Should AVB be sacked if he doesn't get top four?

[Tott66]

Usual anti spurs media bias
Only continuity with avb
Will give us success

 

[Mullers]

Well for something so important to them, they still haven't invested any money into the team that hasn't been generated from player sales, which they are easily capable of. We've done very good business and have a better team, but they're still leaving it to chance rather than being proactive. The way to not leave it to chance would have been to buy a quality left back and another creative left winger, which would have ensured top 4 for us.

You are preaching to the converted mate, I've had many long discussions about Levy and the board any criticism of them results in some people sticking fingers in their heads.

 

[dontcallme]

Should he sacked if we don´t get top four? No, but questions should be asked.

People keep on saying "give him time" but time isn´t a guarantee that things will get better. Though that being said things right now are very good.

Our back five is Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen and Dawson. Kaboul will replace Dawson is he gets back to fitness. That´s a pretty consistent back five and time to gel isn´t the huge factor here.

In midfield we have Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho. Two have been here over a season and the other is a full Brazilian interntional. In backup/competition we have Holtby, Capoue and Sigurdsson, two of whom have been here over a season.

Attacking midfield we have Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Lamela and Eriksen. Upfront we have Soldado and two strikers who have been here over 2 seasons.

AVB has been backed. It is his job to get this team playing and gelling as a team. He doesn´t need to throw all the new signings into the team straight away. He is under pressure and rightly so.

So far he is doing an excellent job and I trust him but lets not use the time factor as an element that means he can´t be questionned.

 

[Mullers]

Should he sacked if we don´t get top four? No, but questions should be asked.

People keep on saying "give him time" but time isn´t a guarantee that things will get better. Though that being said things right now are very good.

Our back five is Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen and Dawson. Kaboul will replace Dawson is he gets back to fitness. That´s a pretty consistent back five and time to gel isn´t the huge factor here.

In midfield we have Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho. Two have been here over a season and the other is a full Brazilian interntional. In backup/competition we have Holtby, Capoue and Sigurdsson, two of whom have been here over a season.

Attacking midfield we have Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Lamela and Eriksen. Upfront we have Soldado and two strikers who have been here over 2 seasons.

AVB has been backed. It is his job to get this team playing and gelling as a team. He doesn´t need to throw all the new signings into the team straight away. He is under pressure and rightly so.

So far he is doing an excellent job and I trust him but lets not use the time factor as an element that means he can´t be questionned.

But is our first 11 better than Arsenal's first 11? Arsenal are a settled team and it showed when we played them. People keep underestimating them time and time again.

 

[jerkrib]

Should he sacked if we don´t get top four? No, but questions should be asked.

People keep on saying "give him time" but time isn´t a guarantee that things will get better. Though that being said things right now are very good.

Our back five is Lloris, Walker, Rose, Vertonghen and Dawson. Kaboul will replace Dawson is he gets back to fitness. That´s a pretty consistent back five and time to gel isn´t the huge factor here.

In midfield we have Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho. Two have been here over a season and the other is a full Brazilian interntional. In backup/competition we have Holtby, Capoue and Sigurdsson, two of whom have been here over a season.

Attacking midfield we have Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Lamela and Eriksen. Upfront we have Soldado and two strikers who have been here over 2 seasons.

AVB has been backed. It is his job to get this team playing and gelling as a team. He doesn´t need to throw all the new signings into the team straight away. He is under pressure and rightly so.

So far he is doing an excellent job and I trust him but lets not use the time factor as an element that means he can´t be questionned.

Has AVB really been backed? He's only spent money hes brought in?

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

If we have a good go at it and the quality of football improves, then no.

If we go through a season of monotone boring and redundant footy and miss out, then I wouldn't be surprised if he does get the sack.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

But is our first 11 better than Arsenal's first 11? Arsenal are a settled team and it showed when we played them. People keep underestimating them time and time again.

Indeed.

We'll have to hope they burn out, confidence sap or get a few injuries because their first team (on paper) is better than ours.

 

[dontcallme]

But is our first 11 better than Arsenal's first 11? Arsenal are a settled team and it showed when we played them. People keep underestimating them time and time again.

