Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[elDiablo]

Coulthirst is only just 18 so almost certainly still growing and putting on muscle.

But at the moment think he is close to 6 foot and looks sturdy with quite good upper body strength for his age - not sure he has ever played in any 'adult' games (at least any open to the public) so its quite possible (even likely) that at his age he might struggle with the physicality at this age still (but at his current rate of advancement IMO he is likely to be loaned out next season, possibly after involvement in some of Spurs pre-season)

He's good leading the line (which is his usual position) but also as a right sided forward - can head the ball and score with either foot. Also creates chances. Hard worker, lots of movement off the ball.

Spurs supporter and sems to have his feet well on the ground. Has often captained Spurs youth sides. Usually looks to be one of the best in his age group. Overall have never heard any Spurs youth watcher say anything negative about him, only good things.

Brilliant thanks for info. With him and coulibaly, you would hope one of them turns out to be decent PL striker. God knows we are due one.

 

[Spursidol]

Several other u21 games today L:

Liverpool U21s 3 West Ham U21s 3
Arsenal v Southampton - this evening 7pm
ManU v Wolves - this evening 7 pm

Looks like an evening to have a second team - become a Wolves supporter for the evening !

 

[carpediem991]

What is the Swindon story with Parrett and Ceballos involved?

 

[Spursidol]

Brilliant thanks for info. With him and coulibaly, you would hope one of them turns out to be decent PL striker. God knows we are due one.

ATM the smart money is probably on Coulthirst to be a success, although certainly wouldn't rule out Coulibaly making it (but he seems to offer less as a striker).

But both only 18 so many more twists and turns are possible.

 

[Spursidol]

What is the Swindon story with Parrett and Ceballos involved?

See article from Swindon local paper I posted earlier today. Rumours of loans for both, Swndon pushing for both to be concluded tomorrow. But it is only newpaper talk at present

 

[Spursidol]

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UNDER-21S 4-0 WBA

Posted 11 March 2013 3:40pm

Jack Munns struck twice as our Under-21s enjoyed a convincing 4-0 win against West Brom in the Barclays U21 Premier League on Monday.

The forward made it five goals in his last three starts in bitterly-cold conditions at the Training Centre as the team registered a fifth win in seven matches in the Elite Group.

Tom Huddlestone returned to action with a 45-minute shift and Tom Carroll played 60 minutes.

Playing with a strong wind behind them in the first half, the lads slowly built pressure before opening the scoring in the 23rd minute.

Wesley Atkinson made a double block to deny Carroll and Shaq Coulthirst, Nabil Bentaleb was denied by goalkeeper Luke Daniels and we then struck the woodwork twice in as many minutes as Grant Hall's header from Carroll's cross clipped the top of the crossbar before Carroll's 20-yarder flicked the left upright.

The deadlock was broken midway through the half as Carroll drove a low pass into Coulthirst, he touched it into the path of Munns who made no mistake with a sure sidefoot finish into the corner.

West Brom were always tidy in possession and created half-chances in the first half - Kemar Roofe might have done better from Adil Nabi's cutback. Nabi later shot wide from Scott Allan's pass and then shot straight at Jonathan Miles from the edge of the box.

Milos Veljkovic replaced Huddlestone for the second half as our midfield continued to impress.

We doubled the lead on 54 minutes as Carroll released Nathan Byrne down the left and his low cross was fired home at the far post by Kenny McEvoy.

Five minutes later and Munns was there again for 3-0, taking full advantage of a fantastic pass from Carroll to pick him out centrally in the penalty area. Munns, in space, controlled and drilled high past Daniels.

Giancarlo Gallifuoco replaced Carroll on 62 minutes and delivered the pass of the day for the fourth goal.

Picking up the ball just inside the Baggies' half, Gallifuoco clipped the ball between defenders into the path of Coulthirst, who controlled on his chest and blasted home.

A fine goal to complete a good afternoon's work.

Spurs U21: Miles; Fredericks, Fryers, Hall (Stewart, 75), Byrne; Bentaleb, Huddlestone (Veljkovic, 46), Carroll (Gallifuoco, 75); McEvoy, Coulthirst, Munns. Unused sub: Vigouroux.

West Brom: Daniels, Francis (S Nabi, 62), Smart, Birch, Atkinson, Jones, Roofe, Allan, Sawyers, A Nabi, Brown. Unused subs: McCalla, Lewis, Wedderburn, Barrow.

 

[SlickMongoose]

If the Swindon rumours are correct I hope it's because the new manager wants them, rather than the new owner trying to get new players in to keep the fans happy.

 

[Spursidol]

If the Swindon rumours are correct I hope it's because the new manager wants them, rather than the new owner trying to get new players in to keep the fans happy.

Agreed......and the manager plays them !

If they don't play, it would probably be better to keep them with u 21's

 

[beats1]

http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/10279729.Town_target_Spurs_trio/?ref=rss

Interesting one. Swindon after Parrett, Ceballos and another midfielder on looans, allegedly because they are subject to a transfer ban and want to re-inforce their promotion push from League 1 to the Championship. The article also says they want to complete pne or more of the loans by tomorrow when they play Brentford.

