Takeover talk

[Lilbaz]

Not as much in the buyer's interest though.

They could just as easily wait for the stadium to be built and then clear the debt if they wanted.

If it was me, then I'd want to see more progress on the stadium before I invested, but I should stress at this point that I am neither Qatari nor a bazillionaire.

If i was going to pay hundreds of millions on a stadium. I'd want a say in what it looks like.
I'd want a blowjob bar installed in my corporate box. A guiness tap on my reclining stadium seat (i'd write pepsi on it to confuse the authorities) and have a mirror and razor blade attached to the seat in front (because i have to look good ). I will have giant flame throwers emerging from the domes at each corner of the stadium. That when looked at in a certain angle looks like a pair of thrupnies. Because i can.
The entrance to the away team dressing room would be a giant arse. Their showerheads would look like cocks.

Yep i'd want a say in the design.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

They lose money the same most other large clubs loose money but increase their value.

RM are over 600m in debt, United are over 380m.

It's a long term game. Chelsea were over 700m in debt to Abramovich at one point.

Right, but rm and Chelsea aren't owned by investment companies, they aren't (or haven't been up to now) run to make their investors profit. ManU haven't been run well but are a global brand behemoth so unless the Glazers really fucked up royally are always going to be a reasonably ok investment.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think the challenge for any investor is simple - to generate the types of gains they want to see, they will have to ensure regular Champions League football. Assuming Spurs become legitimate spenders in the transfer market - you then will have 6 teams vying for 4 spots - something that is not tenable, thus regular champions league play is not something that can or should be expected.

Then, if PL teams have another year like this year in CL and Europa, it won't be long before Italy passes England in the UEFA coefficients - leaving 6 teams fighting for 3 spots.

I actually like that Levy/ENIC spent this year investing gin back-office staff bringing Broomfield back, and Mitchell onboard. It no longer is about who can spend the most money - the top-six will have to show who can spend the money properly, with the fewest mistakes. That is another reason why it is so critical to get a philosophy in place at the club - fill needs of that philosophy, rather than continuing to switch managers/tactics/players.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

They just made the purchase barely over three years ago, and in that time built a squad with the highest wages in baseball and completely renovated the insides of their stadium. With their successes on the pitch and their attendance records, they will most certainly be netting profit in the not-too-distant future.

I just wanted to get an overview or some perspective from someone with better understanding of how the baseball industry works so I had some point of reference. I have no idea how the baseball industry works, wasn't sure if it was comparable to the football industry. I am also sceptical about the rationale of anyone who actually invests in the football industry with the intention of making money, it's so rare and risky.

I wanted to know what and how they are going about it at the Dodgers, how successful it's been and what it has meant for the team itself/fans etc.

I can see it if you go about it like ENIC have, stay in it for the long haul, develop the facilities, build a stadium, play the transfer trading game well, hit CL then you can add value, but you have to get all of those facets right (especially if you don't hit CL football regularly) and I just think there are so many other ways for an investment fund to take less risk and make money ?

 

[yankspurs]

I just wanted to get an overview or some perspective from someone with better understanding of how the baseball industry works so I had some point of reference. I have no idea how the baseball industry works, wasn't sure if it was comparable to the football industry. I am also sceptical about the rationale of anyone who actually invests in the football industry with the intention of making money, it's so rare and risky.

I wanted to know what and how they are going about it at the Dodgers, how successful it's been and what it has meant for the team itself/fans etc.

I can see it if you go about it like ENIC have, stay in it for the long haul, develop the facilities, build a stadium, play the transfer trading game well, hit CL then you can add value, but you have to get all of those facets right (especially if you don't hit CL football regularly) and I just think there are so many other ways for an investment fund to take less risk and make money ?

I think its quite clear that they want to invest in sports in Europe, particularly in big cities. London is a big city and Spurs is a club on the cusp of the biggest stage in Europe and in an area that is going through a regeneration. Good prospects to make money back on the investment if they are in it for the long haul. Plus Goldstein is apparently a Spurs supporter who has season tickets

 

[DaSpurs]

I just wanted to get an overview or some perspective from someone with better understanding of how the baseball industry works so I had some point of reference. I have no idea how the baseball industry works, wasn't sure if it was comparable to the football industry. I am also sceptical about the rationale of anyone who actually invests in the football industry with the intention of making money, it's so rare and risky.

