Summer transfer mission

[Blackcanary]

Of course - Stobbart is mates with Josh Levy

The Rebecca Caplehorn bit is inaccurate though - she directly replaced Darren Eales. That role is about contracts and legalities, nothing to do with Baldini's remit.

We've also recruited Rob Mackenzie as Head of Technical Scouting to work under Baldini and Mitchell

And I don't think Stambouli is in the Ade-Capoue-Kaboul-Lennon clique

I believe he is mates with Capoue (which makes sense because they're of a similar age and background and both Francophones), but he's also friends with the Belgians and part of their gaming group. He's been previously known for his excellent attitude and application so I can't imagine what would have had to go wrong for him to become so discontented so quickly.

ETA: This post makes me sound like a stalker, doesn't it?

 

[marvel]

Our transfer team is going to be Mitchell and Webb, how poetic...

 

[beats1]

Definitely a 'believe it when I see it' situation with Levy and selling players at a loss.

This whole transfer window is going to be governed by how many people we can get rid of and how quickly, and that's the thing that makes me suspect it might not go that well.

What is a Loss?

Since by the book someone like
Paulinho is valued at £8.5m,
Soldado around £13m down to £7m if we didn't pay any clauses
Lamela is worth around £13m
Capoue around £4m
Chiriches around £4m as well

So technically it wont be too difficult to make a profit on all these players bar Soldado. Soldado can only be sold to spain imo and no one could afford a price like that, not even Valencia and the top 3 are going to go for him now. So the only way we will get rid of him is by a swap deal.

Personally a Musacchio or Vietto swap will suit all parties. Both are linked with a move to Napoli or Liverpool respectively, with Villarreal having clauses for both players around €20m, which thanks to a weak euro is around £14.5m

 

[alfie103]

I think Lamela is our most creative player.

If this is true, it is pretty damning for our attacking midfielders.

 

[talkshowhost86]

What is a Loss?

Since by the book someone like
Paulinho is valued at £8.5m,
Soldado around £13m down to £7m if we didn't pay any clauses
Lamela is worth around £13m
Capoue around £4m
Chiriches around £4m as well

So technically it wont be too difficult to make a profit on all these players bar Soldado. Soldado can only be sold to spain imo and no one could afford a price like that, not even Valencia and the top 3 are going to go for him now. So the only way we will get rid of him is by a swap deal.

Personally a Musacchio or Vietto swap will suit all parties. Both are linked with a move to Napoli or Liverpool respectively, with Villarreal having clauses for both players around €20m, which thanks to a weak euro is around £14.5m

I'd be surprised if that's how Levy calculates it though, because footballers aren't like cars. You expect their value to at least hold up until a certain age, and you would hope they might even increase in value over time.

It's an inexact science, and you're right in saying that it's not as simple as comparing the price we buy at and the price we sell at, but I can tell you for certain that Levy would certainly consider the sale of Lamela at £13m as a massive loss.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Of course - Stobbart is mates with Josh Levy

The Rebecca Caplehorn bit is inaccurate though - she directly replaced Darren Eales. That role is about contracts and legalities, nothing to do with Baldini's remit.

We've also recruited Rob Mackenzie as Head of Technical Scouting to work under Baldini and Mitchell

And I don't think Stambouli is in the Ade-Capoue-Kaboul-Lennon clique

Coincidentally, Stobart's "reports" often coincides with the views of JJ, too.
Somebody on here once said that if one starts an opinion with "it looks to me... ", on can never be wrong. Thus, it looks to me that Stambouli will stay for next season, and is a separate issue entirely than the likes of Kaboul & Capoue.

 

[beats1]

I'd be surprised if that's how Levy calculates it though, because footballers aren't like cars. You expect their value to at least hold up until a certain age, and you would hope they might even increase in value over time.

It's an inexact science, and you're right in saying that it's not as simple as comparing the price we buy at and the price we sell at, but I can tell you for certain that Levy would certainly consider the sale of Lamela at £13m as a massive loss.

The players book value is calculated by the players fee divided by the contract he signed (player amortisation).

I agree footballers aren't like cars but thats how they worked out as in accounting terms(Im sure someone can correct if I am wrong)

So whilst we know footballers can increase in value, in accounting terms they don't much like cars(which can increase in value but generally decrease)

I agree, Levy in his own head will have a price that he will want but I was just highlighting that he would probably point to the board or the books to say thats still a profit. IMO this is what he will want:
Capoue: £6m-8m - probably be the higher number
Chiriches: same as above
Lamela: wont be sold as Levy will want £20m and I cant see who will pay that
Paulinho: £8m-£12m
Soldado: I can only see a swap deal tbh

 

[DaSpurs]

The players book value is calculated by the players fee divided by the contract he signed (player amortisation).