I don´t really care about comparisons between players. Man Utd are weaker on paper than City and Chelsea but outperform them consistently through a better team ehtic, better setup with regards to keeping the same manager and creating a style of play.

Arsenal are being under-estimated. We are told they have a weak defence but that same defence was the 3rd best in the league last season and let in 9 less than us.

AVB´s job is to get us playing as a team and very quickly.

 

[dontcallme]

Has AVB really been backed? He's only spent money hes brought in?

If you think the only way a manager can be backed is by net spend then no he hasn´t been backed.

But if you think bringing in the DOF he personally recommended who then buys you 7 quality players is backing you then yes he has been.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I saw this piece by Robbie Savage.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bonus-robbie-savage-its-top-four-2237481

I'd say a lot of people would be expecting a top four finish now, AVB will be under immense pressure. So should he be sacked if he fails to get top four?

I say definitely not.

He'll only be under pressure from the morons that keep booing each time we don't smash the opposition into the next universe!!!!

 

[dooey123]

I really like AVB and hope he's here for a long time. I loved him running half way down the pitch in the dying minutes on Sunday to make sure the throw-on went into the box. My worry is that the press are gonna be bastards if we have a few bad results and that stuff will spread to our fans. It happened at the start of last season after the shaky start "AVB has been found out etc."

For me personally the one thing he needs to do is get us playing good football. I could handle missing out on CL again if we played beautiful football. Perhaps without Bale's speed we will have to go in a more technical direction out of necessity.

 

[Andre_Serrano]

What AVB gets is minimal support from club.

Of top 6 clubs, United, Arsenal and Liverpool MANAGERs have ulitmate power to decide whom to bring in and who out. These club's net transfer fee after AVB to spurs are 84m(united), 72m(liverpool), and 30m(arsenal). Chelsea, City and Spurs(according to various ITK including JJset) COACHs have little power to decide transfer affairs. Of these clubs, the net transfer are 138m(Chelsea), 107m(City), and 300k(Spurs). AVB get far fewer transfer budget than his fellow managers/coaches. And he has to accept various players he doesn't really want. According to ITK Sigurosson, Dempsey, Dembele, Chadli, Eriksen are all Sherwood or "commitee"s idea, not AVB's, who wanted better players. Of 2 players he really wanted and actually demanded, none comes, despite the fact they were all financially attainable and without other powerful cometitors in a long time.

Is net transfer fee nothing? No, in modern football it's everything. A bigger net transfer budget means you could bring more players, better players, or have to sell fewer useful players, to retain your best player.

In these 2 years after AVB came, Spurs sell all 3 their best attacking/creative players, Modric, VDV, and Bale. Chelsea sold (or rather let go) Drogba, who was near his career's end anyway. City sold Tevez. Arsenal sold RVP. Other 2 clubs, including Liverpool, who spent much and got little in return in the form of results, none.

Considing these facts, I think only reasonable demand is a 6th place. But Levy won't think so, would he? So either AVB is to be sacked for fail to deliever a result he has to compete with others, who have much more resource at disposal, or he would be finally fed up and leave after his contracts runs out, just like Bale and Modric case.

 

[tiger666]

What AVB gets is minimal support from club.

Of top 6 clubs, United, Arsenal and Liverpool MANAGERs have ulitmate power to decide whom to bring in and who out. These club's net transfer fee after AVB to spurs are 84m(united), 72m(liverpool), and 30m(arsenal). Chelsea, City and Spurs(according to various ITK including JJset) COACHs have little power to decide transfer affairs. Of these clubs, the net transfer are 138m(Chelsea), 107m(City), and 300k(Spurs). AVB get far fewer transfer budget than his fellow managers/coaches. And he has to accept various players he doesn't really want. According to ITK Sigurosson, Dempsey, Dembele, Chadli, Eriksen are all Sherwood or "commitee"s idea, not AVB's, who wanted better players. Of 2 players he really wanted and actually demanded, none comes, despite the fact they were all financially attainable and without other powerful cometitors in a long time.

Is net transfer fee nothing? No, in modern football it's everything. A bigger net transfer budget means you could bring more players, better players, or have to sell fewer useful players, to retain your best player.

