Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[beats1]

The part about them being split up.

The development squad will be off doing its own thing I think that Poch wont be looking at them as he will be off with the first team.

I hope that he does watch them but not holding my breath

 

[spurs9]

The development squad will be off doing its own thing I think that Poch wont be looking at them as he will be off with the first team.

I hope that he does watch them but not holding my breath

I think they started pre-season training a few days early, so hopefully he was watching then and based on what he see's and reports from the coaches will invite them to train with the first team.

 

[beats1]

I think they started pre-season training a few days early, so hopefully he was watching then and based on what he see's and reports from the coaches will invite them to train with the first team.

The thing is the squad is huge and I think we have 4 teams atm

First 11

Adebayor

Townsend -------- Eriksen ------- Lamela

Sandro --- Paulinho

Rose -- Vertonghen -- Chiriches -- Walker

Lloris
​

Second 11

Soldado

Chadli -------- Holtby ------- Lennon

Capoue --- Dembele

Ekotto -- Dawson -- Kaboul -- Naughton

Friedel
​

Third 11

Kane

Cebellos -------- Siggy ------- Falque

Bentaleb --- Mason

Fryers -- Ball -- Veljkovic -- Fredericks

Archer
​

Fourth 11(next years development squad and left overs)

Coulthirst

McEvoy -------- Pritchard ------- Oduwa

Winks --- Lesniak

Young -- Ogilvie -- McQueen -- Walker

Miles​

The scary thing is that the 4th eleven has some good player, I just realised I forgot Carroll

 

[spurs9]

The thing is the squad is huge and I think we have 4 teams atm

First 11

Adebayor

Townsend -------- Eriksen ------- Lamela

Sandro --- Paulinho

Rose -- Vertonghen -- Chiriches -- Walker

Lloris
​

Second 11

Soldado

Chadli -------- Holtby ------- Lennon

Capoue --- Dembele

Ekotto -- Dawson -- Kaboul -- Naughton

Friedel
​

Third 11

Kane

Cebellos -------- Siggy ------- Falque

Bentaleb --- Mason

Fryers -- Ball -- Veljkovic -- Fredericks

Archer
​

Fourth 11(next years development squad and left overs)

Coulthirst

McEvoy -------- Pritchard ------- Oduwa

Winks --- Lesniak

Young -- Ogilvie -- McQueen -- Walker

Miles​

The scary thing is that the 4th eleven has some good player, I just realised I forgot Carroll

You also forgot (I know they won't be in our plans but are on our books) Khumalo & Obika.

I was just saying in another thread, we need to get rid of about 10 players plus lose 1 for every player we bring in. In total we have 31 players that require registration to be in the squad, 18 of which don't count as HG.

 

[beats1]

You also forgot (I know they won't be in our plans but are on our books) Khumalo & Obika.

I was just saying in another thread, we need to get rid of about 10 players plus lose 1 for every player we bring in. In total we have 31 players that require registration to be in the squad, 18 of which don't count as HG.

And we are signing Davies, who I don't even think if he would first choice tbh. The way we are looking by the time we get a new stadium, it wont be filled

I didnt forget Khumalo and Obika, I just think they will be let go soon

 

[spurs9]

And we are signing Davies, who I don't even think if he would first choice tbh. The way we are looking by the time we get a new stadium, it wont be filled

I didnt forget Khumalo and Obika, I just think they will be let soon

I really don't want us to sign Davies. We have enough average to good players we need to sign quality and let lots of average go.

In regards to Khumalo & Obika, I have been think that for the last 2 years.

 

[rabbikeane]

Ben Davies won't have to be registered in the 25 man squad btw.
He's in the last year as an U21 player, same age as Harry Kane and Alex Pritchard.

 

[spursfan77]

I agree and hopefully with Poch in (and Sherwood out who many believe was responsible for the loans) poor loans will be a thing of the past with our youngsters will make up the squad more and our signings will be just quality 1st team players (one reason I don't want us to sign Davies).

Wasn't it pretty much Sherwood's main job sorting out the loans for the youngsters?

 

[eddiebailey]

I do see the benefits of having Swindon but think they should be more used for our younger players. Like some of the u18s or u21s we are unsure about. Sending class players like Pritchard there while he may have learned something is somewhat pointless. Think if we couldnt get a Champ loan he should have been kept around the squad or given a chance.

Perhaps, but at Swindon Pritchard did get the chance to shine and show his quality - as I recall he was nominated for League One Player of the Year and was the only League One player nominated for Football League Young Player of the Year. In contrast Livermore regarded his Championship loans as a waste of time and on the evidence of those performances most wrote him off as a Premiership player. T

What is important thing for a young player is to play competitive games, to develop good footballing habits and to be in a sitiation where he is able to draw attention to himself. The Swindon loan achieved all of that for Pritchard, whereas with a Championship loan he could have gone the same way as Smith. There are good footballers who just do not suit the style of play that predominates in the lower leagues. A good example is Kasim: after being released by Spurs and finally picked up by Brighton, he could not get a game, even when loaned out to Macclesfield. But at Swindon where they keep possession and play along the ground he is able to boss games.