This would be Ceballos fiirst loan and might give him just enough time to show that he is good enough/impresses enough to play in the Championship next season, so I could understand that one. Parrett has already 'done' League 1 - but maybe if there have not been too many 'takers' for him in the Championshp this is seen as a way to give him some League 1 mnutes - and even play for Swindon next season on loan in the Championship.

From the article it sounds as if we will hear about it soon enough.

I am still puzzled why if Di Canio quit because of lack of money and they sent Bostoick back because they could not afford his wages why they can suddently afford 3 players on loan - unless we loan them for free or almost free to build up another relkationship with a Championship club (hoping they can afford to pay for the players wages next season !). Pinch of salt required ??!

I was hoping that cebellos would go to the La Liga second division first tbh but should be interesting

As for Parrett he excelled in that league for Charlton years ago and was often motm, but his career has moved on since despite him doing well for the U21's, another case of the Bostock's it seems

 

[panoma]

Swindons new manager seems to have a good track record for including and getting a lot out of younger players, so its probably he who want the spurs trio. If our coaches let them go its obvious they are well aware how succesful swindons new coach has been with this kind of players earlier.
Atleast thats how a lot of swindon fans see it, all in the comments under the original article.

 

[Spursidol]

I was hoping that cebellos would go to the La Liga second division first tbh but should be interesting

As for Parrett he excelled in that league for Charlton years ago and was often motm, but his career has moved on since despite him doing well for the U21's, another case of the Bostock's it seems

Yes, not sure how well suited Ceballos is to English football (he always seemed to end any gane I have seen him with the cleanest shirt !), so he may well be better suited to Spanish football, But lets see !

Parrett excelled at Charltoni but only played about 10 games at end of season (2 years ago ?), shame he didn't stay following season on loan. Last season when he should have kicked on, he had a good pre-season E u20 tournament but his injury there took him out until pretty much until Christmas, and after that the Yeovil loan which ended prematurely, but not his fault really. The last 3-6 months in u 21's Parrett seems to have got much better.

Don't think you can equate Bostock and Parrett at all though. Big problem for Parrett now is that Spurs have so many good centre midfield players/no 10's coming through in almost all the age groups. Wouldn't mind seeing him in pre-season playing with Spurs first team and then seeing where he could go on loan......but it would have to be to a Championship side as he's now 21.

 

[Spursidol]

Ray Lo's usual excellent deetailed report on the u21's 4-0 victory over WBA today

http://www.spursodyssey.com/1213/u21wb110313.html#.UT4obIpG_CE.twitter

 

[Spursidol]

Several other u21 games today L:

Liverpool U21s 3 West Ham U21s 3
Arsenal v Southampton - this evening 7pm
ManU v Wolves - this evening 7 pm

Looks like an evening to have a second team - become a Wolves supporter for the evening !

Wolves u21's drew away against Manchester United, ManU are now 2nd on 12 points from 7 matches - Spurs are on 19 points from their 8 games played.

Spurs goal difffeence in the Elite group is now +13, more than ManU have scored which is 9 goals (Spurs have scored 25 goals).

The other match inn Elite Group ended Arsenal 2 - 0 Southampton, lifting Arsenal off the bottom of the table - they now have 6 points from 6 games. Youth is certainly not so strong as it was eh Arsene ? !

 

[beats1]

Don't think you can equate Bostock and Parrett at all though. Big problem for Parrett now is that Spurs have so many good centre midfield players/no 10's coming through in almost all the age groups. Wouldn't mind seeing him in pre-season playing with Spurs first team and then seeing where he could go on loan......but it would have to be to a Championship side as he's now 21.

I agree but what I meant was both showed early promise but for one reason, it just seemed not to work despite on the pitch playing alright, I still think parrett could cut at the championship but find it strange as to why he hasn't made the step up especially when Freund singled him, carroll and Luongo for praise the other week to make the step for cover if we needed it.

I agree about us having good CM's, a couple of seasons of back it was clear we would have one or two CM coming from our academy, even Kasim was playing well a couple season back before going to brighton. It doesn't help the older prospects when the younger are playing very well but theres no helping this and shows that our academy is doing well, as not many clubs have this issue.

I would be interested if someone like Bostock and Mason were to leave this coming window, if they would have a buy back clause as this is a common practice elsewhere like Barca who like the above point are realising they cant keep all their prospects and develop them.

 

[RussJames]

Tony Boxall does a great job of describing individual player performances in our match today against West Brom...

http://tottenhamlive.com/review/727-u21-spurs-4-0-wba.html

"Carroll was a lynch pin with great awareness and vision in an altogether impressive midfield.

Apart from a couple of, ‘moments’, Zeki Fryers had a solid game at centre half, strong in the air, powerful runs out of defence with the ball and spraying some delicious cross field passes to the right wing.