I wanted to know what and how they are going about it at the Dodgers, how successful it's been and what it has meant for the team itself/fans etc.

I can see it if you go about it like ENIC have, stay in it for the long haul, develop the facilities, build a stadium, play the transfer trading game well, hit CL then you can add value, but you have to get all of those facets right (especially if you don't hit CL football regularly) and I just think there are so many other ways for an investment fund to take less risk and make money ?

I think you're right, I think it's a very big gamble, especially with how much money is being pumped into the league now from so many different angles. Anything an investor puts in then has proportionally less impact that it would have say, even five years ago.

However, the bright side is American baseball is far and away the most analogous format anywhere to football. No salary cap, extensive development systems, and big money is earned even if you succeed but don't necessarily win a title (MLB playoffs, UEFA Champions League). Point is, they have experience in the similar vein and know what's required to succeed from a financial perspective. Furthermore, they clearly know from the Dodgers example that the best method for long term investment is to invest heavily, early. Ergo, I think they'd put significant funding into getting that stadium built ASAP, while not diverting funds from the squad (again, highest wages in baseball). While I certainly don't think they'd turn us into an Oil City (the Dodgers were already one of the biggest clubs in baseball with a massive fanbase and of course can charge exorbitant prices due to their location), I do suspect they'll bankroll improvement as needed and support any transfer willing to actually come to Spurs.

 

[TheAmerican]

I think its quite clear that they want to invest in sports in Europe, particularly in big cities. London is a big city and Spurs is a club on the cusp of the biggest stage in Europe and in an area that is going through a regeneration. Good prospects to make money back on the investment if they are in it for the long haul. Plus Goldstein is apparently a Spurs supporter who has season tickets

A US group purchased Roma in 2011 with the sole intention of making it a global brand. That is likely what Can Hoiy want to do too.

 

[jambreck]

Read our wikipedia page. It points out our jewish links.
It will not be about personal feelings. It will be that any arab rich enough to buy us will be a member of a Royal family. They will have to answer to their people and religious leaders.
There is even the possibility that some nut could assassinate them.
It will not happen.

I seriously doubt that Spurs' Jewish links would figure prominently in any decision. Arab states aren't fundamentally opposed to Judaism any more than they are fundamentally opposed to Christianity. They are opposed to the existence of Israel. Altogether different. Furthermore, as others have pointed out, Spurs have plenty of Arab and Moslem fans. If the yid thing doesn't bother these fans, then nor will it bother potential investors. All that will matter to them is Spurs' suitability as an investment.

Besides, Arab royal families don't give a monkey's about answering to their people. Their system of government is absolute monarchy. The ruling families have unrestricted political power. They keep their people in check by a combination of bribes (high standard of living) on the one hand and, on the other, the (sometimes brutal) repression of dissent. If they are to become a target for assassins, then it will be for myriad more important and likely reasons than investing in a Premier League football club with Jewish connections.

 

[jambreck]

We had a chance in 2003 to be taken over by a billionaire but our owners never took him seriously, the rest as they say is history. Don't stress though guys our penny pinching prudent way of running our club will eventually win us a League cup again!

What chance?

You're talking about that meeting between Pini Zahavi and Levy?

If Abramovich had been remotely interested in buying Spurs, he'd have followed it up. He didn't. For the very simple reason that his eye was on Chelsea: a willing (nay, desperate) seller; team in or around the Champions League places; location in a desirable area, a mere mile or so from his Kensington home.

Spurs was never a serious option for him.

 

[jambreck]

Oil will run out eventually. Take the yanks anytime over the oil barons.

The Arabs know perfectly well that oil is a finite resource.

And even if there are still decades worth of reserves in the ground, they also know that the increasing trend towards fracking and alternative forms of energy will likely mean a long term decline in the oil price.

That's why they have diversified and invested heavily. Their property and investment portfolios are breathtaking. They are advised by the best financial brains that money can buy.