 

[jondesouza]

Does anyone know if Coulibaly has signed that contract that we offered him?

 

[Spursidol]

BTW, Spurs u19's will be at Eurofoot http://www.eurofoot2000.be/paginas/eng/editie.html again as part of their pre-season - ist weekend in August

No doubt the usial suspects will be in the squad - but it maybe that we also see players such as .Musa Yahaya and Ismail Azzaoui (both 16) , if indeed they have signed

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The thing is the squad is huge and I think we have 4 teams atm

First 11

Adebayor

Townsend -------- Eriksen ------- Lamela

Sandro --- Paulinho

Rose -- Vertonghen -- Chiriches -- Walker

Lloris
​

Second 11

Soldado

Chadli -------- Holtby ------- Lennon

Capoue --- Dembele

Ekotto -- Dawson -- Kaboul -- Naughton

Friedel
​

Third 11

Kane

Cebellos -------- Siggy ------- Falque

Bentaleb --- Mason

Fryers -- Ball -- Veljkovic -- Fredericks

Archer
​

Fourth 11(next years development squad and left overs)

Coulthirst

McEvoy -------- Pritchard ------- Oduwa

Winks --- Lesniak

Young -- Ogilvie -- McQueen -- Walker

Miles​

The scary thing is that the 4th eleven has some good player, I just realised I forgot Carroll

Townsend in the first 11 ? Mason as a CM2 ?

 

[beats1]

Townsend in the first 11 ? Mason as a CM2 ?

He would be in my first 11, I don't know how he has gone from one of our best players on here to our worst despite in that time he didnt play

Mason played there for Swindon and our U21's. I was just trying to fit everyone in

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He would be in my first 11, I don't know how he has gone from one of our best players on here to our worst despite in that time he didnt play

Mason played there for Swindon and our U21's. I was just trying to fit everyone in

The answer to that is that he was never one of our best players. It was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lots of whizzing around with his head up his arse to very little effect. He looked a damn sight more promising as an inverted wide man than he ever did as a winger but just no brain and no vision.

I'd sooner play Pritchard who has as much confidence, technique but also gets his head up. But I'd like to see Chadli given a decent few games in his more natural ALM role as well. And Cabellos. All ahead of Townsend there for me, who if I'm honest, I wouldn't mind if we sold along with Lennon.

if your playing a 4231 (which all your formations are) he's surely in the "3", no ? I think he played there even for Swindon didn't he ? There's no way he's robust enough to play in a CM2.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The thing is the squad is huge and I think we have 4 teams atm

First 11

Adebayor

Townsend -------- Eriksen ------- Lamela

Sandro --- Paulinho

Rose -- Vertonghen -- Chiriches -- Walker

Lloris
​

Second 11

Soldado

Chadli -------- Holtby ------- Lennon

Capoue --- Dembele

Ekotto -- Dawson -- Kaboul -- Naughton

Friedel
​

Third 11

Kane

Cebellos -------- Siggy ------- Falque

Bentaleb --- Mason

Fryers -- Ball -- Veljkovic -- Fredericks

Archer
​

Fourth 11(next years development squad and left overs)

Coulthirst

McEvoy -------- Pritchard ------- Oduwa

Winks --- Lesniak

Young -- Ogilvie -- McQueen -- Walker

Miles​

The scary thing is that the 4th eleven has some good player, I just realised I forgot Carroll

Which Walker'd first choice and which is fourth ?

 

[beats1]

The answer to that is that he was never one of our best players. It was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lots of whizzing around with his head up his arse to very little effect. He looked a damn sight more promising as an inverted wide man than he ever did as a winger but just no brain and no vision.

I'd sooner play Pritchard who has as much confidence, technique but also gets his head up. But I'd like to see Chadli given a decent few games in his more natural ALM role as well. And Cabellos. All ahead of Townsend there for me, who if I'm honest, I wouldn't mind if we sold along with Lennon.

if your playing a 4231 (which all your formations are) he's surely in the "3", no ? I think he played there even for Swindon didn't he ? There's no way he's robust enough to play in a CM2.

Nah he played in the 2 with Carroll for the U21's and played CM for Swindon when they didnt start Luongo and Kasim

As for Townsend cant agree, he played with his head for his whole U21, U18 and U16 career but because one half season under a manager who likes his rw to cut and shoot and be greedy. (complaints of all avb's teams has been the RW is greedy, even when hulk was the top scorer in the Portuguese league). Though townsend was the worse of any AVB RW but that said he was still one of our best players, he did much better under Roy as well with less shots and more crosses.

Which Walker'd first choice and which is fourth ?

