Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[Legend10]

If 1 or 2 players come through from he current under 21 batch to play regularly for the first team we will have done really well.

It's so unusual now for youth players to go on and have a successful career at the same club. Caulker has a chance for a long and successful career at Spurs, would he be he first since King?

We seem to be trying to replicate the Barca/Ajax way and if we could get anywhere near it it would be fantastic

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Good call on Moniz - from the top down, we can only speculate on what influence any individual has had since the appointment of Arnesen.

Yeah, the ideal is that we can integrate players from the youth team into a settled squad. Prospects are good IMHO.

Yeah, I think Moniz's impact has been staggering. Passing his skills and philosephy on to the other coaches like Ramsey and Inglethorpe. Moniz coaches the 'Coerver Method', which includes amongst other things teaching technique in a classroom setting. Heres the wiki article which explains it better than I can http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiel_Coerver

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Guys help me out here as I don't get to see a lot of our youth team.

There seems to be an inevitability especially with most premiership teams that very rarely does a player break through the ranks and go onto become a valuable first team member (Caulker doesn't count as an example as he's peripheral atm)

If any of you with good knowledge of our youth set-up had to pinpoint one player you genuinely believe could/will become a top premiership player who would it be?

Also on a side note I really liked the look of Harry Winks in that video

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Guys help me out here as I don't get to see a lot of our youth team.

There seems to be an inevitability especially with most premiership teams that very rarely does a player break through the ranks and go onto become a valuable first team member (Caulker doesn't count as an example as he's peripheral atm)

If any of you with good knowledge of our youth set-up had to pinpoint one player you genuinely believe could/will become a top premiership player who would it be?

Also on a side note I really liked the look of Harry Winks in that video

I'd go for Alex Pritchard, then probably Caballos. (thats if we're not counting Carol or Caulker)

 

[Romulus]

Guys help me out here as I don't get to see a lot of our youth team.

There seems to be an inevitability especially with most premiership teams that very rarely does a player break through the ranks and go onto become a valuable first team member (Caulker doesn't count as an example as he's peripheral atm)

If any of you with good knowledge of our youth set-up had to pinpoint one player you genuinely believe could/will become a top premiership player who would it be?

Also on a side note I really liked the look of Harry Winks in that video

onomah and bentaleb.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

Cheers guys. I hope AVB starts a policy where if we are 2 goals + up then we have a young option on the bench always to blood in; that would fantastic experience for them.

I haven't seen much of Pritchard except from few clips; hope he's as good as people say.

I don't understand why Cellabos doesn't get onto the bench - Looks quality in all the highlights

 

[chinaman]

If 1 or 2 players come through from he current under 21 batch to play regularly for the first team we will have done really well.

It's so unusual now for youth players to go on and have a successful career at the same club. Caulker has a chance for a long and successful career at Spurs, would he be he first since King?

We seem to be trying to replicate the Barca/Ajax way and if we could get anywhere near it it would be fantastic

Yes, that'd be perfect for Levy as he won't need to buy and will have a constant stream of revenue through sales.

 

[chrissivad]

not sure i would go for that.

When we go 2 goals up we have a bad tendency of sitting back and being under a lot of pressure for the remainder of the game.
Most of our attacking subs done when this happens find it hard to get into the game as there is very little surport, and changes at the back could see mistakes.

Its a fine balance for when they would be brought on, but at least 1 youngster on the bench would be good to see.
Problem is we have plenty of other players who could make the bench as well.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

not sure i would go for that.

When we go 2 goals up we have a bad tendency of sitting back and being under a lot of pressure for the remainder of the game.
Most of our attacking subs done when this happens find it hard to get into the game as there is very little surport, and changes at the back could see mistakes.

Its a fine balance for when they would be brought on, but at least 1 youngster on the bench would be good to see.
Problem is we have plenty of other players who could make the bench as well.

Yeah I guess I was thinking that just now - What would Holtby be thinking if a fresh, unproven 18 year old is being thrown into the mix before him. Problem is as much as people may protest we do have a strong squad; we just lack strong cover in 1 or 2 positions

 

[mpickard2087]

Yeah I guess I was thinking that just now - What would Holtby be thinking if a fresh, unproven 18 year old is being thrown into the mix before him. Problem is as much as people may protest we do have a strong squad; we just lack strong cover in 1 or 2 positions

For him, or whoever, it shouldn't matter how he feels. It should act as a massive kick up the backside and for them to get their game together. Then it's all about how they respond to the challenge from there.

 

[Romulus]

For him, or whoever, it shouldn't matter how he feels. It should act as a massive kick up the backside and for them to get their game together. Then it's all about how they respond to the challenge from there.

spot on

 

[chrissivad]

Holtby is only 22 and is new to the league, he should be getting the chance and thrown in as well.

 

[StartingPrice]

Guys help me out here as I don't get to see a lot of our youth team.

There seems to be an inevitability especially with most premiership teams that very rarely does a player break through the ranks and go onto become a valuable first team member (Caulker doesn't count as an example as he's peripheral atm)

If any of you with good knowledge of our youth set-up had to pinpoint one player you genuinely believe could/will become a top premiership player who would it be?

