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Spurs coach: Holding midfielders are overrated - just look at Man City

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EXCLUSIVE: Tottenham coach Les Ferdinand believes that holding midfielders are overrated – and he feels free-scoring Manchester City are proving that theory.


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Andre Villas-Boas followed the fashion of playing with at least one designated defensive midfielder during his time in charge at Spurs.
However, since Tim Sherwood, Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey were promoted from the development squad to take charge of first-team affairs, the Lilywhites have been bucking the trend.
Eyebrows were raised when 19-year-old Nabil Bentaleb was picked ahead of Etienne Capoue in the FA Cup tie at Arsenal on January 4, leaving Spurs without a ‘destroyer’ in front of their back four – and while they lost 2-0 that day, they have continued with that policy in the last two games against Crystal Palace and Swansea.
The Lilywhites have won both of those Premier League matches, scoring five goals while only conceding one - and Ferdinand has suggested that the north Londoners will keep asking their midfielders to take turns to shield the defence, rather than picking a designated player for the role.
“I know there’s a lot of talk about holding midfield players, and I’m always arguing with Tim and Chris about this – and they agree,” he said.
“I don’t like holding midfield players. I like players to understand that if one goes forward, the other one tucks in for them. I don’t want someone who just sits in front of the back four and doesn’t go anywhere, but that’s just my own personal view.
“I was saying to William Gallas when he was here, the worst thing that happened in this league was Claude Makelele.
“When he came into this country he wasn’t a holding midfield player. He was a player who had the intelligence to say ‘Frank [Lampard], you can score more goals than me so if you go I’m going to tuck in here for you, and I’ll hold. You keep going forward’.
“Then everyone went ‘right, we’ve got to have a holding midfield player’ - and what we’ve done is produce a crop of players who don’t want to go over the halfway line, who don’t want to pass over the halfway line and are happy to just sit in front of the back four.
“Having played the game, I know that if you’re a right winger and you come back and sit on the toes of the full-back, he won’t push you on. He’s happy to have that protection.
“It’s the same all around the field. If you’ve got a player who defends - a player that will come and sit in front of you and make the centre forward’s life difficult - he’s happy to have that, rather than defend on his own.”
Tottenham host Manchester City at White Hart Lane tomorrow night, and Ferdinand believes that the free-scoring title challengers underline his point.
“Do Man City play with one [a holding midfielder]? They’ve still scored 100-odd goals,” he said.
“People say Yaya Toure is a holding midfielder. No he isn’t, he’s getting forward and getting goals - but if someone else goes he’ll stay in there.
“Fernandinho’s scoring goals. Why? Because he’s a holding player? No. They’ve just got an understanding: ‘If he goes, I’ll hold, and if I go he’ll hold’.”
Tottenham know all about City’s capabilities, having been thrashed 6-0 at the Etihad in November – and Manuel Pellegrini’s side have netted 110 goals in their 36 games in all competitions this season.
Ferdinand said: “When we went up to Man City they embarrassed us, and as players you never forget that, so hopefully the boys will hold onto that.
“All you want is a performance – a very good performance, playing to the capabilities that we know we’re capable of playing - and we’ll give Man City a very good game.”
Spurs will have to keep a close eye on Sergio Aguero, who has immediately returned to top form after recovering from injury.
The Argentine hitman has scored six goals in the four games since his return – including a hat-trick in Saturday’s FA Cup victory over Watford – to take his tally to 25 goals in 24 games.
Meanwhile, Spanish striker Alvaro Negredo has registered 23 times for his club since arriving from Sevilla in the summer.
That is in stark contrast to his countryman Roberto Soldado, who has mustered just 10 goals for Spurs since his £26million move from Valencia. Half of them have been in the Europa League, and four of his five Premier League goals have come from the penalty spot.
The 28-year-old has only scored once in his last 10 top-flight fixtures, so Tottenham fans will be hoping that he is inspired by the occasion against City – and that their talismanic frontman Emmanuel Adebayor continues the form that has produced six goals in eight games.
“I’ve always known that Ade’s a quality player,” said Ferdinand. “He’s come into the side and done exceptionally well for us.
“He’s done what we know he’s capable of doing. The question that people throw at Adebayor is ‘how long for?’ We’ll just keep playing him as long as he’s doing what he does.
“On the other side [with Soldado], I always believe that players coming into this country struggle in their first year, adapting to the pace of it.
“We know he’s a goalscorer. Unfortunately he’s not been doing that and when you haven’t had the opportunities your confidence can sometimes drop - and he’ll admit himself that he’s still getting used to the pace of the football.
“Last year, with [Olivier] Giroud and [Per] Mertesacker at Arsenal, people were saying that these boys weren’t good enough. This year they’re two of their better players, so it takes a while to settle in.”
Ferdinand added: “We just want him [Soldado] to continue doing what he’s doing. The confidence will come back once he gets something and sticks it in the net again.
“We know he can score goals. He’s just got to start remembering that he can score goals, because I’ve been there and I’ve been a centre forward and when you’re not scoring it becomes isolating and you lose confidence.
“You want that extra touch to make sure of things, and in the Premier League you don’t get the chance to get that extra touch. But something will bounce off him, go in the back of the net, and it will just come back.”
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Not too worried for Sandro. He has the ability to get more goals than he does, and I can see it happening if he's allowed to get forward more often.
 

