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[Bulletspur]

Kyle Walker Peters - Our fans who go to U21 games are raving about him.
I have no doubt Poch will promote him to first team soon, like he did with Chambers.

KWP earned his U18 England call up couple of days back.

Thanks, did not know this!

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

Lloris

Naughton Dier Vertonghen Rose

Bentaleb Capoue

Lamela Eriksen Chadli

Adebyaor

Fazio didn't look ready for me on Thursday. Didn't seem to have an understanding with verts or our defences positioning. Dier is a CB so I would put him in.

 

[Bulletspur]

So you would be happy to have either Soldado or Kane ahead of Adebayor ...FFS

Yup! They are the only strikers we have and based on form, anything goes IMO.

 

[sloth]

Lloris
Naughton-Fazio-Vertonghen-Rose
Capoue-Dembele
Lamela-Eriksen-Chadli
Soldado​

Why Naughton?

 

[sloth]

Would like:

Lloris

KWP fazio vertonghen Rose

Capoue Bentaleb

Lamela Eriksen Chadli

Soldado

​

Expect

Lloris

Dier Kaboul Vertonghen Rose

Capoue Dembele

Lamela Eriksen Chadli

Adebayor​

Ever read Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman?

In it he relates how a common human bias is when, for example we recruit, if faced by a highly experienced candidate and a much less experienced one, but with a stellar educational record, we tend to underrate experience, because it's familiar and implies a limit, compared to the unknown and therefore in theory without limit candidate. Because we all tend towards a positive bias, eg. over estimate income underestimate costs, we'll imagine the future of the less experienced candidate will be exceptional.

 

[Reece]

Lloris
Naughton Kaboul Vertonghen Rose
Capoue Dembele
Lamela Eriksen Chadli
Adebayor

That should do the trick.

From the infographic on our site.. PERSISTANT

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ever read Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman?

In it he relates how a common human bias is when, for example we recruit, if faced by a highly experienced candidate and a much less experienced one, but with a stellar educational record, we tend to underrate experience, because it's familiar and implies a limit, compared to the unknown and therefore in theory without limit candidate. Because we all tend towards a positive bias, eg. over estimate income underestimate costs, we'll imagine the future of the less experienced candidate will be exceptional.

How about the choice between two who are already doing a poor job and the new recruit with a stellar educational record, knowing that you've still got the other two on the payroll if the stellar recruit doesn't work out as hoped ?


Have you ever read "My Life as a Wiseacre" by Basil Brush ?

 

[beats1]

Ever read Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman?

In it he relates how a common human bias is when, for example we recruit, if faced by a highly experienced candidate and a much less experienced one, but with a stellar educational record, we tend to underrate experience, because it's familiar and implies a limit, compared to the unknown and therefore in theory without limit candidate. Because we all tend towards a positive bias, eg. over estimate income underestimate costs, we'll imagine the future of the less experienced candidate will be exceptional.

The thing is, Dier isn't a RB and so therefore Kyle Walker-Peters is the more experienced fullback having played there for a long time

Of course Naughton is the most experienced candidate, who isn't having a great time at the moment.

Also KWP is probably playing better than any fullback we have had in the academy for the last 6-7 years.

 

[sloth]

How about the choice between two who are already doing a poor job and the new recruit with a stellar educational record, knowing that you've still got the other two on the payroll if the stellar recruit doesn't work out as hoped ?


Have you ever read "My Life as a Wiseacre" by Basil Brush ?

The thing is, Dier isn't a RB and so therefore Kyle Walker-Peters is the more experienced fullback having played there for a long time

Of course Naughton is the most experienced candidate, who isn't having a great time at the moment.

Also KWP is probably playing better than any fullback we have had in the academy for the last 6-7 years.

How many times have you both seen him play? As far as I can tell you watched him once against Liverpool last March BC and quite liked his purposefulness in that match... the first you heard about him was last October. He then got good reports in an age-group tournament a month or so back.

The other issue is that it's incredibly difficult to gauge the absolute quality of the teams when you're only seeing relative quality between the players on the pitch and the teams. I do remember though, arguing a full two seasons ago about Alex Pritchard, and people saying he should be straight into the first team, and we were going to lose him to a rival club if we weren't careful, and then he went to Swindon, now he's gone to a championship club, next season maybe it will be at a PL club, which is a path worn by the likes of Huddlestone, Tom Carrol, Walker, Caulker etc. basically there is a tendency to under-estimate the jump from youth level to first team.

All of that said, I do accept that it can be much harder to show your quality at a Leyton Orient or Swindon in League One than it is at a PL club, particularly if your style is geared to high quality play rather than the hurly-burly up-and-at-em you get in the lower divisions. I'm also confident however that our coaches are aware of all this, and have a plan for bringing players through, and they know the strengths and weaknesses much better than us who've seen them maybe once or twice, and that the solution is very rarely, just throw them in and see if they swim.

In terms of Dier, I think he's done OK so far, particularly in an attacking sense.

 

[sloth]

My worry about the team as it is, is against attacks down either flank. Our forward ranging fullbacks seem to get constantly exploited and the cover never seems to be there. I don't know if this is a problem with personnel, or teething problems as the coach tries to get his ideas across, or if his ideas need adjusting somewhat? If it is problem with personnel, i don't know if it's directly with the FB or maybe the players further forward, or even at CB - more than once I've seen a CB move across to cover, but then head back to the middle even though they've got a man over - again is this a problem with the player, or teething issues, or a flaw in the system?

