Spurs fans will debate the use of the term ‘Yid’ in football

[JamesTheYiddo]

The Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust will be represented at this event, but we do want to make it clear that the Trust's stance is and always has been that when the word "Yid" is used by Spurs fans it is done so in a positive way and in no way, shape or form is it being used as an insult. The Trust does not want to support any movement by any agency to stop Spurs fans using the term in its context as a badge of honour.

Tottenham Hotspur fans' use of the term ‘Yid’ will be debated next Tuesday at Conway Hall in London.

Football’s anti-racism and inclusion campaign, Kick It Out, Jewish sports organisation, Maccabi GB, and the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Trust will bring football fans together for a forum discussion examining the reasons why Spurs fans have adopted a term.

A panel including Spurs fans and members of the Jewish community will lead the discussion with other football fans and players from grassroots clubs also relaying their experiences and opinions from the floor.

The event is taking place as part of the ‘One Game, One Community’ week of action, where 1000 events are happening across the UK between the 18 – 30 October to celebrate the diversity of the game, whilst continuing the call for equality in football.

Those wishing to attend the forum discussion must register with Kick It Out by sending their names via email to [email protected]

For further information on Kick It Out please see www.kickitout.org

For further information on Maccabi GB please see www.maccabigb.org


http://www.tottenhamtrust.com/viewnews.asp?id=386

 

[SpurSince57]

Aren't we being a little over-PC here?

I don't think I've imagined reading that some of the chanting that goes on in Israel is altogether more questionable, to put it mildly.

 

[LSUY]

How about instead of focusing so much time on stopping Spurs fans using the term 'Yid' the Kick it Out campaign could spend their time trying to stop Chelsea fans singing 'spurs are on their way to auschwitz, the nazis are gonna gas them again' :shrug:

 

[Real_madyidd]

This again? Fuck sake.

 

[C0YS]

"SIGH"

:sleepy::sleepy::sleepy::sleepy:

 

[PantherX]

How about instead of focusing so much time on stopping Spurs fans using the term 'Yid' the Kick it Out campaign could spend their time trying to stop Chelsea fans singing 'spurs are on their way to auschwitz, the nazis are gonna gas them again' :shrug:

Their belief is that our adoption of the term 'yid' encourages that kind of response.

Go figure.

 

[carrickature]

they have a very small point, i've been called things like a 'dirty yid' before, but only by someone i actually know. i've never been called a yid by a stranger that knew i was a spurs supporter.

 

[TrueYid]

It must be that time of the year again...

 

[nipponyid]

More pressure from the Zionists....Don`t they know when to give it a rest.

 

[Diewhingywenger]

More pressure from the Zionists....Don`t they know when to give it a rest.

Where exactly is this coming from Zionists?

And nice of you to hide your anti-semitism behind zionism and even conflicting the two terms to try and hide your shameful hatred. A zionist is someone who is pro-Israel (not even related to the zionists).

And where does it say the issue is being pressurised by zionists (thought I'd guess you mean Jews, but it's apparent your anti-semitism is so latent that you even conflict the terms, thus rendering your post completely ignorant and ridiciulously retarded)?

Don't you know when to give it a rest?

 

[nipponyid]

Where exactly is this coming from Zionists?

MaccabiGB is part of the Zionist Youth Council and as such receives funding from various Zionist organisations in Israel.
http://www.zyc.org.uk/

So thats where its coming from, as for the rest of your post, I just put it down to you being not very informed.

 

[PantherX]

Diewhingywenger I believe thats what the kids call pwned

 

[jj87]

What about Kick It Out? The Tottenham Supporters Trust? Both evil tentacles as well I assume?

 

[madroosta]

surely if we're told to kick it out then surely that will spark even more taunts from the likes of Chelsea as it'll be seen as forbidden!!?

 

[llamafarmer]

Fucking joke. PC misses the point again!

 

[Krafty]

I obviously want to keep the term 'yid' as we, as the article says, have turned it into a badge of honour and rather than hide behind our jewish ties in the community we are proud of them.

However, I am not Jewish, so I cant really know how they feel.

But getting us to stop chantting it (and thats not going to work is it?) will not stop opposition fans making anti-semitic gestures, like the chelsea chants, West Ham fans hissing to imitate gas chambers etc etc etc.

I'd rather be proud than be ashamed.

 

[The Apprentice]

YIDOS YIDOS YIDOS. I'll sing it regardless of what this poxy council tells me.

 

[Diewhingywenger]

MaccabiGB is part of the Zionist Youth Council and as such receives funding from various Zionist organisations in Israel.
http://www.zyc.org.uk/

So thats where its coming from, as for the rest of your post, I just put it down to you being not very informed.

Far more informed than you, given that I'm Jewish and Zionist and all that. And I fail to see where it actually says they are applying pressure?

Care to clarify? That's the point I was making, douche.

Oh and also, you may want to re-think your supporting of Tottenham, given that Spurs are one of Maccabi's many partners. Don't believe me? Look at the Maccabi website.

And I'm also guessing you're aware that Daniel Levy (you know, the guy who is chairman and all that?) Is one of the UJIA's (United Jewish Israel Appeal) biggest backers?

I'd also quite like to know how you even found the ZYC, given that they are only in the process of setting themselves up. I also like the way that you think ZYC is the big-shot player in all these movements. Have you even looked at what the ZYC is? It's merely a council of 6th form representatives from different Jewish Youth Groups. So how exactly does this 8 member council made up of 16-18 year olds actually distribute money to groups such as Maccabi?

 

[Diewhingywenger]

Also, regarding the actual topic:

I'm Jewish, and personally the term Yid doesn't offend me at all. Personally, I think it's all about context. If I'm walking down the street and someone shouts 'Dirty Yid', then that is clearly using the term in a racially abusing context.

However, 35,000 Spurs fans chanting Yidddddddoooooo at an individual to try and motivate them to me is not worthy of being deemed racist.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

We've debated this a million times and, iirc, the last time we did we ended up getting into a debate about "how come we can see the sense in reclaiming Yido from the bigots, but it doesn't work for "The N Word" then?"

Easy to sum up - you sing it at Spurs fans, we sing it as Spurs fans. It's a nickname and a term of endearment which has redefined itself into it's recognisable modern use and many people today probably don't even know the origins of the word, yet use it anyway - proves the point.

If you use it directed at an individual as a derisive term then it's racist and insulting, but it's down to the application of it and the context in which it is dealt.

If it's 20,000 singing "Jermain Defoe, he's a Yido" that's fine, if it's 3 skinheads cornering a teenager, spitting the word "YID" at him, it's beind directly used as a racial slur and should be rightly stepped on.

We can't stop everyone from using a word because some use it offensively.

Oh, but yeah, we can as it's apparently impossible for any non-black person to use "The N Word" in any context but insulting, whereas black people can say it three times between every sentence and it's fine. It's a shame that the people who find that word so offensive are only open minded enough to assume you meant it as an insult, but not enough to realise how totally hypocritical they are being.

sorry, got OT, it came up at work