Team vs Manchester United

[ShelfSide18]

Gomes
Kaboul Dawson Bassong BAE
Hudd Palacios
Bentley Modric Bale
Pavlyuchenko​

Something like that.

 

[Wiener]

An opinion can quite easily be correct or incorrect. Whether it can be proven one way or another is a different story, but any circumstance where there are two directly conflicting opinions is a circumstance where one of those opinions is incorrect.

You clearly have your own very unique definition of opinion. It's hard to discuss anything with someone so obtuse.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You clearly have your own very unique definition of opinion. It's hard to discuss anything with someone so obtuse.

You know what, I'm going to shut up here because it wouldn't be the first time I'd been dragged down to your level and it's not somewhere I want to be. BC didn't even take issue with my comment about his opinion being wrong, at least not in the context you are, and it was aimed at him, but you jumped on that one fraction of my entire post to try and pick a fight. Frankly my dear, I'd be doing myself a disservice to continue to entertain your attempt to belittle me, so I bid you good evening and thank you very much.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You are Categorically wrong in almost everything you say about Dawson.

You say you would drop Dawson for Bassong and then give the reason that Bassong has played a large part in our defensive record. I pointed out that no one defender can claim a larger part in that record than Dawson. And you want to drop a player who's not been at fault for either of the goals conceded against Arsenal or Chelsea and a reason why we were so solid defensive for LARGE parts of both games.

Absolutely no justification or valid reason to your inclusion of Bassong at the expense of Dawson.

Further Proof the goals against column and goals conceded when Dawson does appear is far less than when he doesn't and Bassong has played in some of the heavier defeats.

Those aren't just an opinion, those are FACTS that you will struggle to find any valid arguement against, but i am willing to listen to you find one.

In your opinion Dawson makes blunders, in your opinion he made one on saturday against Drogba, now thats your opinion not an actual fact and almost everyone else on here/elsewhere would disagree with your interpretation of that incident and therefor it can be argued that you are wrong in what you say.

Capello is not a TV pundit he is the England manager and should he pick Dawson for the world cup then i can only assume the man must be insane or he actually knows more about football than you do.

Lets forget about opinions, we can argue all day who is right and wrong.

I can show you Facts to back up my opinions.

Please be true to your word and discuss it. Show me where i am wrong with some stats(you always use them to back up your opinions) so now use them to show everyone on this message board that you are right.

Show the large majority(who at present) have Dawson as there player of the year.

I really really look forward to you producing, not an opinion, but some proper meaningful stats that will go someway to show Dawson is not as good as most people say. :hump:

With regard to Bassong you choose to ignore the other reasons I gave.

With regard to Dawson's errors, you accuse me of listing them every week, so what other stats do you want. Every single time I've criticised Dawson (or anyone else) I've stated what/why I'm criticising so it's all there in black and white for you to read. All of the stats I provide to support any opinion are either from the telegraph or Guardian - they are there for anyone to see.

With regard to Dawson's error against Drogba I stand 100% by what I said.
Watch it again, Dawson spins round confused and turns his back on Drogba completely It was a major fuck up that with a player like Drogba would 9/10 have cost us.

So your argument on this was what exactly ? It didn't happen ? Nobody but me saw it ?

What about his performance in the cup semi or his previous game against Portsmouth in the league when he allowed Yebda to walz past him, which was a far worse piece of defending than any of our defenders did at Sunderland.

Dawson can play really well for the majority of a game but still make big mistakes and crucial times. I also believe he is not the quickest thinker or mover. But he has courage and a natural instinct to defend.

Clearly you don't agree and I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change mine and this constant fucking ranting is boring and achieving fuck all.

 

[Wiener]

You know what, I'm going to shut up here because it wouldn't be the first time I'd been dragged down to your level and it's not somewhere I want to be. BC didn't even take issue with my comment about his opinion being wrong, at least not in the context you are, and it was aimed at him, but you jumped on that one fraction of my entire post to try and pick a fight. Frankly my dear, I'd be doing myself a disservice to continue to entertain your attempt to belittle me, so I bid you good evening and thank you very much.

You say you will shut up but then go on to write several more lines of your usual drivel. None of your posts make any sense.

 

[Spurger King]

 

[Chatterbox1169]

If we look back at the last 2 games where we've played the best all season the midfield 2 have been Hudd and Modric. I believe that Palacios and Hudd don't bring the best out of each other when played together. When they do, 1 of them looks like they're having a bad game.

