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walworthyid

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Hopefully Lamela is now showing those people who seem to think that Lamela is a bale wannabee that actually he is a totally different player. His game is built around passing and movement. He is not going to sprint through 5 players and score, he is a very intelligent player who needs players around him on the same wavelength. The same goes for Soldado, he needs players around him.

Only in England do we believe that players have to be able to do it all on their own.
 

arunspurs

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Mason was really really good - he played like Carrick at his peak. Nothing flashy, kept things simple, one touch passes & accurate most times. I would love to see his passing accuracy. He got dispossessed once I guess. Overall ,he was a good combination with Capoue and both really kept us going.

Last season Vs this game - biggest takeaway is one touch passing & almost zero back passes.

Veljkovic too had a good game playing with Mason.

I thought Eriksen was lacking fitness - but he should pick up given this is his first game.

Lamela - I think probably his first game, where he showed he really belongs. More of this pls...
 

fatpiranha

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I think everyone who saw the 1st half performance will have been impressed with they style of football we played. I worry somewhat that we can keep up the high pressing game for 90 minutes however. Southampton's record last season was very poor in the 2nd half of matches. Nonetheless it's a hell of a lot more entertaining than what we saw last season under AVB.

Lamela gets the plaudits (and rightly so) but I thought Capoue was awesome (apart from the shirt tug that should have cost us a penalty). We really saw the difference when he went off. Some of his passes were excellent. I thought he was our best player at the beginning of last season until he got injured. He's clearly not a central defender but at DM he's a class act. Looking forward to seeing what he can do now he is fit and the prospect of pairing him with Schneiderlin is intriguing.
 

arunspurs

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I think everyone who saw the 1st half performance will have been impressed with they style of football we played. I worry somewhat that we can keep up the high pressing game for 90 minutes however. Southampton's record last season was very poor in the 2nd half of matches. Nonetheless it's a hell of a lot more entertaining than what we saw last season under AVB.

Lamela gets the plaudits (and rightly so) but I thought Capoue was awesome (apart from the shirt tug that should have cost us a penalty). We really saw the difference when he went off. Some of his passes were excellent. I thought he was our best player at the beginning of last season until he got injured. He's clearly not a central defender but at DM he's a class act. Looking forward to seeing what he can do now he is fit and the prospect of pairing him with Schneiderlin is intriguing.


This is a valid concern. I believe key is not pressing. Key is once we pressed and won the ball, how we keep possession as well.

Yesterday, difference was - both half our players pressed but first half was better coz, we maintained more possession. In 2nd half, it was just press the ball, retrieve ball & give the ball away in dangerous place.

Comparing to Saints, our squad wise has better technical players than them, I believe we will be much better in 2nd half. Our players need to get the balance right.
 

arunspurs

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We are not signing star players like other top teams but we are signing the right players. Already, I can see some of last season players improving (except of course Captain Dawson)

We still got Adebayor, Bentaleb, Dembele, Vertonghen, Sandro, Paulinho, Chadli, Lloris to integrate into the squad;

The way we played last night gives me immense confidence for season ahead.
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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Friedel was Friedel.

Naughton - looked composed and more confident.
Kaboul - Better display than the previous game. Did all he had to do well.
Veljkovic - A couple of minor errors but a very decent 45 mins.
Davies - Neat and tidy.

Mason + Capoue - Very good games. Worked in tandem and were always available for the ball and got us going forward. Some superb passes in the build up to our first half goals.

Eriksen - Rusty. Very rusty.
Lamela - Two great finishes, constantly showing for the ball, lead our pressing efforts... Great display.
Lennon - Didn't always seem to understand his role but was busy and kept looking for work.
Soldado - Some decent bits of play and two assists, I think he could do more to lead the pressing efforts though when you see Lamela/Lennon tear past him to close down.

Walker - Looked a bit rusty as well.
Dawson + Fryers - Shockingly bad again.
Rose - Decent game.

Carroll - Some sloppy bits of play but was holding the midfield together on his own and is not a DM.
Holtby - Always looked to be running around, which some people will like, but he once again showed his issues with playing in central midfield in my opinion... Not close enough to Carroll, didn't work in tandem with him (look at the first half pairing) and not really doing an effective job. Much better to station him higher up the pitch.