I agree footballers aren't like cars but thats how they worked out as in accounting terms(Im sure someone can correct if I am wrong)

So whilst we know footballers can increase in value, in accounting terms they don't much like cars(which can increase in value but generally decrease)

I agree, Levy in his own head will have a price that he will want but I was just highlighting that he would probably point to the board or the books to say thats still a profit. IMO this is what he will want:
Capoue: £6m-8m - probably be the higher number
Chiriches: same as above
Lamela: wont be sold as Levy will want £20m and I cant see who will pay that
Paulinho: £8m-£12m
Soldado: I can only see a swap deal tbh

Agree with your post in general, but between the amortization and Lamela's last two years, I suspect Levy might be tempted by an offer between £15-20m.

 

[talkshowhost86]

The players book value is calculated by the players fee divided by the contract he signed (player amortisation).

I agree footballers aren't like cars but thats how they worked out as in accounting terms(Im sure someone can correct if I am wrong)

So whilst we know footballers can increase in value, in accounting terms they don't much like cars(which can increase in value but generally decrease)

I agree, Levy in his own head will have a price that he will want but I was just highlighting that he would probably point to the board or the books to say thats still a profit. IMO this is what he will want:
Capoue: £6m-8m - probably be the higher number
Chiriches: same as above
Lamela: wont be sold as Levy will want £20m and I cant see who will pay that
Paulinho: £8m-£12m
Soldado: I can only see a swap deal tbh

I think Levy is probably sensible enough to know that the likes of Lewis and co wouldn't accept that sort of evidence of profit in terms of the players, particularly if those players haven't actually contributed much in the years they've been at the club.

Anyway it's largely a moo point, as I suspect it's mostly to do with Levy's thoughts on the matter than any relating to their value on the accounts.

I think your figures above are a sensible estimation of what most chairmen would want. We'll see if that's the case with levy though.

Either way, if we are to do yet another 'squad overhaul' we need to get rid of at least four of the above plus Kaboul and Adebayor, plus probably another one or two that Poch doesn't fancy (maybe even Stambouli and Fazio), and I simply can't see that happening very quickly.

So it's then a case of whether Levy is bold enough to buy before we've sold...something we haven't really done before.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

If this is true, it is pretty damning for our attacking midfielders.

He's not far wrong.. Mason, Capoue, Bentaleb, Chadli, Stambouli, Paulinho and Townsend are not what you call creative. Our creativity is basically channelled into one man - Eriksen, who has a tendency to disappear. Lamela is an enigma, as is Dembele, who the later showed creativity and drive in a Fulham shirt, but unfortunately rarely seen in a Spurs shirt.

Our midfield is functional at best, creative it ain't.

 

[Blackcanary]

I think Levy is probably sensible enough to know that the likes of Lewis and co wouldn't accept that sort of evidence of profit in terms of the players, particularly if those players haven't actually contributed much in the years they've been at the club.

Anyway it's largely a moo point, as I suspect it's mostly to do with Levy's thoughts on the matter than any relating to their value on the accounts.

I think your figures above are a sensible estimation of what most chairmen would want. We'll see if that's the case with levy though.

Either way, if we are to do yet another 'squad overhaul' we need to get rid of at least four of the above plus Kaboul and Adebayor, plus probably another one or two that Poch doesn't fancy (maybe even Stambouli and Fazio), and I simply can't see that happening very quickly.

So it's then a case of whether Levy is bold enough to buy before we've sold...something we haven't really done before.

I think that would be very ill-advised. We could do it in 2013 because we had a hot prospect in Bale and knew RM would cough up but there's no guarantee we'd find interest and buyers for some of the players we need out this summer - we'd either end up with buying clubs having us over a barrel because they knew needed players off the books, or we'd be unable to sell them and have a massive and unsustainable wage bill.

 

[beats1]

I think Levy is probably sensible enough to know that the likes of Lewis and co wouldn't accept that sort of evidence of profit in terms of the players, particularly if those players haven't actually contributed much in the years they've been at the club.

Anyway it's largely a moo point, as I suspect it's mostly to do with Levy's thoughts on the matter than any relating to their value on the accounts.