In these 2 years after AVB came, Spurs sell all 3 their best attacking/creative players, Modric, VDV, and Bale. Chelsea sold (or rather let go) Drogba, who was near his career's end anyway. City sold Tevez. Arsenal sold RVP. Other 2 clubs, including Liverpool, who spent much and got little in return in the form of results, none.

Considing these facts, I think only reasonable demand is a 6th place. But Levy won't think so, would he? So either AVB is to be sacked for fail to deliever a result he has to compete with others, who have much more resource at disposal, or he would be finally fed up and leave after his contracts runs out, just like Bale and Modric case.

Sorry I stopped reading at: "What AVB gets is minimal support from club."

 

[Misfit]

Sack him? Should be given a new contract pronto. Just watch this squad grow over the next 2 or 3 yrs. It'll be frightening to the rest of league.

For the first time in 20 odd yrs we could finally have the quality and stability required to become a force again. Let's not shit the bed eh?

 

[Mullers]

What AVB gets is minimal support from club.

Of top 6 clubs, United, Arsenal and Liverpool MANAGERs have ulitmate power to decide whom to bring in and who out. These club's net transfer fee after AVB to spurs are 84m(united), 72m(liverpool), and 30m(arsenal). Chelsea, City and Spurs(according to various ITK including JJset) COACHs have little power to decide transfer affairs. Of these clubs, the net transfer are 138m(Chelsea), 107m(City), and 300k(Spurs). AVB get far fewer transfer budget than his fellow managers/coaches. And he has to accept various players he doesn't really want. According to ITK Sigurosson, Dempsey, Dembele, Chadli, Eriksen are all Sherwood or "commitee"s idea, not AVB's, who wanted better players. Of 2 players he really wanted and actually demanded, none comes, despite the fact they were all financially attainable and without other powerful cometitors in a long time.

Is net transfer fee nothing? No, in modern football it's everything. A bigger net transfer budget means you could bring more players, better players, or have to sell fewer useful players, to retain your best player.

In these 2 years after AVB came, Spurs sell all 3 their best attacking/creative players, Modric, VDV, and Bale. Chelsea sold (or rather let go) Drogba, who was near his career's end anyway. City sold Tevez. Arsenal sold RVP. Other 2 clubs, including Liverpool, who spent much and got little in return in the form of results, none.

Considing these facts, I think only reasonable demand is a 6th place. But Levy won't think so, would he? So either AVB is to be sacked for fail to deliever a result he has to compete with others, who have much more resource at disposal, or he would be finally fed up and leave after his contracts runs out, just like Bale and Modric case.

Add Ade to that list as well, even though I do think he is a quality player, Paulinho as well good player but IMO not AVB's choice different to Moutinho but unlike Dembele though he can get forward and score goals, having him and Dembele in the side doesn't work in my view.

 

[Mullers]

Sack him? Should be given a new contract pronto. Just watch this squad grow over the next 2 or 3 yrs. It'll be frightening to the rest of league.

For the first time in 20 odd yrs we could finally have the quality and stability required to become a force again. Let's not shit the bed eh?

He won't be given a new contract until the end of the season at the earliest.

 

[klacey]

Haha, i find it hard to believe that sacking and AVB are in the same sentence. They go on about being the biggest spenders, but how about net this TW. I bet were down the bottom somewhere. I dont think the pressure is on this year, maybe next year.

 

[werty]

Obviously depends on how close we are to fourth and how we do over the whole season. If we continue to play the poor football we have largely played since he took over, if we still rely on individual brilliance to win games and if finish well of the pace for 4th then he should go. If we play better football and get 70+ points again but still miss out, then I think he should be given another year.

 

[philll]

Absolutely not. Unless we completley flunk and end up 20 points off top 4 or something. There's lots of variables but it would have to be a clusterfuck of epic proportions for me to even consider wanting him sacked. Plus, he's so god damn handsome.

 

[Misfit]

He won't be given a new contract until the end of the season at the earliest.

Why not? Not saying you're wrong but he only signed a 3 yr contract to begin with. The club would be looking to get him extended at the earliest, imo.