Shoddy transfer business

[Rabbi_Krustofski]

What a shoddy display by our club in This transfer window. I'm embarrassed.
It's not about getting players in before the window shuts, it's about getting them over preseason and allowing them to integrate into the squad BEFORE the season starts.
We've been absolute rubbish, again. Don't even give me the 'be patient' responses. The season has begun and we haven't done a thing to build on last year (don't even try and include that 40 year old in the equation)
Someone at the club is responsible, team levy or redknapp, I don't know, but things haven't been run correctly somehow, that's for sure.
Accept that we're not a champions league club anymore and stop trying to go for targets that are unrealistic. What a waste of time.
I can understand that someone like Everton haven t done any business either, because their skint! We're rolling in it (hence the massive aguero bid that time). I hate all the crap redknapp has been saying all summer about needing to sign to stay among the top crop, as though it's none of his responsibility and all levy's. It's a complete joke at the moment!

 

[Pedro]

You can also include the previous 2 windows (VDV aside) for really missing an opportunity to maintain our top 4 status and failing to replace Berbatov...still waiting! We have a great chance of finishing above arse and scousers this year even with just one striker through the door. Still time, but as you say we should have got one in before preseason. All will be forgiven IF we sign someone world class before the deadline, its a really risky game though. At this point only an eto'o, adebayor, benzema or maybe llorente will do.

 

[Knarf44]

Part of the problem is the reluctance of other clubs to take our deadwood and therefore release funds. This'll probably continue until the last week of the TW when we're going to end up having to all but give away some players if we want rid of them.

Can nobody else see that as players salaries increase they actually severely limit the number of clubs that can afford to buy them. It'll end up with the best players only able to play for about 5-6 Clubs at most.

 

[Spurs Man]

Why haven't we been able to clear the deadwood though?! I'm far from happy with Redknapp and make it known but surely Levy is to blame here.

For example - Stoke came in for Crouch and Palacios for £18M and as far as I know it's been refused?! Eek £9M each is a great price considering their recent form / age. Stoke made it known as their final bid and now going for Bentner for £8M. :shrug: It may come off for Levy and he negotiates £1M-£2M extra but more than likely we miss a deal and given our current position this surely isn't wise?!

 

[KevinW]

I have for some time now had the impression that Levy's approach to transfers is more about his own ego and squeezing the best out of a deal , rather than finding a compromise where both sides are happy and in the in the footballing interests of the club. He just does not get it that a million or so off the price is largely irrelevant if it means getting the right player to move the club forward

 

[3Dnata]

I don't know what it would take for this window to be a sucess.
Llorente would be my favourite choice but there'd be problems if anyone came in now.
I suppose Adebayor on loan isthe most likely thing to happen but the best that gets from me is a meh.
If something isn't sorted very soon and we don't look like an ambitious club then holdong onto Modric, Bale, VDV and Sandro is going to be very difficult.
If we try at the last moment to do big signings as in thejanuary window it won't look very convincing.

 

[Donki]

Another thread on this, really? BORING!

 

[Khilari]

Another thread on this, really? BORING!

i see nothing wrong with a member being allowed to vent their frustrations on a spurs chat forum. there's no compulsion to read it.

 

[StartingPrice]

Another thread on this, really? BORING!

Ecactly.

i see nothing wrong with a member being allowed to vent their frustrations on a spurs chat forum. there's no compulsion to read it.

1) All they EVER do is vent their frustrations, in every thread they can find or invent.
2) How about this for an idea: WAIT UNTIL THE TRANSFER WINDOW CLOSES AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER OUR TRANSFER ACTIVITY HAS BEEN A SUCCESS OF NOT:bang::bang::bang:

That is why posters like Donki feel the need to respond the way they do.

 

[brett.spurs]

Well you're missing the point SP.

 

[3Dnata]

I'm not sure there isanother thread on this.It is in the opening post why he's not waiting till the end of the window.

 

[StartingPrice]

Well you're missing the point SP.

No, I'm really not, Brett.
I understand some folk are frustrated (so am I).
I understand they would like to have had the transfer business done early in the window (so would I).
I understand some folk would be happy to break our wage structure to sign a top striker (I think that would be disastrous).
I understand some folk would like Levy to take a hit on some players to clear the dead wood (but think that would be disastrous).
I understand some folk feel we didn't do enough, or invent a conspiracy to aco**** for our lack of activity, during the January TW (though I have dealt at length as to why I think that is unreasonable).
I understand some folk believe they knew last Summer that we needed a new striker (I said at the start of the Summer that we should get a shiny new striker. But I DO NOT BELIEVE anyone knew how poorly our strikers would perform - that is just projecting; and keep reminding folk not to focus on his title, that is semantics, the fact is VDV occupies the place of a striker - so technically we did buy a striker last Summer).

I understand all of these things...I just do not agree with any of them, and I just point blank cannot see that our transfer dealings have been a disaster this Summer. It could well transpire that, when the window closes, they have been - but that ain't happened yet. And, quite frankly, I think anyone who wants to indulge in this boo hoo poor us talk, now, should publicly admit that they are cretins, and wear a bill-board to the same effect, if Levy pulls of any transfer coups that they are excited about, or even moderately strengthens the squad.

