Match Threads Spurs vs Arsenal

[spurs mental]

I still don’t even think it was bloody offside.

To be honest, and I'm going to sound very tin hat here, the images we were given on tv and online showing the offside were dreadfully blurry. Usually they are clear and it's easy to see. But anything I've seen that's been released doesn't show anything.

 

[Styopa]

Still seething that both the VDV goal gets disallowed (Tomiyasu tries to clear it, he just fucks it up, and we're the ones punished for that?) and the Kulu pen gets ignored and we're then 0-2 down within about three minutes. How do you stand a chance when that happens?

Yeah. They are the kind of pivotal moments matches turn on. For us to lose out on both calls and lose out on them at home was the luck Arsenal needed to take a 3-0 lead.

For sure we played our part in our own downfall but the score isn’t 3-0 at HT if those decisions had gone differently, and then we are into hypotheticals about how the rest of the match would have played out.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Thought it was odd we didn't see a proper replay of the Kulu pen incident until about 10-15 mins later.

I didn't celebrate VDV goal had a feeling they'd rule it out, bastards. Encouraging enough display yesterday though bar the set piece defending. Now lets go and smash Chelsea and Liverpool.

 

[philll]

Thought it was odd we didn't see a proper replay of the Kulu pen incident until about 10-15 mins later

And Lee Dixon of all people was adamant that it should've been a pen.

 

[bigfrooj]

I mean, it was a very similar barge to the one in the lead up to Chelsea's winner against Villa yesterday, wasn't it? So if that one wasn't given, we can't complain. Oh wait...

Better than Maddison maybe, but disagree about Bentancur. For me, Hojbjerg Is massively at fault for the Saka goal. He is right next to him as Arsenal start developing the move and just lets him run off into acres of open space, and jogs back so slowly he even gets overtaken by another Arsenal player. That's about as crap as it gets.

Maybe. I haven’t had any pundits telling me what happened yet In micro detail. I watched it in the stadium and haven’t watched any TV highlights. I was watching what was going on pitch wide not what tv cameras were highlighting on and wasn’t highlighting every weakness in slow motion. I’ll have a look probably but I can only comment at the moment on what I saw in the stadium with all the emotion of a live spectacle. Holjbjerg was doing the work of two men while Bentancur and Maddison fannied about - two of my favourite players usually by the way. He picked himself up after the horror of the own goal and he worked his socks off. He doesn’t have the silky football skills of Lolo and Madders but he didn‘t shirk anything. Why people want scapegoats I have no idea, never have, but he doesn’t deserve it when there are plenty in front of him.

 

[Dov67]

I went to an event at Wembley a couple of weeks ago, with Howard Webb and Anthony Taylor - it was a corporate breakfast thing for the charity the Twinning Probject (https://www.twinningproject.org/ - brilliant charity BTW!!

The basic theme was that a referees job is very difficult and they can have a bad day and make mistakes just like everyone else.

Fair enough, cannot argue with that.

However, if this is just a bad day and these are honest mistakes, then one would expect those mistakes to fall roughly evenly between both sides. If 80/90% of these honest mistakes favour one side and penalise another then, it is entirely reasonable to be suspicious.

I dont think Oliver was bribed, or got a deposit into a Cayman account, but did he ref that game without bias or favour??

Every major decision went against us…..every one!

• Fouling VIc - nothing given
• VDV goal - FFS, you have to be kidding me
• Romero fouled when his header hit the post
• Deki penalty
• Time wasting is allowed when the goons do it
• 7 subs, one VAR decision and 30 secs taken for each goal kick - 6 mins stoppage time
• Davies gets kicked in the nuts 3 feet from Oliver - nah! That’s not a penalty!!

These decision, in a 5 min period completely flipped the game on its head.

If half of those decisions went for us and half for the goons, then OK. He’s just had a stinker - but all of them??

 

[Cavehillspur]

And Lee Dixon of all people was adamant that it should've been a pen.

Lee Dixon City fan lol Alot of people saying same, doesn't help us much now, that transition of play fucked us, wed have at least drew it we got that pen and scored.

 

[djhotspur]

On another day we win that. Too many pivotal moments went against us, and went for them. You need some luck in the big games and first half we didn’t get it.
I think if we get the game back to 1-1 we win it personally, arsenal looked so nervous until they scored a very lucky goal and I think if Romero scores the header or the vdv goal stands we kick on and win.
Sadly Davies was never the answer at LB he should have played Emerson. Guys like Davies we need to move on.

 

[bigfrooj]

I barely even celebrated, whereas usually I’d have been going nuts

just had a feeling

We are in the Park Lane so obviously a very long way from that end but it genuinely looked like it was a skewed clearance, ping ponged about a little and then fell for Mickey. We couldnt see anything wrong and the celebrations were absolutely chaotic. Coming down after that is so shattering.

 

[spurs mental]

Coming down after that is so shattering.

That and it gave them a lift as well when we were utterly dominant. The momentum shift a decision like that gives a team can't be understated.

 

[KirstyG]

I've not read through the 100 odd pages I missed during the match, but the big thing for me was the push on Romero when he headed against the post. It looked like Partey just looked at him and not the ball and shoved him as he was in the air? Am I misremembering/wearing the rose tinted spectacles as it's barely been mentioned on socials etc It seemed obvious and it seems it wasn't looked at.