The other thing which concerns me is the way we play when we're a goal up. An example of what we don't do, but I'd like to see more, is the way Liverpool played against us when they went a goal up, basically they knew we'd have to press forward and they were prepared to sit back a bit, absorb and then hit us on the counter... too often when we've been a goal up I've seen the FBs pushed right up in an attack with the play therefore compressed in their half still and then a ball back over the top has seen us undone. Surely when you know they've got to commit men forward, a better approach is to let them come forward a bit, press a bit deeper and then, when we win the ball back there's space over the top because they're not now playing as defensive as they were when the scores were level?

Team-wise I'd go the same as last time, although I would really like to see Soldado given a go at some point.

 

[mpickard2087]

My worry about the team as it is, is against attacks down either flank. Our forward ranging fullbacks seem to get constantly exploited and the cover never seems to be there. I don't know if this is a problem with personnel, or teething problems as the coach tries to get his ideas across, or if his ideas need adjusting somewhat? If it is problem with personnel, i don't know if it's directly with the FB or maybe the players further forward, or even at CB - more than once I've seen a CB move across to cover, but then head back to the middle even though they've got a man over - again is this a problem with the player, or teething issues, or a flaw in the system?

The way I interpret things, the two central midfielders are meant to act and cover across when (highly likely) the fullbacks are caught ahead of the game. Also after reading a while back about Pochettino, I remember it saying that the centre backs have to be comfortable stepping out wide too, I presume this would be for the longer ball down the line.

Using a hybrid of Southampton and early days with us. Its meant to look something like this in attack:

Front four interchange and do the damage. Fullbacks high and wide who provide the width. That's six attackers. Central midfielders need the ability to get the ball into these players (so, ability to pass through the lines) and then be disciplined and read the game well so can cover where needs be. Pushing forward only when the chance arises or when we are on the counter attack.

I just think it is going to take time to implement. You could also say we haven't got the right tools in a few positions. Time and patience needed...

 

[loaderspurs]

The thing is, Dier isn't a RB and so therefore Kyle Walker-Peters is the more experienced fullback having played there for a long time

Of course Naughton is the most experienced candidate, who isn't having a great time at the moment.

Also KWP is probably playing better than any fullback we have had in the academy for the last 6-7 years.

Not that much more experienced, he's a converted striker...

 

[The Scarecrow]

Why Naughton?

I think he's a better right back than Dier. I really like Dier, but I find Naughton to be the safer option.

 

[mark87]

I really want to see a front 4 of Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen and Soldado

This. Lamela, eriksen and bobby have a good understanding and are on the same wavelength.

 

[mpickard2087]

Also, these are the sorts of games for years I have thought that we should be trying Lennon at right back. Especially with him struggling to adapt his game and our lack of credible options currently. I'd imagine we will have most of the ball if we play competently and play on the front foot... Just tell him to hug the touchline, push forward and overlap/take on his man. If it doesn't work, fine. It might though get the best out of his skillset. I'd rather we tried something a bit different than Naughton's predictability or Dier out of position.

 

[DAZZA1978]

It will be same team as Sunderland and we should win still but I hope for Verts for Vlad and Would like to see Ade move to the left like he did a lot of at the Scum and Bobby up top with Chadli on the bench.

----------------Hugo----------------
Dier-----Kaboul---Verts------Rose
----------------Capoue-------------
----------Dembele--Eriksen-------
Lamela-------------------------Ade
------------------Bobby------------

We are at home and need to go at a weak West Brom team at the moment?

 

[cliff jones]

I would like to experiment 3 2 3 2. We either bury or get buried, I think the former!!

Lloris


Kaboul =============Fazio ============== Verts



Stambouli ========== Dembele



Lamela ======== Eriksen ======= Chadli




Ade ==== Soldado​

Also, these are the sorts of games for years I have thought that we should be trying Lennon at right back. Especially with him struggling to adapt his game and our lack of credible options currently. I'd imagine we will have most of the ball if we play competently and play on the front foot... Just tell him to hug the touchline, push forward and overlap/take on his man. If it doesn't work, fine. It might though get the best out of his skillset. I'd rather we tried something a bit different than Naughton's predictability or Dier out of position.

Worth thinking about that, perhaps with an hour gone against a park the bus opponent. The main risk is the opposition then play a taller wide man or their cf pulls off the back of our CBs and on to Lennon.

 

[cliff jones]

Chiriches should start with Vertonghen, both of them provide an additional goal threat.

They do, but in both directions

 

[mpickard2087]

Worth thinking about that, perhaps with an hour gone against a park the bus opponent. The main risk is the opposition then play a taller wide man or their cf pulls off the back of our CBs and on to Lennon.

This is an obvious danger, but at home against the weaker teams in the league we wouldn't deserve to win anyway if we were camped in our box and having to deal with a lot of pressure to make this mismatch noticeable...

 

[only1waddle]

It will be same team as Sunderland and we should win still but I hope for Verts for Vlad and Would like to see Ade move to the left like he did a lot of at the Scum and Bobby up top with Chadli on the bench.

----------------Hugo----------------
Dier-----Kaboul---Verts------Rose
----------------Capoue-------------
----------Dembele--Eriksen-------
Lamela-------------------------Ade
------------------Bobby------------

We are at home and need to go at a weak West Brom team at the moment?

I'm not sure benching Chadli is the way to go with his recent sharpness and confidence in front of goal. I don't see Ade helping defensively on the left either, what with his fitness issues from the malaria.