So even when the oil runs out or ceases to be such a valuable resource, they will still be as rich as Croesus.

 

[jambreck]

Nothing is "impossible". Selling the Millennium Dome was never likely until they decided they wanted rid. Re: athletics they have no power whatsoever so it would be easy enough to do what we wanted to do which is relocate them.

Anyway it doesn't matter £10m a year is nothing in terms of rent. Peanuts.

Levy / Spurs would have the OPLC over a barrel if they got rid of the athletics track or made the stadium over to West Ham. That's what much of the legal wrangling was about.

So athletics will stay and West Ham will never own he stadium.

 

[Always Offside]

If i was going to pay hundreds of millions on a stadium. I'd want a say in what it looks like.
I'd want a blowjob bar installed in my corporate box. A guiness tap on my reclining stadium seat (i'd write pepsi on it to confuse the authorities) and have a mirror and razor blade attached to the seat in front (because i have to look good ). I will have giant flame throwers emerging from the domes at each corner of the stadium. That when looked at in a certain angle looks like a pair of thrupnies. Because i can.
The entrance to the away team dressing room would be a giant arse. Their showerheads would look like cocks.

Yep i'd want a say in the design.

I don't think you've thought that through enough ....

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't think you've thought that through enough ....

Have changed my mind about the shower heads.
Now i want babies standing above the showers pissing down on them with smiling faces. Will then have speakers behing them issueing children giggling noises.
The away teams lockers will be coffins and inside it would have a picture of the player crying (every footballer has a picture of them crying). With speakers playing a really deep heart beat noise throughout the dressing room.
They'd have a separate tunnel that would get smaller and smaller before joining with the main tunnel to the pitch.

The idea being that they'd be totally freaked out before they get to the pitch.

 

[beats1]

I was listening to a member of THST and he was saying that the club and their subsidiaries have alot of property on the books that was purchased by alan sugar who was trying to buy property cheap in a bid to find us a new home. Not sure if it is true

 

[Always Offside]

Have changed my mind about the shower heads.
Now i want babies standing above the showers pissing down on them with smiling faces. Will then have speakers behing them issueing children giggling noises.
The away teams lockers will be coffins and inside it would have a picture of the player crying (every footballer has a picture of them crying). With speakers playing a really deep heart beat noise throughout the dressing room.
They'd have a separate tunnel that would get smaller and smaller before joining with the main tunnel to the pitch.

The idea being that they'd be totally freaked out before they get to the pitch.

Wow. Mate, you've really got to get out more.

 

[topper]

Wow. Mate, you've really got to get out more.

No he doesn't, he need to remain indoors !

 

[Drexl]

I don't see Qatar being interested

Prof Jong-Un might have sources but what appeal would we be to Qatar? they buy luxury - Harrods, The Shard, our area, shiny new potential stadium aside, is like downtown Mogadishu, an absolute slum area, i cant see us fitting the Qatar high end brand

 

[jambreck]

I don't see Qatar being interested

Prof Jong-Un might have sources but what appeal would we be to Qatar? they buy luxury - Harrods, The Shard, our area, shiny new potential stadium aside, is like downtown Mogadishu, an absolute slum area, i cant see us fitting the Qatar high end brand

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I am very skeptical with all these talks. With us languishing in 6h & 7th and with a stadium to build, I cant see a investor investing in stadium + players + agree a sale price with JL.

Am guessing - Most likely thing to happen is some investor ready to buy a bit part stake in the club & have a naming deal.

I said in the stadium thread earlier, I have a feeling AEG may still have a part to play in our financial future. If memory serves me correctly, were they not basically willing to be partners with ENIC, when we were going through the whole Olympic Stadium nonsense?

I don't see why they wouldn't still be interested in such a thing? And the fact that we're aggressively targeting the American market, and are blatantly building a stadium that will be more than just a football stadium, could easily make us just as attractive to them as seemed to be the case in the past.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Yes, I live in NY and I am also in the heavily populated City all the time. I know there are spurs fans out there. But just dont personally know any, while i know alot of people who support other clubs. And I've never seen anyone wearing a spurs shirt either unfortunately.

Try stepping out of The Blue Oyster Bar & you'll be surprised what you see