I think your figures above are a sensible estimation of what most chairmen would want. We'll see if that's the case with levy though.

Either way, if we are to do yet another 'squad overhaul' we need to get rid of at least four of the above plus Kaboul and Adebayor, plus probably another one or two that Poch doesn't fancy (maybe even Stambouli and Fazio), and I simply can't see that happening very quickly.

So it's then a case of whether Levy is bold enough to buy before we've sold...something we haven't really done before.

I totally agree but with relation to Joe Lewis, I don't think he cares and if Levy points to the profit at the end of season, I think both will be happy

We clearly need a squad overhaul as these players aren't getting a look in and they are losing money for the club in wages and their own value by not playing
Stambouli
Kaboul
Fazio
Adebayor
Soldado
Capoue
Chiriches(only played 5 games in 2015)
Paulinho

and then there are players like Dembele who are unlikely to see playing time next season as we will have Pritchard and Onomah likely to join the squad next season

 

[talkshowhost86]

I totally agree but with relation to Joe Lewis, I don't think he cares and if Levy points to the profit at the end of season, I think both will be happy

We clearly need a squad overhaul as these players aren't getting a look in and they are losing money for the club in wages and their own value by not playing
Stambouli
Kaboul
Fazio
Adebayor
Soldado
Capoue
Chiriches(only played 5 games in 2015)
Paulinho

and then there are players like Dembele who are unlikely to see playing time next season as we will have Pritchard and Onomah likely to join the squad next season

Yep I agree with that list (assuming that Poch has decided that Stambo isn't his cup of tea) although I'd add Lamela to it as well.

It's a serious list of players to try and get rid of. I'd be impressed if we manage to get rid of half of them.

 

[beats1]

Yep I agree with that list (assuming that Poch has decided that Stambo isn't his cup of tea) although I'd add Lamela to it as well.

It's a serious list of players to try and get rid of. I'd be impressed if we manage to get rid of half of them.

I cant for the life of me see Adebayor go,
As for Lamela he hasn't been bad its just his value has taken a big dip. He is one imo that can still make it with us imo and I don't see anyone matching Levy's price

You would think Levy understands by keeping them here he is hurting the manager, the club and himself financially as our wage bill has apparently increased to £108m, yet of that £108m the big earners would be the players sitting on the bench as these guys wages would be peanuts
Kane
Townsend
Mason
Bentaleb
Rose
Walker
Dier
and etc.

The big earners in the team at the moment would be Vertonghen, Lloris and probably Eriksen. I doubt Chadli is on alot either

 

[Mullers]

The players book value is calculated by the players fee divided by the contract he signed (player amortisation).

I agree footballers aren't like cars but thats how they worked out as in accounting terms(Im sure someone can correct if I am wrong)

So whilst we know footballers can increase in value, in accounting terms they don't much like cars(which can increase in value but generally decrease)

I agree, Levy in his own head will have a price that he will want but I was just highlighting that he would probably point to the board or the books to say thats still a profit. IMO this is what he will want:
Capoue: £6m-8m - probably be the higher number
Chiriches: same as above
Lamela: wont be sold as Levy will want £20m and I cant see who will pay that
Paulinho: £8m-£12m
Soldado: I can only see a swap deal tbh

In that case none of those players will be sold. If Soldado is involved in a swap deal Levy will definitely need to pony up some cash. Soldado is 29 now and he's not scoring, when he signed with us he probably thought this would be the last move of his career.

 

[DCSPUR]

looks like chelski are in for Morgan S this summer which is a blow - gooners, utd seem like they are interested in him

 

[talkshowhost86]

looks like chelski are in for Morgan S this summer which is a blow - gooners, utd seem like they are interested in him

I think Schneiderlin is in a price bracket above where we'll be operating now anyway.

We need to be finding the likes of Schneiderlin before they arrive in the Premiership.

 

[shelfboy68]

looks like chelski are in for Morgan S this summer which is a blow - gooners, utd seem like they are interested in him

Its no biggie we were out of this race last year even more so this year, we should have got him before they got robbed of players hence why we ended up with stambouli.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think Schneiderlin is in a price bracket above where we'll be operating now anyway.

We need to be finding the likes of Schneiderlin before they arrive in the Premiership.

They then leave us when they get to his level thats the frustrating bit.

 

[Ndombers]

Our transfer team is going to be Mitchell and Webb, how poetic...

That would explain past transfer windows, Levy has been playing Numberwang!