Should AVB be sacked if he doesn't get top four?

[parklane1]

Yeah, he's very strange with his substitutions at times too...maybe he just knows more than us fans do and thus it comes across as strange, but we were desperate for Holtby Sunday.

If some fans know as much as they think they do they would not be playing games but actually managing a team.

 

[kitchen]

There are still mistakes he makes but the big picture is impressive. He made some poor defensive subs at the start of last season, but his tactical substitutions against city for example, were sublime. I think he continues to make a huge mistake in playing a high line against a team like arsenal with a pacy weapon like Walcott. I thought he would have learnt from last season and the one before when the goons demolished Chelsea. However, at last we're starting to develop an identity as a club with a particular playing style. When we're a little more settled, he'll need to find a plan b and c and adapt his tactics to the opposition a little more...

 

[chinaman]

Might as well sack him now for losing the NLD.

 

[worcestersauce]

Spoken like a true Liverpool fan

don't see that at all, Liverpool fans always think this is their season because they have the beat team in the league.

 

[Dembele'Disciple]

Yes. You don't spend 9 digits in the transfer window, not qualify for top 4 and get to keep your job. Our previous manager two top four places in his 3 years at the club and he didn't spend anywhere close to these funds. If most of the signings fail then baldini must go too. This is a serious organisation and the objectives have to be met.

 

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  You should be ashamed.

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  Special mention to BlakeGriffin, you seem way too butt hurt about Benny. I guess you missed my ITK about him. I love Benny too, he's my favourite spurs player, but the manager had no choice.

 

[sbrustad]

Yes. You don't spend 9 digits in the transfer window, not qualify for top 4 and get to keep your job. Our previous manager two top four places in his 3 years at the club and he didn't spend anywhere close to these funds. If most of the signings fail then baldini must go too. This is a serious organisation and the objectives have to be met.

Net spend under Redknapp was higher. You seem to forget we've sold £169.5 million worth of players under AVB, while we've spent £165.2 million. That's a net spend of -4.3 million.

Even including the sale of Berbatov and Keane the net spend in Redknapps three seasons here was way higher. Have a look at transferleague.co.uk if you want the exact numbers.

 

[King of Otters]

No-one is indispensable. AVB is a great coach and we're extremely fortunate to have him but if things don't pan out as we hope this season, and, crucially, if our playing style (which is frequently woeful) doesn't improve, then I wouldn't be opposed to replacing him with someone like Laudrup who sets his teams up to play in a style more in keeping with Tottenham tradition.

I do feel guilty even contemplating replacing him, but in the modern game 99% of players and coaches are just passing through, we'd be foolish to think otherwise. Also, while I stand by what I said about our playing style, I accept that AVB hasn't had the kind of ball players at his disposal that Redknapp was fortunate enough to have. Hopefully things will change when Eriksen and Lamela come in to the side.

 

[King of Otters]

Net spend under Redknapp was higher. You seem to forget we've sold £169.5 million worth of players under AVB, while we've spent £165.2 million. That's a net spend of -4.3 million.

Even including the sale of Berbatov and Keane the net spend in Redknapps three seasons here was way higher. Have a look at transferleague.co.uk if you want the exact numbers.

How do transferleague.co.uk know exact numbers when all of our transfer fees are undisclosed?

Rhetorical question btw.

 

[King of Otters]

• Special mention to BlakeGriffin, you seem way too butt hurt about Benny. I guess you missed my ITK about him. I love Benny too, he's my favourite spurs player, but the manager had no choice.

What ITK was that, old sport?

I assume it wasn't posted in the RO since A&C so rudely banned you from that part of the site.

 

[sbrustad]

How do transferleague.co.uk know exact numbers when all of our transfer fees are undisclosed?

Rhetorical question btw.

So the high net spend under Redknapp is overestimated numbers, the low net spend under AVB is underestimated numbers?

Rhetorical question btw.

 

[King of Otters]

So the high net spend under Redknapp is overestimated numbers, the low net spend under AVB is underestimated numbers?

Rhetorical question btw.

I didn't say that. If all of our business is undisclosed, then any attempt to add up what we've spent will based almost entirely on guesswork.

 

[sbrustad]

I didn't say that. If all of our business is undisclosed, then any attempt to add up what we've spent will based almost entirely on guesswork.

I'd say it was more accurate before the club was delisted, but I think the estimated sums are closer to fact than fiction. And while we don't have to announce transfer fees any more, some clubs do. Case in point, AS Roma:

A.S. Roma S.p.A. announces that has signed a contract with Tottenham Hotspur for the outright sale of the player Erik Lamela after a recognition of an amount of € 30 million.