You dig, brotha?

 

[sloth]

What a shoddy display by our club in This transfer window. I'm embarrassed.
It's not about getting players in before the window shuts, it's about getting them over preseason and allowing them to integrate into the squad BEFORE the season starts.
We've been absolute rubbish, again. Don't even give me the 'be patient' responses. The season has begun and we haven't done a thing to build on last year (don't even try and include that 40 year old in the equation)
Someone at the club is responsible, team levy or redknapp, I don't know, but things haven't been run correctly somehow, that's for sure.
Accept that we're not a champions league club anymore and stop trying to go for targets that are unrealistic. What a waste of time.
I can understand that someone like Everton haven t done any business either, because their skint! We're rolling in it (hence the massive aguero bid that time). I hate all the crap redknapp has been saying all summer about needing to sign to stay among the top crop, as though it's none of his responsibility and all levy's. It's a complete joke at the moment!

Here's what I think:

1. The better the team the harder it is to find players who are better than what you already have.

2. We're not rich and we want to comply the FFP rules, we haven't the cash to spunk on super-star wages.

3. Harry Redknapp's a lazy fucker. He doesn't and never has had the will to do the hard miles an the extra work a top manager does (SAF is first in the door at Carrington every morning at 6am). He also believes a lot in gut instinct, he's openly admitted he's superstitious and he makes no bones about the fact he believes the only way to be successful his to match the spending of those clubs above us. This means he's unwilling to the hard-graft identifying less well known players takes.

4. Harry Redknapp is in it for himself. He won't care if we have an average season as long as he can blame someone else for it. He wants the England job. That's it. If he can make out he's done as well as he could in difficult circumstances then he's happy. In some ways not getting players in is an easier excuse to the press than having the players and trying to win something. Especially if those players we might get in are not the super-stars. In that situation he would not be able to say he hasn't been backed, but he still wouldn't be sure they'd improve the side's chances.



What we need is a manager who believes he can have success with us despite our budget. Who wants to be here for the long-term and who will build a team with that in mind. We need someone who works hard, pays attention to detail and can identify players from lesser leagues and not be afraid to bring them in. We need someone who doesn't get in the excuses first. And we need someone who will work with his boss not against him.

All that said, we're not in a terrible position, we retain most of the team which the season before last was taking the likes of Chelsea to the cleaners, our strikers though terrible last year, can play much better, especially Defoe. Sandro is a season on and looks a real prospect. VdV has had a pre-season behind him and better prepared for the way the game's played in England. Last but not least, I'm certain we will get a striker in and if it's someone of the calibre of Adebayour then we've every chance of doing well this year.

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm not sure there isanother thread on this.It is in the opening post why he's not waiting till the end of the window.

I know it is...I still think it is way too previous...and dealing in a delusional fantasy World where deals are easy to accomplish, finances don't need to be carefully managed, and someone has to be to blame if I don't get what I want when I want it (I'll hold my breath until I fall down).

 

[sloth]

I have for some time now had the impression that Levy's approach to transfers is more about his own ego and squeezing the best out of a deal , rather than finding a compromise where both sides are happy and in the in the footballing interests of the club. He just does not get it that a million or so off the price is largely irrelevant if it means getting the right player to move the club forward

The only way the club can increase it's turnover is by qualifying for CL. If we're not certain a player significantly increases our chances of doing that then a few million here is very important, because if in the future a player comes along who we do think increases our chances of doing it we may not be able to afford him because we wasted the cash on one who didn't.

This window is a case in point. A couple of years back most people seemed to think the re-signing of Robbie Keane was a good thing and even were saying things like we made £6m on the deal or something. We didn't, we spent £15m we could have spent on something else on a player who was past it and we then compounded the error by paying top wages (£3.9m p/a approx).

A couple of seasons later, he's barely played for us, we won't get any of that £15m back and we can't get shot of him because his wages are huge. Had we not wasted that money on him imagine what we could have spent it on.

But that was Levy panicking and prepared to pay an extortionate buy-it-now price. You can do it, but two yeas later and you can't afford the extra few million it would take to land the top-class players.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Here's what I think:

1. The better the team the harder it is to find players who are better than what you already have.

2. We're not rich and we want to comply the FFP rules, we haven't the cash to spunk on super-star wages.

3. Harry Redknapp's a lazy fucker. He doesn't and never has had the will to do the hard miles an the extra work a top manager does (SAF is first in the door at Carrington every morning at 6am). He also believes a lot in gut instinct, he's openly admitted he's superstitious and he makes no bones about the fact he believes the only way to be successful his to match the spending of those clubs above us. This means he's unwilling to the hard-graft identifying less well known players takes.

4. Harry Redknapp is in it for himself. He won't care if we have an average season as long as he can blame someone else for it. He wants the England job. That's it. If he can make out he's done as well as he could in difficult circumstances then he's happy. In some ways not getting players in is an easier excuse to the press than having the players and trying to win something. Especially if those players we might get in are not the super-stars. In that situation he would not be able to say he hasn't been backed, but he still wouldn't be sure they'd improve the side's chances.