Gomes

Kaboul (Evra very important to play and Kaboul is match fit and physical match)
King (or Bassong if not fit)
Dawson
BAE

Bale
Palacios (more of a spoiler against Man U than Hudd)
Modric
Bentley (Lennon on later if fit to add impact)

EG
Crouch (they wouldn't be expecting it and will hold it up. Defoe has too many offsides - crucial against Vidic - and stops play going forward)

Husband and I have been discussing this for a few mins now and have realised that Harry has a bloody hard job!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Clearly you don't agree and I'm not going to change your mind, and you aren't going to change mine and this constant fucking ranting is boring and achieving fuck all.

I reckon this is something we can agree on, time to move on from this weeks version of rock vs hard place. I think one thing that is certain is that this has gotten us all nowhere, and pretty arduously.

 

[Locotoro]

I reckon this is something we can agree on, time to move on from this weeks version of rock vs hard place. I think one thing that is certain is that this has gotten us all nowhere, and pretty arduously.

i disagree :wink:

 

[Damian99]

With regard to Dawson's errors, you accuse me of listing them every week, so what other stats do you want. Every single time I've criticised Dawson (or anyone else) I've stated what/why I'm criticising so it's all there in black and white for you to read. All of the stats I provide to support any opinion are either from the telegraph or Guardian - they are there for anyone to see.

send me a link to those stats that back up your opinion on Dawson then, right now :grin:

Why hasn't he cost us more Goals? In the games he's appeared in TOTTENHAM HAVE CONCEDED WELL BELOW A GOAL A GAME.

I have Facts, stats and as massively overwhelming public opinion to which clearly leaves your opinion pretty much nonsense.

So what stats do you have????? :stupid:

 

[StockSpur]

modric also drifts to the right a lot

 

[roslau]

Gomes
Palacios King Dawson BAE
Bentley Hudd Modric Bale
Super Pav Defoe

 

[bubble07]

Tension in the SC camp....

 

[Coyboy]

Wow what would it have been like if we had not just beaten Chelsea and Arsenal? Anarchy?

 

[adiepf]

Opinons are more than capable of being incorrect. You're issue might be because you think he has a point about Dawson, another opinion which I consider incorrect in that case. However, if your issue is with the notion that an opinion can be incorrect, then you are again incorrect in your opinion, because opinions can be incorrect. :razz:

And yes, that is a terribly worded sentence.

dude an opinion can NEVER be incorrect or correct.....cos its an opinion!

 

[$hoguN]

dude an opinion can NEVER be incorrect or correct.....cos its an opinion!

Thats wrong as if I was to tell you that in my opinion "newly born babies made the best sandwich fillings" clearly that would be my opinion but wrong on so many levels

 

[adiepf]

Thats wrong as if I was to tell you that in my opinion "newly born babies made the best sandwich fillings" clearly that would be my opinion but wrong on so many levels

hahahahhahaha....hahahahaha....touche!

however in its correct form an opinion can NOT be wrong or right......look it up...

you cant tell me my opinion is wrong because its only valid in my mind & in nobody elses.......

its like me saying i think your the best poster on this board.....no matter what anybody says i cant be wrong because your creative juices may just float my boat....

just my opinion like!

lol :grin:

 

[ward1848]

Same team as beat Chelsea

How could you justify changing anything?

I would have Charlie, Lennon and Palacios on the bench as game changers.

Looking at the team that put City to the sword, getting someone on Scholes is the only thing we need to worry about. But unless we go 5 in the middle (and loose some offensiev threat as we have no out and out lone striker that can hold up and go in behind) I dont see us able to do that. Then again, we didnt do too bad against Chelseas or Arses 3 in the middle did we?

 

[ward1848]

If we look back at the last 2 games where we've played the best all season the midfield 2 have been Hudd and Modric. I believe that Palacios and Hudd don't bring the best out of each other when played together. When they do, 1 of them looks like they're having a bad game.

Gomes

Kaboul (Evra very important to play and Kaboul is match fit and physical match)
King (or Bassong if not fit)
Dawson
BAE

Bale
Palacios (more of a spoiler against Man U than Hudd)
Modric
Bentley (Lennon on later if fit to add impact)

EG
Crouch (they wouldn't be expecting it and will hold it up. Defoe has too many offsides - crucial against Vidic - and stops play going forward)

Husband and I have been discussing this for a few mins now and have realised that Harry has a bloody hard job!

Utd press up high, having a target man you need them to be deep or its not as easy to get ball to him and have him hold it. Pav and Defoe would stop them pressing so high, espec with Bale coming from deep against Neville (oo matron)

 

[Kendall]

Same team as beat Chelsea

How could you justify changing anything?

Easy. United ain't Chelsea. OT isn't White Hart Lane.