Sherwood has gone!

[sloth]

Because it's just random.

You're not buying players to fit a system or to suit the needs of the club, you're buying them because they appear to be a good deal.

I think we're talking slightly at cross purposes, nevertheless i disagree with your premise that, "In my opinion, the point is that as long as Levy thinks he knows how best to spend money over and above the manager" I think that Levy is aware that while as well as the immediate future, he has concerns for the long term success of the club, how to build a football stadium, how to generate the funds for new players, how to find and develop players for the future, a manager, whatever he says, will tend to have one eye on his own career and thus push for things which make a difference now, even if they may not be best of the longer term. This is why there is a committee where more than one set of interests and expertise can be brought to bear and hopefully decisions reached collectively. This is not therefore random, but choices encompass more than the typical single set of priorities of a manager.

 

[E17yid]

Well Tim it will be a good start (whatever job you get next) not to say how you hope their rivals do really well. For example, if you manage Fulham, it might be a good idea not to say "I love chelsea I hope they do really well" that way you might get off on the right foot with the fans.

Ohh yeah and 2 interchangable box to box midfielders is not the one, especially against the top sides. Ohh yeah, when you make a mistake and you don't want to admit it was your fault, don't blame the players and slag off your employer. Just a thought. Now kindly fuck off

 

[parklane1]

He deserves another season with the right coach, whoever that might be.

I agree with that, but i do think he will be heading back to Spain.

 

[EastLondonYid]

This thread will get to 100 pages. 50 more before the end of Sunday and then 150 by the time we've all calmed down after the excitement of him being sacked

Levy probably wanted him sacked weeks ago, he didn't pull the trigger mainly due to the fact it would have made himself look like a right cock, or should i say an even bigger cock then employing him in the first place.

I would imagine DL wants tomorrow to come even more than we do.

 

[parklane1]

So Levy doesn't expect us to compete with Chelsea for a CL place?

I am sure he does, but then so do a lot of fans of the club do. Its called ambition but the problem is Chelski can afford to do it far more/easier then we can.

 

[RuskyM]

All you lot saying get rid of Townsend & Lennon need to think of our british quota.

I understand wanting Lennon out, but Townsend covers home grown and is perfectly acceptable rotation, Livermore, Rose & Naughton'd be decent backup too. Then we have Sigurdsson, Dawson, Walker, Kane to battle for first team places.

 

[thinktank]

All you lot saying get rid of Townsend & Lennon need to think of our british quota.

I understand wanting Lennon out, but Townsend covers home grown and is perfectly acceptable rotation, Livermore, Rose & Naughton'd be decent backup too. Then we have Sigurdsson, Dawson, Walker, Kane to battle for first team places.

Bring through Fredericks...and that's lennon gone for starters.

 

[Drexl]

All you lot saying get rid of Townsend & Lennon need to think of our british quota.

I understand wanting Lennon out, but Townsend covers home grown and is perfectly acceptable rotation, Livermore, Rose & Naughton'd be decent backup too. Then we have Sigurdsson, Dawson, Walker, Kane to battle for first team places.

Its unfortunate that our English people - Rose, Dawson, Naughton, Lennon, Townsend are our most useless players

 

[RuskyM]

Its unfortunate that our English people - Rose, Dawson, Naughton, Lennon, Townsend are our most useless players

More of an indictment of our scouting and development than anything else tbh

 

[Bus-Conductor]

My view, for what it's worth, is as follows.

I think AVB got sacked for behind the scenes stuff, I think he maybe even wanted to be sacked, but in truth it's something we'll never know. I certainly think AVB felt disillusioned with the club, first we missed out on Moutinho - who he desperately wanted - it seems thanks to Levy's hard-ball negotiating, then this summer we also failed to get Willian, we refused to go for his targets such as Hulk (with good reason most of the time), and yet we splashed out tens of millions on other targets. I think AVB felt he had to battle for every one of his signings, whilst money was willing to be spent in vast quantities on players he didn't really want. I think he was partly right, but he was also too precious and should have bought into a team ethos, not only in terms of his squad - of whom he was the leader - but also the club for which he was only one of the leaders. I think that his desire to fight and win these battles behind the scenes, led to tactical stubbornness on the pitch, which harmed the club. I don't think he could bring himself to swallow his pride and do what was required, and once the relationship had broken down to the extent it had, plus performances on the pitch were starting to slide - at least in part because of his stubborness - then all parties realised it was time for him to go.

I think this is like a good fictional story, a lot of bollocks woven round some crumbs of truth. I would have liked there to have been cohesion throughout the club and for all parties to be singing from the same philosophy hymn sheet, but knowing Levy and now knowing more about Sherwood I really can't blame AVB for that not being the case. Within weeks of arriving we have Sherwood confronting AVB and them falling out (knowing what we do now, I can imagine how that happened) and we have ITK that Levy pretended to sign the man he'd promised AVB he'd sign. So much for encouraging harmony eh ?

I can't think of too many managers that aren't strong in self belief and belief in their own methods. They have to be. I think within that AVB was flexible in who he picked showing no favouritism and trying to run an egalitarian system, even if that meant putting the best paid player (and probably most talented) at the club in his place and out of the team.

I certainly don't think his methods were harming us, and I don't think performances were suffering in general, we just came across a couple of exceptional teams who have done the same to others - and have since done the same to us again, sans AVB. We have found ourselves weak in a particular area of the pitch - defence.