The agreement also provides for the recognition of a variable amount, up to a maximum of € 5 million for bonuses tied to the achievement of certain athletic goals by the players and the English club.​

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[OmarsComing]

What ITK was that, old sport?

I assume it wasn't posted in the RO since A&C so rudely banned you from that part of the site.

I posted it on the main board but it was delete...

 

[Dembele'Disciple]

Net spend under Redknapp was higher. You seem to forget we've sold £169.5 million worth of players under AVB, while we've spent £165.2 million. That's a net spend of -4.3 million.

Even including the sale of Berbatov and Keane the net spend in Redknapps three seasons here was way higher. Have a look at transferleague.co.uk if you want the exact numbers.

Don't tell me about net spend. Our current super positive net spend is influenced by the sale of a player who we both know wasn't worth the price.

Harry didn't have 100m to blow on the market. He also didn't have super star bale, he also came in at a time where the team wasn't anywhere close to as good as the one avb got.

We've now spent 100million on players and we can't afford to accept anything lower than a top 4 place, regardless of net spends and the like.

 

[sbrustad]

Don't tell me about net spend. Our current super positive net spend is influenced by the sale of a player who we both know wasn't worth the price.

Harry didn't have 100m to blow on the market. He also didn't have super star bale, he also came in at a time where the team wasn't anywhere close to as good as the one avb got.

We've now spent 100million on players and we can't afford to accept anything lower than a top 4 place, regardless of net spends and the like.

I think you forget that we sold Modric and Van der Vaart before AVB had been in charge of a single competitive game. We kept Bale, and under AVBs tutelage he turned in to a world beater. I can't be bothered to find the interview but Bale gave AVB much of the credit for the great season he had last season.

You can say Bale wasn't worth what we sold him for all you like, but the fact of the matter is he was sold for 85 million meaning we could reinvest in the squad. With some it's a lose/lose position because if we hadn't spent some fans would be blaming AVB, and now we have spent (the same) people will blame him unless we win the league.

Coming back to the statement that Redknapp never had 100m to blow on the market.. In the 08/09 season we spent close to 90 million pounds on mediocre players like Palacios, Defoe, Pavlyuchenko, Bentley and the list goes on. Many of these weren't Redknapp buys, just like many of the players brought in last summer weren't AVB buys. I'm sure AVB had more of a say this season than the last, but in the end it's probably down to the committee and Baldini just as much as AVB who we end up buying.


If we marginally miss out AVB shouldn't be fired. If we have a disastrous season then we should probably have to look for a new manager. It's not black and white.

 

[beats1]

Don't turn to the darkside, beats. Please. You're one of the good guys. There are enough negative fuckheads around. We've had as good as summer as we could reasonably expect. Not perfect but life rarely is.

Please, as much as my opinion matters to you, if at all, don't become one of them.

I beg you.

Im just being a realist, I think this has been the greatest window of all time in terms of incomings. In terms of players, I think we have made great signings with the only ones Im unsure of, is Chadli(just because I have only ever seen him play for Belgium, and for them he plays in the middle and covers Hazard and De Bruyne when they cut in. So I dont know about what he is like on the wing) and the other one I am unsure is Eriksen because I think he has alot of potential but not sure they are ready but my main concern is both needs games and there isnt a guarantee with such a big squad they will get games. That said I feel we are so desperate for a player like Eriksen that it may be the making of him and take him to the next level.

Last season I felt we had the better team despite Bale paper overing the crack but the AVB bedding in period cost us. But them signing Ozil, playing more like a team than we do and us gelling will make it hard for us at the start of the season.

I also think our back 7 is the best it has ever been in the premier league and I know everybody else may think this is crazy but I think we may have the lowest goals conceded ever in the premier league though we have conceded more goals than anyother so might not be as great as people think.

My point though is, for this team to stay at the club and reach their prime, we have to get top 4 to keep them here.

 

[Spursbabe63]

He might leave himself because of not qualifying for CL football............

We are the only club he has spent more than one season at....I hope we can keep him until he retires ( by 40 by all accounts!) .,..so another 5 years with him at the club would give us plenty of time to shop around for the next one...

Obviously winning things and regular CL competitions would appeal to anyone that wants the job!

 

[Eric_s]

But is our first 11 better than Arsenal's first 11? Arsenal are a settled team and it showed when we played them. People keep underestimating them time and time again.[/

Has our first team ever been of better quality than arse for the past 15 years?
The answer is no. However we are closing the gap year after year. Now we have a more balance squad than them. Attack wise they are superior to us. It's going to be a tough fight.

 

[theShiznit]

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  Special mention to BlakeGriffin, you seem way too butt hurt about Benny. I guess you missed my ITK about him. I love Benny too, he's my favourite spurs player, but the manager had no choice.

Oooh oooh, i missed that too.

What was it pray tell?