Ceballos - Showed glimpses of talent and works hard. A bit desperate to impress though.
Townsend - Ditto.
Falque + Kane - Struggled to get involved I thought, particularly Kane. A lot of individual play from our midfield rather than playing off him and linking up.
 

eddiebailey

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4. Davies clearly wasn't settled (nor should he be expected to yet) and still out played Rose. When cutting down the left, Davies feigned crossing and passed inside to the on running forward (Lamela mostly) leading to near goals. As we know, when Rose goes forward we either get a cross over the entire box to the opposite assistant ref or a goal kick--exactly we witnessed in the 2nd half.
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Apart from the pinpoint cross that Kane should have buried?

I thought Rose was our best player in the second half, by some distance.
 

thinktank

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Sep 28, 2004
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Watched the whole game, my takeaways from what is not THAT meaningful of a match:

1. Lamela is on another planet from last year. I haven't seen a player so hungry for the ball since Bale was running circles around Maicon. He never stopped calling for the ball, never slowed down, was always the first to make himself available, pressed the keeper constantly (forcing throw ins twice) and even took the ball from his own teammate because he couldn't wait to get forward.

2. Who plays where at left wing/right wing/CAM does not matter in this system nearly as much as any previous Spurs setup I've witnessed. The three interchanging in these positions need to have a) endless workrate b) creativity and vision primarily in (as everyone and their mother has mentioned) vertical play & c) finishing. Many of our goals are not going to come from a sole striker, they will come from these three--Soldado assists this game and Kane's in Seattle are examples of this. Instead of focusing on positional players, we should focus on two footed players proficient in those three areas IMO.

3. Poch was and is right about transfers: the blindest spectator in all of Canada could have seen tonight that our defense is in the most need of changing/improving as much as we lust over Griez or Depay.

4. Davies clearly wasn't settled (nor should he be expected to yet) and still out played Rose. When cutting down the left, Davies feigned crossing and passed inside to the on running forward (Lamela mostly) leading to near goals. As we know, when Rose goes forward we either get a cross over the entire box to the opposite assistant ref or a goal kick--exactly we witnessed in the 2nd half.

5. Eriksen is going to have to significantly up his work rate to fulfill his potential of playing in this system. He's got the creativity and finishing as we all know, but was always behind Lamela and Lennon (granted, two very pacy players) in pressing and attacking and even sat fairly deep at times, though perhaps that was the plan? He looks a little lost as of now but early days and all of these things are subject to change.

Agree with most of that lot, but gotta give rose his dues as he put a couple of cracking crosses in last night.

I don't trust him though, think he's got attitude problems and will not be a positive element in the team here as #2 LB. Also, he's not consistent enough in doing the things he should do (i.e. he crap a lot of the time), I'd sell and bring in someone with fresh hunger to compete for that place with BD.
 

thinktank

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Sep 28, 2004
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Hopefully Lamela is now showing those people who seem to think that Lamela is a bale wannabee that actually he is a totally different player. His game is built around passing and movement. He is not going to sprint through 5 players and score, he is a very intelligent player who needs players around him on the same wavelength. The same goes for Soldado, he needs players around him.

Only in England do we believe that players have to be able to do it all on their own.

This is key.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Apart from the pinpoint cross that Kane should have buried?

I thought Rose was our best player in the second half, by some distance.

I was just about to comment on that post myself, I also saw Rose come back inside and lay off a pass on numerous occasions...

I don't particularly rate Rose based on what he has done with us so far, but some people seem to have an absolutely irrational hatred of the guy and resort to pretty much making things up about what has happened in order to criticise him. For me every player should get a clean slate under the new manager and so far in pre-season he has been one of our better performers, probably our best defender.

If he has a bad game, fair enough say it. Lets call things on what actually happens though rather than some extreme bias which seems to be going on atm.
 

Vulcan10

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Re rose just a word if caution, I'm not sure we can pay too much attention to performances in pre season friendlies. Darren bent used to score a bucket load in pre season then revert to type once the season started.
 

WiganSpur

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Friedel 6
Naughton 6
Kaboul 7
Milos 6
Davies 6
Mason 7
Capoue 7
Eriksen 5
Lamela 9
Lennon 7
Soldado 7

Walker 5
Dawson 2
Fryers 3
Rose 6
Carroll 5
Holtby 6
Falque 5
Ceballos 4
Townsend 6
Kane 4
 
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