should keane have come on for the pen ?

[doubledecker]

Keane may be lacking confidence right now but he is reliable from the spot.He has scored some pressure pens over the years. Defoe is not a reliable penalty taker- would it not have made sense for Keane to have come on ?

 

[fortworthspur]

Defoe is as sharp as anyone in the prem right now. I expected him to bury it in the back of the net. Keane missed a pen against Arsenal that would've tied it the season before last, btw.

 

[ShelfSide18]

It would have been on hell of a big call for Harry to make, imagine if Keane had come on and missed - Harry would have been crucified.

The fact remains though that Keane is an infinitely better penalty taker than Defoe and has always been good in high pressure situations like today. Some of Keane's penalties in our CL challenge in 05/06 were massive goals, one coincidentally away at Everton. I would have backed the decision if Keane had been brought on to take the penalty although I'm not going to say it was bad management because we did have the premierships leading scorer taking the penalty.

I've posted in other threads that the huge delay between the decision and when it was taken was crucial and Defoe clearly didn't clear his head before he stepped up because it was a terrible penalty, if you go down the middle at least get the ball up because keepers will always be looking to go downwards first. Keane always aims for the corner and more often than not finds the corner and doesn't let the importance and time of a penalty change his mindset and today I reckon he would have been in a better frame of mind to take the penalty. He was less caught up in the high emotions of the game and someone who was more composed and detached from the intensity of the game was possibly a better option than Defoe who quite clearly was impatient to get the ball in the net and be celebrating with the fans before he thought about actually getting it into the net.

 

[doubledecker]

Defoe is as sharp as anyone in the prem right now. I expected him to bury it in the back of the net. Keane missed a pen against Arsenal that would've tied it the season before last, btw.

I think Keane's record is something like 17 out of 20. Not perfect but not bad either. I couldn't fine Defoe's record but I am sure it's not that good. I didn't feel confident he was going to score and I dont think he did either.

 

[mano-obe]

It would have been on hell of a big call for Harry to make, imagine if Keane had come on and missed - Harry would have been crucified.

Quite right, the Keane haters would have had a field day. I knew Defoe would miss, reminds me of the game at Upton Park when he missed a penalty in injury time.

Oh well, we should have seen them off really and not been in that situation in the first place

 

[spursandbarca]

no because he would have been cold and not kicked a ball.

defoe should not take the next one spurs win. I remember he missed one against west ham couple of seasons ago as well.


i can only recall keane missing one ever. maybe jenas or thudd should take them if keane is on the bench

 

[ShelfSide18]

Quite right, the Keane haters would have had a field day. I knew Defoe would miss, reminds me of the game at Upton Park when he missed a penalty in injury time.

Oh well, we should have seen them off really and not been in that situation in the first place

This is the main point really, the pressure should never have been placed on Defoe in the first place. I'm not going to slag Defoe off, I thought he played excellently but, and I know it's easy to say now, I too didn't feel too confident with him taking it. I don't get the need for last minute penalties to be smashed as if strikers are hedging their bets, he's good enough to pick a corner and find the corner.

I don't see anything too radical about bringing on a player for the sole purpose of taking a penalty seeing as it was in injury time and with Keane's mostly excellent penalty record, to me, it sounds sensible. Keane thrives in those situations and I think that yes, he should have been brought on to take it. I even posted this before it was taken in the match thread so It's not all hindsight.

Oh well.

 

[ShelfSide18]

no because he would have been cold and not kicked a ball.

defoe should not take the next one spurs win. I remember he missed one against west ham couple of seasons ago as well.


i can only recall keane missing one ever. maybe jenas or thudd should take them if keane is on the bench

He missed one away at the emirates, Everton this season and one against Sunderland if I remember correctly many years ago.

But yes, from 12 yards out Keane is as clinical as anyone.

 

[dannythomas]

no because he would have been cold and not kicked a ball.

defoe should not take the next one spurs win. I remember he missed one against west ham couple of seasons ago as well.


i can only recall keane missing one ever. maybe jenas or thudd should take them if keane is on the bench

I dont think his being cold would have made a difference. He is a specialist penalty taker and in that pressure situation that is what you need.

I think another contender would be Dawson - he would have gone up and thumped it. Kranjcar is pretty accurate from dead balls - I dont know if he has taken any .

But Keane was the right choice for me - in a cup tie he would certainly have been brought on a few minutes from the end in a shoot out situation. I also seem to remember a long delay before he got the equalizer a few minutes from the end at home to Arsenal a couple of years ago.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I dont think his being cold would have made a difference. He is a specialist penalty taker and in that pressure situation that is what you need.