At the end of the day, we gave it to them, they barely had to work for their goals at all or much in the game. Son super disappointed me tbh. That blaze over when through was agonising (difficult finish but not like he cant do that) Great guy, great quality, likeable, marketable but not the type of leader i'd follow. He would be the glue that holds the team but not the one i'd really listen to if needed to pull my socks up etc. Everyone is different but Romero has shown through his improvement in temperament that he is more of a leader for me.

That said, Son's game is about pace and space. He needs another occupy the defenders especially when they are good quality defenders. Richarlison does that and he should have been on from the start if he was fit enough. Kulu was doing his best to hold the ball up and drive it forward but more from a wide position. Son is at his electric best when can get a bit of room to drive forward. That's on Ange for me.

 

[Dov67]

We are in the Park Lane so obviously a very long way from that end but it genuinely looked like it was a skewed clearance, ping ponged about a little and then fell for Mickey. We couldnt see anything wrong and the celebrations were absolutely chaotic. Coming down after that is so shattering.

I didn’t KNOW it was offside or marginal, I didn’t see anything in particular in real time, but just had a funny feeling, a 6th sense that they would try and find, something, anything to rule it out.

I jumped up, but i was subdued.

I was a huge supporter of VAR initially, because I thought the men in black on the pitch were mostly morons. However, those same morons are at Stockley Park ruining the game for everyone. Pre-VAR that goal is given, the place goes nuts, the game swings our way, and NOBODY complains about offside.

 

[djhotspur]

I've not read through the 100 odd pages I missed during the match, but the big thing for me was the push on Romero when he headed against the post. It looked like Partey just looked at him and not the ball and shoved him as he was in the air? Am I misremembering/wearing the rose tinted spectacles as it's barely been mentioned on socials etc It seemed obvious and it seems it wasn't looked at.

At the end of the day, we gave it to them, they barely had to work for their goals at all or much in the game. Son super disappointed me tbh. Great guy, great quality, likeable, marketable but not the type of leader i'd follow. He would be the glue that holds the team but not the one i'd really listen to if needed to pull my socks up etc. Everyone is different but Romero has shown through his improvement in temperament that he is more of a leader for me.

That said, Son's game is about pace and space. He needs another occupy the defenders especially when they are good quality defenders. Richarlison does that and he should have been on from the start if he was fit enough. Kulu was doing his best to hold the ball up and drive it forward but more from a wide position. Son is at his electric best when can get a bit of room to drive forward. That's on Ange for me.

No I picked up on that….. how you can do that is beyond me, you aren’t challenging for a ball… you are physically pushing two handed last ditch to push a player going for a shot… it’s just not acceptable. I do not understand the rules on the box any more quite frankly

 

[KirstyG]

No I picked up on that….. how you can do that is beyond me, you aren’t challenging for a ball… you are physically pushing two handed last ditch to push a player going for a shot… it’s just not acceptable. I do not understand the rules on the box any more quite frankly

Not even protecting himself because Romero wasn't even on top of him or anything.

 

[spurs mental]

Not even protecting himself because Romero wasn't even on top of him or anything.

More or less the same foul was given against Chelsea on Saturday night

 

[muppetman]

No I picked up on that….. how you can do that is beyond me, you aren’t challenging for a ball… you are physically pushing two handed last ditch to push a player going for a shot… it’s just not acceptable. I do not understand the rules on the box any more quite frankly

I think this is part of the issue now, the rules seem to be really flexible and allow the ref's to do whatever they see fit. Sometimes a challenge is a foul, sometimes it's a card and sometimes it's totally ignored. I've also never understood why something is a foul in the centre circle but gets ignored in the box.

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[djhotspur]

Not even protecting himself because Romero wasn't even on top of him or anything.

Exactly, he gets beaten by the cross and just pushes him as a last ditch challenge with force. It’s desperate. If Romero is going for a shot and partey does that it’s a pen all day long

 

[cozzo]

So frustrating, on another day we would have won convincingly. Arsenal got the rub of the green

 

[14/04/91]

Officiating was a joke but we simply have to get better at defending the transition.
For the 2nd goal, Arsenal cleared the ball and Davies was isolated against Saka. It was naive, amateur and unacceptable.

Look at how quickly Arsenal get men back when they lose possession; umpteen times in the 1st half we got the ball and were faced with 9/10 red shirts. We didn’t move the ball quick enough but even so, they move up & back down the pitch as a unit extremely well.

He can’t ignore the need to defend better as a team. What concerns me somewhat is he’s had lots of time on the training pitch and if anything, we look more vulnerable. Ok we need some better players in key positions but the team structure isn’t good enough.

 

[jolsnogross]

Jesus, VAR is ruining this game alright, and the post match discussion of it. Ange is right about that much at least.

The time and word count dedicated to complaining about the ref on here is ridiculous. Because of VAR, every fucking teams fans are now constantly spouting victim hood and conspiracy about every decision, big and small, that goes against your team.

The pen wasn't that big of a fuck up. That video one page back is hilarious - nobody in the crowd from behind the goal could make a call on the because it's not viewable from there, but everyone immediately screams for a pen. Then the players are dancing and arm waving to kick up a fuss. These things happen in an instant and while it was a pen, the refs rely on var now when in doubt.

We lost, despite a spirited comeback, because we're fairly poor in attack, very open at conceding chances, and like an underage team defending corners at the moment. Not because the ref is a bug-eyed partisan or incompetent hack trying to screw us over.