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spids

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I think there was a reason Poch rested Sissoko and Dembele at Watford. I think he wants their 'power' and strength on the pitch against Chelsea. Not what I think, but what I think Poch will do ...

Lloris
Walker--Alderweireld--Vertonghen--Rose
Wanyama---Dembele
Sissoko-----Alli-----Eriksen
Kane
Personally I hope we go with 3 at the back to mirror Chelsea and out work them all over the pitch after they've played had a rare 3 games in a week.

Lloris
Dier--Alderweireld--Vertonghen
Walker-----------Wanyama------------Rose
Eriksen-------Winks
Alli
Kane​
 

dondo

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Alli's in the team, you ignorant plum. Hows' that?


Fair point missed alli because you had him in a striker position :oops:
But my point still stand regarding wimmer for vertongon and eriksen for winks
 

thinktank

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Fair point missed alli because you had him in a striker position :oops:
But my point still stand regarding wimmer for vertongon and eriksen for winks
What's your specific issue with those picks?
 

dondo

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What's your specific issue with those picks?


Vertongon has been our best cb this season and eriksen after a poor start to the season is hitting good form.
I rated both winks and wimmer very highly (especially winks) but at this moment in time eriksen and vertongon are better and more reliable performers for the big games imo
 

spids

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I can just about understand someone rating Wimmer over Vertonghen based on Wimmer's run last season in the team. He seemed to do the basic part of defending better, and was very assured on the ball, and was very unlucky to lose his place when Vertonghen was fit again. However, both of their performances this season has shown that Vertonghen is superior.

No-one can explain dropping Eriksen at present though. He has been our best player for the last 8 games and is in a rich vein of form, and dictates our play.
 

thinktank

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Vertongon has been our best cb this season and eriksen after a poor start to the season is hitting good form.
I rated both winks and wimmer very highly (especially winks) but at this moment in time eriksen and vertongon are better and more reliable performers for the big games imo
Eriksen reliable?? lmfao He's been one of our most inconsistent players. And he's a total weakling and a bottler.

This game will be war.

Winks is consistent, fearless and already makes better decisions. He's incisive and looks to penetrate all the time. Eriksen frequently makes bad decisions and too many side passes.

Winks may not have that extra quality in shooting, but for the purpose of being a feisty, gritty, dynamic facilitator in the middle of the park against a rampant Chelsea, he'll do just fine.

He also showed this season he wants to get into the box and get on the end of things, when he got his goal.

Starting him there against Chelsea would not be a wild swing...

123 Touches: 96% Pass Accuracy: Harry Winks superb for Tottenham Hotspur
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/12/0...accuracy-harry-winks-superb-for-tottenham-ho/
Harry Winks completed more passes than any other player in the Champions League on Wednesday
http://www.squawka.com/news/harry-w...r-in-the-champions-league-on-wednesday/847272
Tottenham youngster Harry Winks was sensational against West Ham
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/11/2...harry-winks-was-sensational-against-west-ham/

Toby is our best CB. Verts has caused all sorts of problems this season being indecisive in moving the ball out and between him and lloris it's been proper circus time at the back.

His distribution is nowhere near the level of Wimmer's and he is unable to set us off quickly through the park. It's back or sideways all day long.. Wimmer can afford not to buy time for someone to drop into the hole and can fizz it in to feet long distance enabling us to generate high tempo in our game and not slow things down from the back.

When Wimmer deputised for Verts last season many, if not most on here, didn't want Verts to come back in because they were so happy with Kev's contribution and didn't want to upset the rhythm we had at the back. He's solid as fuck. Stable as fuck. Strong as fuck.

Using him strategically to deal with the monster-bully that is Costa is not outlandish in the slightest. He's stronger than Verts and has a better temperament. The guy is ice cool.

Chelsea are on a 13 game winning streak, this game is no joke. It will be a dogged battle on Wednesday. Total war. I don't want us to be #14. We start strong and solid and work more flare in at the right time.
 
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dondo

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Eriksen reliable?? lmfao He's been one of our most inconsistent players. And he's a total weakling and a bottler.

This game will be war.

Winks is consistent, fearless and already makes better decisions. He's incisive and looks to penetrate all the time. Eriksen frequently makes bad decisions and too many side passes.

Winks may not have that extra quality in shooting, but for the purpose of being a feisty, gritty, dynamic facilitator in the middle of the park against a rampant Chelsea, he'll do just fine.

He also showed this season he wants to get into the box and get on the end of things, when he got his goal.

Starting him there against Chelsea would not be a wild swing...






Toby is our best CB. Verts has caused all sorts of problems this season being indecisive in moving the ball out and between him and lloris it's been proper circus time at the back.

His distribution is nowhere near the level of Wimmer's and he is unable to set us off quickly through the park. It's back or sideways all day long.. Wimmer can afford not to buy time for someone to drop into the hole and can fizz it in to feet long distance enabling us to generate high tempo in our game and not slow things down from the back.

When Wimmer deputised for Verts last season many, if not most on here, didn't want Verts to come back in because they were so happy with Kev's contribution and didn't want to upset the rhythm we had at the back. He's solid as fuck. Stable as fuck. Strong as fuck.

Using him strategically to deal with the monster-bully that is Costa is not outlandish in the slightest. He's stronger than Verts and has a better temperament. The guy is ice cool.