I think another contender would be Dawson - he would have gone up and thumped it. Kranjcar is pretty accurate from dead balls - I dont know if he has taken any .

But Keane was the right choice for me - in a cup tie he would certainly have been brought on a few minutes from the end in a shoot out situation. I also seem to remember a long delay before he got the equalizer a few minutes from the end at home to Arsenal a couple of years ago.

Agree with everything apart from the Dawson bit, if I've ever thought of a contender for the classic 10 yards over the bar defenders spot kick it would have been Daws.

Kranjcar is a good shout too, I would imagine he could hit a nice penalty.

 

[Beni]

We can all debate now after the game with hindsight, but the fact of the matter is, all strikers should be able to score a penalty from 12 yards.
Especially a striker thats bang in form, top goalscorer in the prem going for the golden boot, who is very capable of taking them as he has scored and taken them in the past.
If Keane would of taken it or someone else, and missed, we would have all been sating we isnt our top and inform goalscorer not taking it.

 

[dontcallme]

We can all debate now after the game with hindsight, but the fact of the matter is, all strikers should be able to score a penalty from 12 yards.
Especially a striker thats bang in form, top goalscorer in the prem going for the golden boot, who is very capable of taking them as he has scored and taken them in the past.
If Keane would of taken one or someone else, and missed, we would have all been sating we isnt our top and inform goalscorer not taking it.

I agree. Harry needs to question who takes the penalties when Keane isn't on the field. Possibly Kranjcar or Huddlestone.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

i don't think it was poor penalty by Defoe, Althoguh I've used to be Keane fan .. it was just good idea to react to the pressure but main problem the ball wasn't a bit higher as Wolves did vs Villa some weeks ago .. and with big regret it was good save by Howard.

also i agree with this

It would have been on hell of a big call for Harry to make, imagine if Keane had come on and missed - Harry would have been crucified.

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and if Harry subs Crouch for missing a good chance for 3-0 with Keane ( which i thought he would ) , you can see that is Keane up for it instead of Defoe, but coming in wasting time would put him in big pressure and i would even pick Defoe ahead of him.

sadly, Bale should be good penalty taker but the 1st goal didn't help his confidence ..

 

[Gilzeanking]

Like Redford in Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid....he gets asked to prove he can defend a mexican boss's money...he gets out his gun and from a standing start shoots at a can and misses several times . Cue frowns from his potential employer...

...Then he says 'But I can do it when I move' and proceeds to do a quickdraw and shoots the can into the air many times.

Defoe can only score if he 'moves'...His penalties have always been terrible ...even if he scores. I've been on about this for years . It was like an obvious slowmotion accident about to happen and you can't do anything about it .

He must know about this limitation...he was just thinking about his scoring figures and nothing about Spurs . I hate that .

OK lesson learned again... Defoe NEVER to take any penalty under any circumstances , this includes penalty shootouts . He has always been completely hopeless at it .

 

[AngerManagement]

I was hoping Huddlestone would take it...I didn't fancy Defoe to score at all yesterday

 

[SpurSince57]

i don't think it was poor penalty by Defoe, Althoguh I've used to be Keane fan .. it was just good idea to reach to the pressure but main problem the ball wasn't a bit higher as Wolves did vs Villa some weeks ago .. and with big regret it was good save by Howard.

It was actually a pretty poor penalty and a lucky save—how can it have been a good one when the ball was struck straight down the middle and Howard dived to the right?

 

[dimiSpur]

i can say i knew jd wud miss...but truth is i always think we gonna miss..so law of averages im rite...but jd didnt look confident(goal apart)all day.we are so in control of games lately,that we must be happy,we gonna win alot more games then not...and roll on luka ,not long now...we forget how good he is

 

[Spurs_Q8]

It was actually a pretty poor penalty and a lucky save—how can it have been a good one when the ball was struck straight down the middle and Howard dived to the right?

the Brazilian Ronaldo used to score penalties in the middle of the goal :shrug:

as i said, the only problem it's needed to be a bit higher ..

can't ask to be in top or top corner as it is too risky when people moan about Beckham when send it over the bar

 

[Sputic]

no because he would have been cold and not kicked a ball.

defoe should not take the next one spurs win. I remember he missed one against west ham couple of seasons ago as well.


i can only recall keane missing one ever. maybe jenas or thudd should take them if keane is on the bench

This

 

[Legend10]

Ridiculous notion.

It's hardly as if Keane is lethal from the spot as he proved against Everton the other week and he also crumbled under the penalty pressure at Arsenal.

Personally I've always felt that the technically better players should take penalties, I think Niko and Hudd would probably be our best takers.