Jack Munns had another good game, always looking lively, his predatory instincts were to the fore as he bagged a couple of goals, the first a neat finish after some good approach play, his second was an example of cool, calm, and collected finishing from close in.

Shaquile Coulthirst ran all day; he had some good link up play with Nathan Byrne and was unlucky to have a couple of shots blocked when it looked like he would score. He did get his reward near the end, getting on the end of an exquisite pass from Gallifuoco and scoring a goal his performance deserved.

For someone of such a tender age, the quality and composure of Nabil Bentaleb was there for all to see. He always made himself available in the midfield, picking up the ball from the back four to start a strong run or launch an incisive pass.

He is strong on the ball and combative in his quest to wrest possession from the opposition, a very impressive performance."

 

[Spursidol]

I agree but what I meant was both showed early promise but for one reason, it just seemed not to work despite on the pitch playing alright, I still think parrett could cut at the championship but find it strange as to why he hasn't made the step up especially when Freund singled him, carroll and Luongo for praise the other week to make the step for cover if we needed it.

I agree about us having good CM's, a couple of seasons of back it was clear we would have one or two CM coming from our academy, even Kasim was playing well a couple season back before going to brighton. It doesn't help the older prospects when the younger are playing very well but theres no helping this and shows that our academy is doing well, as not many clubs have this issue.

I would be interested if someone like Bostock and Mason were to leave this coming window, if they would have a buy back clause as this is a common practice elsewhere like Barca who like the above point are realising they cant keep all their prospects and develop them.

Agreed Parrett is not outperforming his contemporaries as might have been expected - but I think he came to a strong academy at Spurs so actually was never better than Spurs best such as Caulker, Townsend et al. Maybe he didn't really try as hard as he could have done for a year or so through thinking that he had 'made it' at Spurs after being bought from QPR. If so, think he put that behing him this season and in the last 3-6 months has looked good. That is why I think we should put him on a new contract and see where he gets to next season.

Next season the other CM's pressing his position will be Luongo (but he will be loaned out), Bentelab,and Dombaxe (but they will not be loaned out next season), and Ball/Veljkovic (if played as CM's rather than CB's). The only player of comparable experience and caliber likely to be vying with him for loan experience/Spurs first team opportunity is likely to be Mason - so I think the position is manageable for Spurs for at least a season, and after that it depends how Parrett performs.

Bostock is gone in practice, and doubt if he will become a 'top player', although if he tries hard he may get back to being in the Championship - in the last 3 years I doubt if he's played more than 3 good matches in a row, so a big ask to get him to play consistently. Not sure we neeed a buy back clause for him !.

A buyback clause is one way to sell a player, a 'sell on clause' (I understand we get a big % if GDS moves on) is another way to do a deal. But in a sense a 'buy back' clause is not too dissimilar to a loan - I'm sure Levy has thiought of it too though.

 

[Spursidol]

Tony Boxall does a great job of describing individual player performances in our match today against West Brom...

http://tottenhamlive.com/review/727-u21-spurs-4-0-wba.html

"Carroll was a lynch pin with great awareness and vision in an altogether impressive midfield.

Apart from a couple of, ‘moments’, Zeki Fryers had a solid game at centre half, strong in the air, powerful runs out of defence with the ball and spraying some delicious cross field passes to the right wing.

Jack Munns had another good game, always looking lively, his predatory instincts were to the fore as he bagged a couple of goals, the first a neat finish after some good approach play, his second was an example of cool, calm, and collected finishing from close in.

Shaquile Coulthirst ran all day; he had some good link up play with Nathan Byrne and was unlucky to have a couple of shots blocked when it looked like he would score. He did get his reward near the end, getting on the end of an exquisite pass from Gallifuoco and scoring a goal his performance deserved.

For someone of such a tender age, the quality and composure of Nabil Bentaleb was there for all to see. He always made himself available in the midfield, picking up the ball from the back four to start a strong run or launch an incisive pass.

He is strong on the ball and combative in his quest to wrest possession from the opposition, a very impressive performance."

The report is a good read. Tony Boxall was less reserved about Hiddlestone's performance on twitter, can't find the exact tweets but he said Huddlestone's lack of mobility was very visible against the likes of Carroll, seeming lack of interest etc.

 

[kr1978]

Jack munns is having a great run at the moment-seems to have slotted into the u21s with little difficulty this year.

Spursidol (or anyone else who knows) did we pay for him or just nick him from orient??

 

[Snarfalicious]

Nabil Bentaleb I feel will be a true name to watch. Looking at his frame, he just looks the part. And, judging from his performances, he's more than just a good body as well.

 

[RussJames]

Nabil Bentaleb I feel will be a true name to watch. Looking at his frame, he just looks the part. And, judging from his performances, he's more than just a good body as well.

This sounds like an assessment from a porn talent agency. Lol

I feel of all our U18s at the moment Veljkovic, Bentaleb, McEvoy, and Coulthirst will be the ones that will have the best opportunities to break into our first team in the coming years... bright future ahead, and this new U21 and U19 NextGen setup should help a ton in advancing our young'uns along..