Onto Sherwood, having lost a manager mid-way through the season, Levy then tried to secure the best men for the job, but when they weren't available he was in a dilemma, with slim-pickings to choose from and a knowledge that the summer is the time when managers begin their merry-go-round, then Levy probably thought this was the time to give a go to someone he'd been impressed with for quite a while. It wasn't ideal, but if Sherwood was every going to get an opportunity to prove himself then this was it. It was definitely a gamble, but what wasn't given the circumstance? And the potential up was far greater than the potential down. Needless to say the gamble didn't pay off, Sherwood has shown his qualities, but also all his failings, fortunately it's not been a complete disaster, and we may even get EL next season.

I think this is more accurate. But a very sneaky dark side of me wonders of Levy didn't see a way of killing two birds with one stone, having realised that Sherwood and his personality/ambition/talent imbalance was becoming a problem. But, like your first paragraph, that is probably more fiction.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

All you lot saying get rid of Townsend & Lennon need to think of our british quota.

I understand wanting Lennon out, but Townsend covers home grown and is perfectly acceptable rotation, Livermore, Rose & Naughton'd be decent backup too. Then we have Sigurdsson, Dawson, Walker, Kane to battle for first team places.

I believe Bentaleb will qualify as home grown after this summer. Carroll (who i am not entirely sold on personally) would qualify as well.

Then of course it would depend on who we brought in, which could offset any movement in the roster in terms of English players.

On top of that, realistically we would only need 8 for the Europa league. In the PL we can only have a max of 17 foreign players (which we don't currently have) and then English players.

 

[Lufti]

Seems like the media team aren't fans either:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/tottenham-media-team-again-twitter-204753727.html

1saqme1 ?

 

[guiltyparty]

Seems like the media team aren't fans either:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/tottenham-media-team-again-twitter-204753727.html

1saqme1 ?

We're on a PR roll at the moment

 

[Revan1882]

This thread will get to 100 pages. 50 more before the end of Sunday and then 150 by the time we've all calmed down after the excitement of him being sacked

After the sacking you'll probably get 50 more with some very happy and the rest having a go because they are happy

If you believe Redknapp (easier said than done, I know) then we'd enquired about Rafa at the start of that window and been quoted a price upwards of £20m so backed off. We then got the call at the end of the window and the rest is history...

Don't really believe much that comes out of his mouth, he might be saying that now but never said anything like that when we bought him.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Seems like the media team aren't fans either:

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/tottenham-media-team-again-twitter-204753727.html

1saqme1 ?

That is worse than the Liverpool trolling and again I can't stop laughing

 

[thinktank]

That is worse than the Liverpool trolling and again I can't stop laughing

But much funnier.

 

[mattyspurs]

This is the interesting thing about the AVB fallout. Of course we don't know what was said during the process of the appointment but it seems reasonable to suppose as you have above that things were explained. So did AVB not understand what the deal was, or was the deal changed, perhaps at the last minute, with some new clauses, some promises made but not kept? It's not the first time we've seen the situation come about.

I'm not anti-Levy by any stretch of the imagination, I think he's done a fantastic job as chairman in dragging us back to where we belong. But I'm becoming concerned that his apparent increased intervention in football matters is to the detriment of the club.

I completely agree, and it was all supposition on my part, but I understand that Levy can be a slippery motherfucker, but would he really change the goalposts that much, so quickly?

 

[Mullers]

I agree with that, but i do think he will be heading back to Spain.

He won't be going anywhere if Levy doesn't get a sizeable chunk of the fee back. I think Soldado himself would want to give it one more season, I'm sure he doesn't want to be known as someone who failed in English football.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

He won't be going anywhere if Levy doesn't get a sizeable chunk of the fee back. I think Soldado himself would want to give it one more season, I'm sure he doesn't want to be known as someone who failed in English football.

I would agree that pride could certainly affect Soldado's decision but he is rumored to Atleti and i think Simeone and a CL finalist team would carry a pretty hefty amount of weight to it as well.

The issue with Atleti is that they are up to their eyes in debt even with CL payouts and they are certainly going to try to bring Coutois back in....would they have enough cash to pay for Soldado even if we did sell him at any sort of discount?

 

[sloth]

I think this is like a good fictional story, a lot of bollocks woven round some crumbs of truth. I would have liked there to have been cohesion throughout the club and for all parties to be singing from the same philosophy hymn sheet, but knowing Levy and now knowing more about Sherwood I really can't blame AVB for that not being the case. Within weeks of arriving we have Sherwood confronting AVB and them falling out (knowing what we do now, I can imagine how that happened) and we have ITK that Levy pretended to sign the man he'd promised AVB he'd sign. So much for encouraging harmony eh ?

I can't think of too many managers that aren't strong in self belief and belief in their own methods. They have to be. I think within that AVB was flexible in who he picked showing no favouritism and trying to run an egalitarian system, even if that meant putting the best paid player (and probably most talented) at the club in his place and out of the team.

I certainly don't think his methods were harming us, and I don't think performances were suffering in general, we just came across a couple of exceptional teams who have done the same to others - and have since done the same to us again, sans AVB. We have found ourselves weak in a particular area of the pitch - defence.



I think this is more accurate. But a very sneaky dark side of me wonders of Levy didn't see a way of killing two birds with one stone, having realised that Sherwood and his personality/ambition/talent imbalance was becoming a problem. But, like your first paragraph, that is probably more fiction.

I think it could be a lot of bollocks woven around some crumbs of truth. I agree that it's only my opinion and as such speculation and I certainly wouldn't stake a hell of a lot on it being true, but i might stake something.