AVB's first season, even though he asked for one.

We don't employ him to throw his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his way, to only think about number one, to ignore the youth team coaches, to fight with other members of the club's management, to cold-shoulder signings that weren't directly his choice, whilst 'play favourites' with those who were, nor to brief the media against the club. If he does too much of what we don't employ him to do, and not enough of what we do employ him to do, then the club will suffer, there won't be progress on the pitch and therefore we have to get rid of him and try and employ someone who does live up to the job's remit.

Which coach did those things?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Why?

Because it's just random.

You're not buying players to fit a system or to suit the needs of the club, you're buying them because they appear to be a good deal.

 

[sloth]

It's not chucking money about though, it's getting in a player which the coach wants. We spent 5 million on Dempsey the following season he's gone. What good is that. People keep saying we can't chuck money around like Chelsea but yet we expect the new coach to compete with Chelsea and get CL and if he doesn't do it within a few seasons, he's gone.

In fact I think it's you who has the unreasonable expectations that we should compete with Chelsea and get CL every season even though we don't have their money and that because we're not doing so more regularly therefore our Chairman should fall on his sword.

 

[Mullers]

In fact I think it's you who has the unreasonable expectations that we should compete with Chelsea and get CL every season even though we don't have their money and that because we're not doing so more regularly therefore our Chairman should fall on his sword.

So Levy doesn't expect us to compete with Chelsea for a CL place?

 

[Revan1882]

He deserves another season with the right coach, whoever that might be.

I don't think coaching really has much to do with Soldado missing like he does, for me he probably will be sold and I hope to be honest we can than get someone else in.... its not like they could do much worse.

 

[E17yid]

So Levy doesn't expect us to compete with Chelsea for a CL place?

I would have thought he'd expect us to compete for 4th but more to challenge Arsenal than Chelsea

 

[mattyspurs]

We appoint a coach to do his job which is to coach, pick and manage the first team, to also work with the DoF and youth team coaches in bringing youngsters through, and to provide input and advice when signing new players or selling old ones. We don't employ him to throw his toys out of the pram if he doesn't get his way, to only think about number one, to ignore the youth team coaches, to fight with other members of the club's management, to cold-shoulder signings that weren't directly his choice, whilst 'play favourites' with those who were, nor to brief the media against the club. If he does too much of what we don't employ him to do, and not enough of what we do employ him to do, then the club will suffer, there won't be progress on the pitch and therefore we have to get rid of him and try and employ someone who does live up to the job's remit.

Bang on Slothster. I remember the summer that AvB had joined and the ITK coming out that he had reportedly thrown his toys out the pram because he couldn;t get his way with signings, Surely he came into the club knowing what his brief was? Knowing that he would have input on transfer dealings, but it would not only be down to him and his choices?

I'm pretty sure that Levy would have explained this at the interview stage? Because transfer talk would have been a big part of the discussions I would have thought. I do think that Levy messed around with the Moutinho deal, but we still don't know what happened for definate. Some reports are saying that Porto increased the price at the last minute? No club is going to stand for that.

I'm with you, I do actually for once think that AvB leaving the club was mutual. He didn't seem happy here for quite some time and i think was happy to go in the end.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

This thread will get to 100 pages. 50 more before the end of Sunday and then 150 by the time we've all calmed down after the excitement of him being sacked

 

[Revan1882]

Spot on. Time and again we've bought players because they're a deal rather than because they suit the squad.

This might be true, but VDV was a deal. Harry didn't really want him or ever talked about getting him that was Levy. Yes he does chance his arm, but like VDV and I am hoping Holtby getting a player for a great deal can work. I do understand that just getting a player in for the sake of it is a issue and Levy needs to trust the Head Coach more, but sometimes I think he is just trying his best to get what the Mangers want.

I do think we seem to buy players to stop others getting them, Sig and Dempsey spring to mind. Just they we worth a try given their price and if they had worked out better we would be celebrating Levy. Like we should be doing with the signing of VDV which people seem to forget was a Levy signing and had nothing to do with HR.

 

[Eric_s]

Not sure why those berate Tim and Les for our performances give Chris such an easy ride. The three clearly work closely together and Tim listens to Chris at least as much as he does to Les, so Chris has to take some hefty responsibility for what we see on the pitch.

Presumably he gets let of lightly because he is protected by the magical talisman of a UEFA pro licence.

What evidence do you have to support your supposition that tim listened to ramsey's opinions?

 

[Mullers]

I would have thought he'd expect us to compete for 4th but more to challenge Arsenal than Chelsea

There are usually 4 teams competing for a CL place, Chelsea, Man City, United and Arsenal. Usually it will come down to us and Arsenal but can't always make that assumption.

 

[Mullers]

Bang on Slothster. I remember the summer that AvB had joined and the ITK coming out that he had reportedly thrown his toys out the pram because he couldn;t get his way with signings, Surely he came into the club knowing what his brief was? Knowing that he would have input on transfer dealings, but it would not only be down to him and his choices?

I'm pretty sure that Levy would have explained this at the interview stage? Because transfer talk would have been a big part of the discussions I would have thought. I do think that Levy messed around with the Moutinho deal, but we still don't know what happened for definate. Some reports are saying that Porto increased the price at the last minute? No club is going to stand for that.

I'm with you, I do actually for once think that AvB leaving the club was mutual. He didn't seem happy here for quite some time and i think was happy to go in the end.

I'm pretty sure that if was told he was going to have to get a CL place with Dembele as a replacement for Modric and Dempsey who was sold the next season, he would have walked out at the interview stage.

 

[mattyspurs]

I'm pretty sure that if was told he was going to have to get a CL place with Dembele as a replacement for Modric and Dempsey who was sold the next season, he would have walked out at the interview stage.

Maybe, but whether or not we tried hard enough for Moutinho, we did try and get him, and by all accounts were going up to £24m, but whoever you believe, well I know who you beleive , Porto upped the price to £28m. Then you still epxect us to spend £34 on Willian as well? Again, whatever you believe, ITK reports were saying that AvB was showing Willian around the training ground without permission. If that was true, I wouldn't have gone for him either.

Anyway, we will never know the truth so it's pointless, just like a broken pencil

 

[FinnYid]

What evidence do you have to support your supposition that tim listened to ramsey's opinions?

What evidence you have that he doesn't? Seeing they knew each other rather well before 1st team stint and had worked together on youth level, reckon Rambo wouldn't be part of 1st team set up if Sherwood didn't held him in high regard. As for logic that he doesn't listen, well stage is yours.