Kyle walker first choice and KWP 4th choice

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Nah he played in the 2 with Carroll for the U21's and played CM for Swindon when they didnt start Luongo and Kasim

As for Townsend cant agree, he played with his head for his whole U21, U18 and U16 career but because one half season under a manager who likes his rw to cut and shoot and be greedy. (complaints of all avb's teams has been the RW is greedy, even when hulk was the top scorer in the Portuguese league). Though townsend was the worse of any AVB RW but that said he was still one of our best players, he did much better under Roy as well with less shots and more crosses.

Kyle walker first choice and KWP 4th choice

With all due respect, blaming Townsend's inability to get his head up on AVB is bullshit Beats. He was the same way, way before AVB rode into town.

This Sep 2012 but was referring to Townsend pre AVB.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ns-article-on-spurs.90386/page-3#post-2997205

 

[TottenhamLegend]

BTW, Spurs u19's will be at Eurofoot http://www.eurofoot2000.be/paginas/eng/editie.html again as part of their pre-season - ist weekend in August

No doubt the usial suspects will be in the squad - but it maybe that we also see players such as .Musa Yahaya and Ismail Azzaoui (both 16) , if indeed they have signed

Had planned to go to this, but looking unlikely now

Which Walker'd first choice and which is fourth ?

Kyle Walker-Peters 4th choice I'd assume.

 

[Spursidol]

With all due respect, blaming Townsend's inability to get his head up on AVB is bullshit Beats. He was the same way, way before AVB rode into town.

This Sep 2012 but was referring to Townsend pre AVB.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ns-article-on-spurs.90386/page-3#post-2997205

Yes at that kind of time probably 75% of the Board wre on Townsend's back - and equally on the back of the other club trained players or other young players.

It seems that for most of those posters who are 'allergic' to youngsters , unless its a player with an international pedigre with a £m price tage he's 'no good' and 'not wanted by Spurs'., there is no appetite by these people to give younsters time to develop.

With Townsend that seemed to stop after a decent loan spell with QPR. and I was pleased with an excellent first performance for Spurs in 13/14 against Dinamo Tiblisi where he scored a very good break away goal, but perhaps more importantly (for his position) he put in 2 very good crosses from outside the opposition full back to allow firstly Paulhino and then Soldado to score. So a goal and 2 assists in his first game.

However after that it is evident that he was told by the AVB coiaching team to change his play to being an inverted winger and to shoot from outside the box unless there were very good opportuinities to pass - which of course with Soldado almost always isolated in the box (a long thread on this as you know) and usually nobody else close to the box, which wasted most attacking plays, Sadly Townssend was often the main attacking threat. And it's definitely an AVB #thing' as @beats1 has pointed out at every previous team coached by AVB the right winger has done the same.

I'm hoping that Poch will be able to coach him out of that ridiculous shoot on sight idea - fortunately Townsend on loan to lower league clubs was not doing that so it may not be too ingrained, but who knows.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yes at that kind of time probably 75% of the Board wre on Townsend's back - and equally on the back of the other club trained players or other young players.

It seems that for most of those posters who are 'allergic' to youngsters , unless its a player with an international pedigre with a £m price tage he's 'no good' and 'not wanted by Spurs'., there is no appetite by these people to give younsters time to develop.

With Townsend that seemed to stop after a decent loan spell with QPR. and I was pleased with an excellent first performance for Spurs in 13/14 against Dinamo Tiblisi where he scored a very good break away goal, but perhaps more importantly (for his position) he put in 2 very good crosses from outside the opposition full back to allow firstly Paulhino and then Soldado to score. So a goal and 2 assists in his first game.

However after that it is evident that he was told by the AVB coiaching team to change his play to being an inverted winger and to shoot from outside the box unless there were very good opportuinities to pass - which of course with Soldado almost always isolated in the box (a long thread on this as you know) and usually nobody else close to the box, which wasted most attacking plays, Sadly Townssend was often the main attacking threat. And it's definitely an AVB #thing' as @beats1 has pointed out at every previous team coached by AVB the right winger has done the same.

I'm hoping that Poch will be able to coach him out of that ridiculous shoot on sight idea - fortunately Townsend on loan to lower league clubs was not doing that so it may not be too ingrained, but who knows.

That is, as you know, nonsense. In his and his dad's own words at the time, he was being encouraged to vary his game.

His crosses in that Tbilisi game both came from that right side I believe, were a perfect example of variation possible. If he'd continued that variation and shown better composure we would have all been happy. But he didn't. He continually tried the ridiculous, made poor/wrong choices repeatedly. He had a very good run, but was constantly unproductive.


I could defend his selection ahead I'd Lennon, who'd had several years of un productivity but that doesn't mean Townsend was the long term solution. He isn't.

There is probably no one more pro chance for the kids than me, but that doesn't mean disconnecting your brain. Townsend has had more chance than most will get and clearly doesn't use his head enough.