Match Threads Spurs vs Chelsea - Day 11

[jolsnogross]

If Hoddle said that he is wrong, he's looking at it from the perspective of not wanting to lose the game whereas Postecoglu is looking at it from the perspective of developing his team of playing his football and wanting to win the game to the extent that last night's result wasn't the priority over future results.
I know it's hard for some people to get their head round that concept but it's what Postecoglu has been saying all season if only people would listen.
I just wish Sonny's chance had sneaked in then the entire narrative changes.

It's not hard at all, IMO, but he could undermine that concept by ensuring we played like lambs to the slaughter. A high line tactic only works when opponents dont have all the time in the world to look up and pass it about. It's just dumb when there's no way to pressure the ball with two men fewer. And watching chelsea taking the ball into the net with a series of 2 on 1s was a bit undignified and not helping the concept at all.

It's interesting that some think it was heroic. I thought the loss of our heads after 20 mins was baffling and disappointing. And playing with 10 was terribly loose too. Chelsea are shite in front of goal, but we let them wander away with 4 goals and three points and little reinforcement of the concept because we did some weird shit when it was 11 v 11, let alone 9 v 11.

Do you reckon he'd have changed the halfway high line had we equalized with 9 men? Maybe that was the plan since he has made defensive subs before.

 

[Gb160]

Postecoglu is looking at it from the perspective of developing his team of playing his football and wanting to win the game to the extent that last night's result wasn't the priority over future results.

Nail on the head.

 

[PCozzie]

Thoughts this morning with the Spurs match analysts trying to condense that down into 10 minutes of clips for the team meeting later.

 

[SlotBadger]

What fucked me off last night was how, after going ahead, Chelsea had 3-4 successive chances, yet Sky Sports’ producer was insisting on showing replays of each chance whilst the ball was back in play, so I’ve no idea how we kept losing possession from goal kicks, etc.

Thanks to one of those replays, it showed Romero squandering a long pass immediately before the penalty, but why the actual fuck do TV broadcasts not wait for the ball to be properly dead or, even better, make use of picture-in-picture?

Won’t be long before a team scores a goal while viewers at home are watching a slow motion replay of a player gobbing out phlegm.

 

[robin09]

That game had too much content. Exhausting, headache inducing.

Up to Son's disallowed goal, we were absolutely incredible. The football was breathtaking.

Then our youthful energy and excitement became a negative.

Hopefully we learn from it, especially Romero. VDV injury is the biggest shadow on the match, but we'll just have to adapt.

While the highline tactic appeared suicidal, I think it sent an interesting message to everyone, that we won't back away from Ange's philosophy, or sit back and be passive. MAYBE he leans into it too heavily without the right personnel in future, but it could also be a great reinforcement of our ideals for the squad.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What fucked me off last night was how, after going ahead, Chelsea had 3-4 successive chances, yet Sky Sports’ producer was insisting on showing replays of each chance whilst the ball was back in play, so I’ve no idea how we kept losing possession from goal kicks, etc.

Thanks to one of those replays, it showed Romero squandering a long pass immediately before the penalty, but why the actual fuck do TV broadcasts not wait for the ball to be properly dead or, even better, make use of picture-in-picture?

Won’t be long before a team scores a goal while viewers at home are watching a slow motion replay of a player gobbing out phlegm.

Its all too americanised. More about the controversy and dragging out a story than actual sport.

 

[TonyS]

That game had too much content. Exhausting, headache inducing.

Up to Son's disallowed goal, we were absolutely incredible. The football was breathtaking.

Then our youthful energy and excitement became a negative.

Hopefully we learn from it, especially Romero. VDV injury is the biggest shadow on the match, but we'll just have to adapt.

And we will

 

[JimmyG2]

A Manager and a team and fans drunk on unexpected success.
You have to play the circumstances as well as the rigid theory.
Just as rigid and wrong as Conte.

Into the Valley of Death rode the Lillywhites.
Theirs not to reason why, theirs just to do or die
and they laid down their lives for fuck all.

Jackson a young lad making his way
could have scored 5.
The irony is that Chelsea are not all that
and with a little more organisation and tactical nous
we could have at least drawn.
We had the chances even with 9 men.

Sorry I don't do glorious failure.

 

[spursfan77]

Liverpool showed us a few weeks ago how to defend with 9 men - yes I am aware they still lost but only to a freak 96th minute og.
Some will say that Ange still wanting to play the high line when we have 9 men and our central defensive pairing is Dier & PEH (both of whom performed well but lack pace) is noble - I don't agree. And I can see us crashing down the earth without VDV if we continue with that high line, even with 11 men. What's the saying 'pride comes beforer a fall.

We’ll just have to out score and work harder than the other team. What’s the saying, the best form of defence is attack?

 

[JW72]

Sorry I don't do glorious failure.

"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."

 

[JimmyG2]

"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. At Spurs we set our sights very high, so that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."

But this wasn't about aims.
I t was about tactics in response to a situation.

 

[bubble07]

What was stopping Jackson just standing 25 yards from goal and waiting for a teammate yo break the offside trap, run past him and cut the ball back?

That's not offside is it?

 

[Garbob]

haven't seen any replays or highlights last night. were the offsides actually close? sitting in the stadium it felt like eternity for each of the offside VAR calls.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

we do seem to get bookings a lot easier than the teams we play. Eduard and Hughes on VDV the other week were just as bad as that Romero challenge for me The ball long gone and they’ve gone in to cause some damage around the knee and down the back of the Achilles, no yellow, no review.

Neville was itching to exaggerate everything we did last night for some reason. Curtis Jones’ was very harsh but Romero was a definite red, hmm ok. Udogie’s first one, does he even touch Sterling? Carragher was loving it at half time you could tell.

just looking at that Romero one again this morning he catches him on top of the foot. It’s not even as bad as i thought last night. I can understand the penalty as fouls are generally given for that even if you win the ball.

 

[bubble07]

Also if their goal stood would romero still be sent off?

 

[danielneeds]

Also if their goal stood would romero still be sent off?

Yeah, because it was classed as serious foul play.

 

[amathews3416]

haven't seen any replays or highlights last night. were the offsides actually close? sitting in the stadium it felt like eternity for each of the offside VAR calls.

Both of ours that were disallowed were extremely close. In fact, if you were to say give benefit to the attacker they both would have been allowed. The Caicedo disallowed goal was also just as tight.

 

[Mr Pink]

I was in the south stand and we were eletric up to Son''s goal and then it got a big niggly and we got a little rattled.

We're so use to dominating but it did affect us and then the ill discipline came.

Im sure Ange will get them to learn from that as we're winning that game all day long with 11 on the pitch.

The injury to VDV is a massive disappoinment.

BUT....what an effort from 9 men,, absolutely inspiring...even other fans.

I think last night was hugely significant but not for negative reasons.

It felt the whole Club was together, another level of togetherness.

I got up from my seat and clapped when the third went in and stood for ages applauding the team.

How often do you see that...

When the Club are so together its a powerful affect than anything else.

Roll on Saturday.

COYS

 

[Yiddo100]

Not sure how much truth there is I. It but there’s a rumour going around that Pat Jennings took ill last night before the game. No idea of the level of it but just want to wish the Big Man the very best.

Not sure if anyone has replied but seems he’s on the mend

 

[theShiznit]

Yeah, because it was classed as serious foul play.

IMO it was only classed as serious foul play due to the fact that he had already been booked and VAR can't recommend a second yellow card, and so because he would've gone they upgraded it to red.

We should appeal as the dippers did with Jones, and although it failed, no extra match was added and that tackle was much worse.