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I don't agree with Les. There's a time and a place for a holding midfielder, against the top teams in the division and europe, going out there without a player who can break up the attacking play is naive. If that player has a good range of passing and other technical skills then that's great, but what Les is going on about is a gung-ho, we'll score more than you attitude.... and this won't work against high tempo, attacking possession teams.
 

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Completely disagree with Ferdinand. The Swansea and Crystal Palace games were ones a club fighting for the top four SHOULD win. The cup game at arsenal was embarrassing, we never looked remotely like getting into the game as we had no fight in midfield.
The only game where were really upset the odds was at ManU where we started with Capoue. We conceded after he was substituted and were lucky not to concede more.

I wouldn't start with one DM against ManCity, I'd start with TWO
 

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So we're comparing comparing ourselves to Man City now?

Man City don't play with a holding midfielder because they have the best team in the league. They don't really need to think about what happens when they don't have the ball because they are so deadly with it.
 

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Why does everything have to be so black and white with tactics? Is it not possible that in some matches a true DM is needed and in others we have the quality to dictate the game on our own terms? Makalele was pretty f'in good!

I do think Sherwood knows this though - I've got a lot of faith after the Swansea game.
 

dudu

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I don't agree with Les. There's a time and a place for a holding midfielder, against the top teams in the division and europe, going out there without a player who can break up the attacking play is naive. If that player has a good range of passing and other technical skills then that's great, but what Les is going on about is a gung-ho, we'll score more than you attitude.... and this won't work against high tempo, attacking possession teams.

when did he say that a player who breaks up attacks shouldnt play?
 

dudu

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Completely disagree with Ferdinand. The Swansea and Crystal Palace games were ones a club fighting for the top four SHOULD win. The cup game at arsenal was embarrassing, we never looked remotely like getting into the game as we had no fight in midfield.
The only game where were really upset the odds was at ManU where we started with Capoue. We conceded after he was substituted and were lucky not to concede more.

I wouldn't start with one DM against ManCity, I'd start with TWO

Dude, Capoue, great defensive midfielder that he is, gave the ball away about 6 or 7 times in the first half a few of which resulted in goal scoring chance for Man U.
 

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I don't agree with Les. There's a time and a place for a holding midfielder, against the top teams in the division and europe, going out there without a player who can break up the attacking play is naive. If that player has a good range of passing and other technical skills then that's great, but what Les is going on about is a gung-ho, we'll score more than you attitude.... and this won't work against high tempo, attacking possession teams.
He's not saying that at all, he's actually making a very good point. What he is advocating is fluidity in the centre of the field. If you pigeonhole players into set positions then you make the task for the opposition that much easier to mark your AM out of the game, knowing that he is the only threat. If, however, you have that understanding between a midfield 2, then when one is covered, the other can advance into space with the marker pulled out of position if the other midfielder tucks in deep.
He's used Toure and Fernandinho as perfect examples, Petite and Vieira were the same.
Sir Les is showing that he's rather more intelligent than many give him credit for being.
 