Also on a side note I really liked the look of Harry Winks in that video

To give a simple answer, first, the player seen by many as the most likely to make the grade at the highest level is Alex Pritchard (if he can stay fit). I agree, but, personally, I am a big fan of Tom Carroll. But the important thing, as I said above, is that there is no easy answer because we have so many genuinely exciting players coming through.

To give a longer answer, that you probably wouldn't want, I don't think the idea is to look for one player to break-through at all. Rather, I would say that the whole purpose of the changes made to the youth set-up are to make it productive in an absolute sense, in the long term, and that includes players for the 1st team, 1st team squad and to sell for a reasonable fee. If the alternative was to produce a player like Ledley every ten years and naff all else, I suspect Levy would have just closed the academy and concentrated on buying lads in at 18 YO-ish. So the success, or otherwise, or the policy doesn't really depend on producing one stand-out player for the 1st team, once. My guess would be, maybe one genuine 1st teamer and a couple of squad players, every two years, and the majority of others being decent salable assets.

I'm not sure you should be writing Caulker off - he's got plenty of time.

Yes, that'd be perfect for Levy as he won't need to buy and will have a constant stream of revenue through sales.

As per my answer, above, I think that is the plan.
I wouldn't see it as anything negative - we just can not compete on prices with the Uniteds, Citehs and Chelsea of this World. We can compete if we identify and acquire suitable players at a young age, and it will allow what money we do have to be spent more wisely on filling the squad out judiciously, rather than trying to build a squad from scratch. Why would a club chairman want to waste money on an unproductive academy?

 

[leffe186]

Used a quick wiki for their team and the ages given in this thread for ours, so the usual provisos:

Gulacsi - (22) Vigouroux (19)
McLaughlin - (18) Fredericks (20)
Jones - (17) Hall (21)
Sama - (20) Fryers (20)
Roddan - (19) Barthram (19)
Teixera - (20) Dombaxe (17)
Coady - (20) Veljkovic (17)
Adorjan - (20) Ceballos (20)
Peterson - (18) Bentelab (18)
Morgan - (18) McEvoy (18)
Ibe - (17) Coulthirst (18)

Virtually the same really. We're fractionally younger (ave. age 18.8 vs 19), but both had two 17-year-olds and three 18-year-olds playing.

EDIT: I should add, the key comparisons are not necessarily age but (a) How many players who are better could have been playing if not on loan? (b) How many players still have time to develop before being over-21? We do much better on the first, and only one player from each side (at most) needs to be loaned out/first team next season.

 

[Romulus]

as the official site is so crap with updates i thought id let u guys know we finished second bottom in the Aegon Future Cup after beating Barcelona 1-0 in the 7/8th place game. it was our one and only goal in the tourney, in 4 games

 

[mpickard2087]

as the official site is so crap with updates i thought id let u guys know we finished second bottom in the Aegon Future Cup after beating Barcelona 1-0 in the 7/8th place game

What age group was this?

 

[Romulus]

U17

 

[DEFchenkOE]

As unlikely as it is but I hope that a lot of these kids can make it to the first team. It's a lot more satisfying getting to see these kids at u18, u21 level etc coming through the club and making it to the first team than buying average to good ready made players. Obviously we still need to buy players sometimes but I hope we really put emphasis on the youth. Villa have kind of done it a bit too much with their youngsters this season but in winning the next gen it looks like they could have another decent batch coming through.

 

[Legend10]

As unlikely as it is but I hope that a lot of these kids can make it to the first team. It's a lot more satisfying getting to see these kids at u18, u21 level etc coming through the club and making it to the first team than buying average to good ready made players. Obviously we still need to buy players sometimes but I hope we really put emphasis on the youth. Villa have kind of done it a bit too much with their youngsters this season but in winning the next gen it looks like they could have another decent batch coming through.

I agree with you and to involve the fans more it would be nice for the club to provide a proper medium for supporters to follow the in particular the u18's and 21's. I personally would much sooner watch them than any Premiership game that didn't involve us.

Spurs u21's v anybody or the usual type of Man u, Chavs crap on sky and i would watch our youngsters any day and I think gives the supporters a real affinity with the players coming through. It would have been nice over the years to see Carrol develop as a player for example and when he stepped into the first team the crowd would i think be thrilled to see him step up!

Currently Spurs tv doesn't do the club justice!

 

[knilly]

I agree with you and to involve the fans more it would be nice for the club to provide a proper medium for supporters to follow the in particular the u18's and 21's. I personally would much sooner watch them than any Premiership game that didn't involve us.

Spurs u21's v anybody or the usual type of Man u, Chavs crap on sky and i would watch our youngsters any day and I think gives the supporters a real affinity with the players coming through. It would have been nice over the years to see Carrol develop as a player for example and when he stepped into the first team the crowd would i think be thrilled to see him step up!

Currently Spurs tv doesn't do the club justice!

This is where Man Utd have really been one step ahead of everyone else.They have televised youth and reserve team games for years, which likes you say gives the supported an affinity with the players before they make the first XI.