What we need is a manager who believes he can have success with us despite our budget. Who wants to be here for the long-term and who will build a team with that in mind. We need someone who works hard, pays attention to detail and can identify players from lesser leagues and not be afraid to bring them in. We need someone who doesn't get in the excuses first. And we need someone who will work with his boss not against him.

All that said, we're not in a terrible position, we retain most of the team which the season before last was taking the likes of Chelsea to the cleaners, our strikers though terrible last year, can play much better, especially Defoe. Sandro is a season on and looks a real prospect. VdV has had a pre-season behind him and better prepared for the way the game's played in England. Last but not least, I'm certain we will get a striker in and if it's someone of the calibre of Adebayour then we've every chance of doing well this year.

David Moyes?

 

[3Dnata]

I know it is...I still think it is way too previous...and dealing in a delusional fantasy World where deals are easy to accomplish, finances don't need to be carefully managed, and someone has to be to blame if I don't get what I want when I want it (I'll hold my breath until I fall down).

I'm not sure who was saying it's easy to accomplish a deal but I will say I can't believe that a club of Tottenham's stature ( yes we're not Madid, Milan,Barca or Manu) have been able to find a striker in all this time.
I'm also not a foootball manager but I also find it difficult to believe that we don't have people who can identify the upcoming strikers before they become of the stature of Rossi and Falcao but they just seem intent on trying to sign Adebayor, Bellamy with the obvious difficulties involved in that.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Here's what I think:



4. Harry Redknapp is in it for himself. He won't care if we have an average season as long as he can blame someone else for it. He wants the England job. That's it. If he can make out he's done as well as he could in difficult circumstances then he's happy. In some ways not getting players in is an easier excuse to the press than having the players and trying to win something. Especially if those players we might get in are not the super-stars. In that situation he would not be able to say he hasn't been backed, but he still wouldn't be sure they'd improve the side's chances.



What we need is a manager who believes he can have success with us despite our budget. Who wants to be here for the long-term and who will build a team with that in mind. We need someone who works hard, pays attention to detail and can identify players from lesser leagues and not be afraid to bring them in. We need someone who doesn't get in the excuses first. And we need someone who will work with his boss not against him.
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Yes good stuff . Its not in Harry's interest to spend
big on players because he'll run the risk of the team not performing . If this happens he won't have the ready excuse of lack of good new players .

The man needs cast iron excuses in case the team does poorly . The reverse of this coin is that (intake of breath) maybe we don't sign anybody....then we play well...Bingo its the genius of Harry that triumphed over the odds triffic ...give him the national job !

Watching him blatantly working events in pursuit of his England ambitions....is not pretty .

Crazy situation... last paragraph from Sloth , very true .

 

[Hot-Spur]

Another thread on this, really? BORING!

We need a yawning smiley :wink:

 

[StartingPrice]

I'm not sure who was saying it's easy to accomplish a deal but I will say I can't believe that a club of Tottenham's stature ( yes we're not Madid, Milan,Barca or Manu) have been able to find a striker in all this time.
I'm also not a foootball manager but I also find it difficult to believe that we don't have people who can identify the upcoming strikers before they become of the stature of Rossi and Falcao but they just seem intent on trying to sign Adebayor, Bellamy with the obvious difficulties involved in that.

But none of this was the issue.
Rabbi thinks we should have made signing before now...and it is shoddy that we haven't. I think that is a ludicrous opinion, because the TW is nowhere near closed and it implies that it would be better to buy some mediocre players early than to try for some audacious deals even it it means not getting the deals done as early as some fans on an Internet forum would like.

But, just to indulge you:
Several posters have intimated several times that, by nature of their opinions, that they think it is rather easy to make signings, and all would be well if Levy would just break the wage structure, just sell our dead wood cheaply or give them away for free, and just look at realistic targets.

I agree that we are of a certain stature...but that is just the problem. We are not quite in the top band and we can't offer CL football this season, so we will either have to settle for strikers who probably won't take us that much further (if we were honest - and ignoring the hyperbole that they couldn't do worse than our current lot), or really perservere, and run the risk of ending up with compromises anyway, if we go for higher level players that will take us forward. In essence, we are inbetween a rock and a hard place.

But we have identified young and up and coming strikers - we have signed two young ones, and (allelgedly) a deal is in place for a slighter older option in Leandro. Levy has invested a lot of time, effort and money in developing our youth set up, but it is impossibe for that to be retrospective. We pretty much need a top level striker at the peak of his powers (say 27 - 28) to come in NOW...we can't go back to when one was 15 and induct him into a youth set-up we were only in the process of devising when levy first took charge. it is that simple. It is nothing to do with a failure in the youth set-up or scouting network in the last couple of years.

p.s. if the Journalist is to believed, on the ITK thread (if you have access to it) we do, also have our fall back, slightly more modest, recruits in place, and are just waiting on that marquee signing.