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I only read the first bit and what Sir Les said in that first bit I totally agree with.

These holding mids are a waste of a player and they get it in their heads " I don't have to make an incisive pass, I don't have to score goals, I can just sit here in my arm chair and jump up and move left and right sometimes make a crunching tackle per game and all the fans think I'm great and pick up my 50k per week thank you. "
 

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I agree that a player limited to one role is overrated and midfielders should be able to defend and attack.

Players who favour defending over attacking are valuable assets, though. The midfield pairing has to work together. With Makelele/Lampard, one scored very few and the other got a lot. In other pairings, say, Keane/Scholes or Vieira/Petit, the goals are balanced out (even if it means creating for others not listed). All about maximising the skills they have.

I don't agree that there is a crop of players who don't go over the halfway line, though. He should name them if he is so sure.
 

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I don't even know where to begin in deconstructing the first half of that article. There is just too much wrong with it lol
 

Yid-ol

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I agree with what he is meaning, but not how it has come across.

To me having a player that will only sit in CM is a waste, we need and have players in CM that can put their foot in and win the ball as well as go forward and be confident with passing or dribbling with the ball. As he said, if one goes forward the other sits back and vice versa.
 

dudu

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He's not saying that at all, he's actually making a very good point. What he is advocating is fluidity in the centre of the field. If you pigeonhole players into set positions then you make the task for the opposition that much easier to mark your AM out of the game, knowing that he is the only threat. If, however, you have that understanding between a midfield 2, then when one is covered, the other can advance into space with the marker pulled out of position if the other midfielder tucks in deep.
He's used Toure and Fernandinho as perfect examples, Petite and Vieira were the same.
Sir Les is showing that he's rather more intelligent than many give him credit for being.

yup, i completely agree. i hope people read this properly and actually take on board what he says rather than just assume he is saying Capoue is shit like i am sure a lot of people on here will.
 

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Man City do have a holding midfielder... he's called Yaya Toure. He just happens to be one of the best attacking midfielders, box to box midfielders, and all round players in the world right now IMO. If you have a player like that then you have that luxury. Les is a player from the era of Roy Keane, David Batty, Paul Ince... unspectacular yet tough defensive midfielders... he sits next to one of them each match in Tim Sherwood. So to hear that from him is surprising.

Sometimes you need a player to simply protect the back 4 to allow the rest of your midfield to bomb on and be creative. He will have witnessed first hand the effectiveness of Scotty Parker and Sandro in recent seasons.

This argument that "old style" football that Man City are playing is the key... but that's only because they have the best players in Europe.
 

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Dude, Capoue, great defensive midfielder that he is, gave the ball away about 6 or 7 times in the first half a few of which resulted in goal scoring chance for Man U.

But apart from that game, where in actual fact he did a lot of good but you always come back to those pass stats. I would say that when he is back to match sharpness he is our most defensive midfielder yet has the best range of passing.
 

dudu

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Completely disagree with Ferdinand. The Swansea and Crystal Palace games were ones a club fighting for the top four SHOULD win. The cup game at arsenal was embarrassing, we never looked remotely like getting into the game as we had no fight in midfield.
The only game where were really upset the odds was at ManU where we started with Capoue. We conceded after he was substituted and were lucky not to concede more.

I wouldn't start with one DM against ManCity, I'd start with TWO

Like AVB did you mean?
 

dudu

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But apart from that game, where in actual fact he did a lot of good but you always come back to those pass stats. I would say that when he is back to match sharpness he is our most defensive midfielder yet has the best range of passing.

Not saying he doest bro - just making a point that our success vs Man U and the goal we conceeded was not all down to Capoue's presence on the pitch.
 
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