Chelsea are on a 13 games winning streak, this game is no joke. It will be a dogged battle on Wednesday. I don't want us to be 14. We start strong and solid and work more flare in at the right time.


I agree Toby is our best cb but wimmer isn't of vertongon class yet imo.
There is no way poch will pick winks instead of eriksen at this point especially for this game that should tell you all you need to know tbh
 

ComfortablyNumb

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When Wimmer deputised for Verts last season many, if not most on here, didn't want Verts to come back in because they were so happy with Kev's contribution and didn't want to upset the rhythm we had at the back. He's solid as fuck. Stable as fuck. Strong as fuck.

Using him strategically to deal with the monster-bully that is Costa is not outlandish in the slightest. He's stronger than Verts and has a better temperament. The guy is ice cool.

This is very true, but surely Costa will be coming through the inside left channel? If we play three at the back, it'll be Walker, Toby and Dier who need to be on their games, and Sissoko too, if he's picked. Doesn't invalidate your point about temperament, though.
 

thinktank

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I agree Toby is our best cb but wimmer isn't of vertongon class yet imo.
There is no way poch will pick winks instead of eriksen at this point especially for this game that should tell you all you need to know tbh
Then we disagree. I prefer Wimmer and have said so ages ago, so it's not like I'm saying anything new. He should be used more/rotated with Verts much more.

Irt Eriksen/winks, I have already said poch won't do it. My team selections are not second guessing exercises. They're what I want to see.
 

thinktank

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This is very true, but surely Costa will be coming through the inside left channel? If we play three at the back, it'll be Walker, Toby and Dier who need to be on their games, and Sissoko too, if he's picked. Doesn't invalidate your point about temperament, though.
Costa will try and exploit weakness and play on whoever he thinks he can troll/fuck with/get sent off/bully/harass. He's a sly, clever xxxx.
 

Chilli

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Eriksen reliable?? lmfao He's been one of our most inconsistent players. And he's a total weakling and a bottler.

This game will be war.

Winks is consistent, fearless and already makes better decisions. He's incisive and looks to penetrate all the time. Eriksen frequently makes bad decisions and too many side passes.

Winks may not have that extra quality in shooting, but for the purpose of being a feisty, gritty, dynamic facilitator in the middle of the park against a rampant Chelsea, he'll do just fine.

He also showed this season he wants to get into the box and get on the end of things, when he got his goal.

Starting him there against Chelsea would not be a wild swing...






Toby is our best CB. Verts has caused all sorts of problems this season being indecisive in moving the ball out and between him and lloris it's been proper circus time at the back.

His distribution is nowhere near the level of Wimmer's and he is unable to set us off quickly through the park. It's back or sideways all day long.. Wimmer can afford not to buy time for someone to drop into the hole and can fizz it in to feet long distance enabling us to generate high tempo in our game and not slow things down from the back.

When Wimmer deputised for Verts last season many, if not most on here, didn't want Verts to come back in because they were so happy with Kev's contribution and didn't want to upset the rhythm we had at the back. He's solid as fuck. Stable as fuck. Strong as fuck.

Using him strategically to deal with the monster-bully that is Costa is not outlandish in the slightest. He's stronger than Verts and has a better temperament. The guy is ice cool.

Chelsea are on a 13 game winning streak, this game is no joke. It will be a dogged battle on Wednesday. Total war. I don't want us to be #14. We start strong and solid and work more flare in at the right time.

Hang on, you forgot that he has a more 'cultured' left foot than Verts...
 

nightgoat

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Eriksen reliable?? lmfao He's been one of our most inconsistent players. And he's a total weakling and a bottler.

This game will be war.

Winks is consistent, fearless and already makes better decisions. He's incisive and looks to penetrate all the time. Eriksen frequently makes bad decisions and too many side passes.

Winks may not have that extra quality in shooting, but for the purpose of being a feisty, gritty, dynamic facilitator in the middle of the park against a rampant Chelsea, he'll do just fine.

He also showed this season he wants to get into the box and get on the end of things, when he got his goal.

Starting him there against Chelsea would not be a wild swing...

It was away at Chelsea that Eriksen sparked his upturn in form. Since then he's got five goals and four assists in seven games. Yes, he can be patchy, and I like Winks and wouldn't be averse to him starting alongside Dier in midfield although I suspect Pochettino will go for two powerful midfielders. But when on form Eriksen is our most creative player, as well as running our game. He's more of a goal threat, too.
 

thinktank

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It was away at Chelsea that Eriksen sparked his upturn in form. Since then he's got five goals and four assists in seven games. Yes, he can be patchy, and I like Winks and wouldn't be averse to him starting alongside Dier in midfield although I suspect Pochettino will go for two powerful midfielders. But when on form Eriksen is our most creative player, as well as running our game. He's more of a goal threat, too.
Horses for courses. I'm talking about this particular game, not having winks take Eriksen's place in the team ongoing.

Specific job starting in this game, in that position in my selection.

Eriksen would be on the bench ready to go. Can bring him on any time.

And Winks has already shown he can run a game in the middle for us.
 

nightgoat

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Horses for courses. I'm talking about this particular game, not having winks take Eriksen's place in the team ongoing.

Specific job starting in this game, in that position in my selection.

Eriksen would be on the bench ready to go. Can bring him on any time.

And Winks has already shown he can run a game in the middle for us.

Yep. Still start Eriksen, though. Him and Alli are our most on form attacking players at the moment.
 
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