Telegraph investigation into football corruption

[Hoops]

It would be better if everyone told the Telegraph to fook off. Theres no evidence of anything.

 

[Hoops]

Manager 8
Agent Dax Price said this long-serving manager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each

doubt that would work at Tottenham

 

[THFCSPURS19]

It would be better if everyone told the Telegraph to fook off. Theres no evidence of anything.

Yep.

Apart from...y'know....the videos....

 

[Wellspurs]

No wonder 'arry looked a bit sheepish on BT earlier??

Just as I predicted... I must be a body reader?

 

[mpickard2087]

What this does show in my opinion is a large reason why British managers/coaches aren't getting anywhere in the game.

These frauds, and some of them really are going on the results they 'achieve', are more interested in themselves and don't have that absolute passion and obsession to better themselves and their teams. For them it's just turn up at the weekend, select the best players, and it's up to them after that if they win or not.

The absolute commitment isn't there. Whilst (for a few of examples off the top of my head) a Guardiola will be sat all day in a room on his own reviewing the opposition and preparing for them or a Bielsa with his vast library of football matches he watches or even fucking AVB spending so long at the training ground he ends up sleeping there, in comparison British coaches, especially the old school as I think things are slowly starting to change in fairness, treat it almost as a part time job in comparison. I don't begrudge anyone a social life and time away from the game, but this is just showing that a lot of these individuals will take any opportunity to have a bit of a jolly and for others to blow smoke up their arse and tell them how great they are. Especially if theirs an opportunity to fill their wallets, kosher or not. Maybe a bit more commitment to bettering yourself and your teams and you might get to the very top of the football tree.

 

[Norse]

If Harry etc. are involved as rumoured, the next question becomes "which deals involving Spurs-transfers should be looked into."

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

If Harry etc. are involved as rumoured, the next question becomes "which deals involving Spurs-transfers should be looked into."

Chimbonda?
Pienaar?
The rubbish Brazilian?

 

[Norse]

And even if nothing is found, it might still explain the rift/distrust Levy had towards Redknapp with regards to transfers. Sure, Levy wantet young talents, Redknapp were prepared to let them go and bought older, stopgap players, but having succeded in the City, Levy must be far from naive.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Chimbonda?
Pienaar?
The rubbish Brazilian?

You spelt Shimbomba wrong

 

[UpTownSpur]

What this does show in my opinion is a large reason why British managers/coaches aren't getting anywhere in the game.

These frauds, and some of them really are going on the results they 'achieve', are more interested in themselves and don't have that absolute passion and obsession to better themselves and their teams. For them it's just turn up at the weekend, select the best players, and it's up to them after that if they win or not.

The absolute commitment isn't there. Whilst (for a few of examples off the top of my head) a Guardiola will be sat all day in a room on his own reviewing the opposition and preparing for them or a Bielsa with his vast library of football matches he watches or even fucking AVB spending so long at the training ground he ends up sleeping there, in comparison British coaches, especially the old school as I think things are slowly starting to change in fairness, treat it almost as a part time job in comparison. I don't begrudge anyone a social life and time away from the game, but this is just showing that a lot of these individuals will take any opportunity to have a bit of a jolly and for others to blow smoke up their arse and tell them how great they are. Especially if theirs an opportunity to fill their wallets, kosher or not. Maybe a bit more commitment to bettering yourself and your teams and you might get to the very top of the football tree.

Rubbish. I imagine there's plenty of dodginess going on in most leagues around the world. It's probably worse in most places as there's less scrutiny. The problem English managers face is that they're competing with jobs from a world wide market of talent as English clubs pay the most. Italian and Portuguese managers, for example, generally only have to compete for jobs with other Italian or Portuguese managers, certainly outside the top three or four clubs.

 

[mill]

Rubbish. I imagine there's plenty of dodginess going on in most leagues around the world. It's probably worse in most places as there's less scrutiny. The problem English managers face is that they're competing with jobs from a world wide market of talent as English clubs pay the most. Italian and Portuguese managers, for example, generally only have to compete for jobs with other Italian or Portuguese managers, certainly outside the top three or four clubs.

Really? I've heard warnock say how on the coaches courses how he and Harry had a right laugh at the other coaches taking notes and actually trying to learn, cos let's face it, they know it all already, warnock admits the championship is his level, maybe if he could've been arsed to put some effort into improving himself he'd of stepped up a level. 'didn't do that in my day' is a staple of managers like them and dalgleish and pleat etc.

They've no interest in innovation tactically, and are narrow minded in their approach, dalgleish is even bitter at the thought of a young British coach doing well, 'ball's still round' 'goals are still the same size' , no credit where credit's due attitude

 

[Col_M]

Manager 8

Agent Dax Price said this long-servingmanager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each


I don't understand this. Why would a player accept this offer? Yes it's more cash but the manger is dragging them into the mire with him
I assume they don't know about the other players??

 

[Col_M]

If Harry etc. are involved as rumoured, the next question becomes "which deals involving Spurs-transfers should be looked into."

I thought levy managed all the deals and the committee chose players? I'm sure they knew v well what HR was like hence no final say in the matter.

 

[mill]

Manager 8

Agent Dax Price said this long-servingmanager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each


I don't understand this. Why would a player accept this offer? Yes it's more cash but the manger is dragging them into the mire with him
I assume they don't know about the other players??

Greed and the arrogance of believing themselves untouchable I'd guess

 

[Danners9]

Manager 8

Agent Dax Price said this long-servingmanager would pick three trusted players and tell them he was paying them an extra £8,000 per month, on condition that they paid him £4,000 per month each


I don't understand this. Why would a player accept this offer? Yes it's more cash but the manger is dragging them into the mire with him
I assume they don't know about the other players??

this was the basis of Jason Puncheon's rant against Neil Warnock: http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/j...tter-to-accuse-neil-warnock-of-being-crooked/

8k more for the player, more than he would normally expect, but half goes to the manager as a kickback for signing him, and half (?) of the appearance bonus, thus earning them both money. They are both ripping the club off but the player is getting to play when perhaps he wouldn't normally - which then means he could get another move a year later or add to his retirement fund.

In the 'Class of 92 - Out of their league' series, one of the Salford players took a week off to go and do some modeling work in Germany for 5k because without that money he would struggle to pay the bills during the summer, without football.

 

[Norse]

The UK, like my country Norway, is amongst the cleanest countries in general, but inside each country there are differences between sectors.

With regards to football in England, it had long been stupidly conservative, which is why the likes of Wenger had such success. Now it seems to have changed at the top clubs, global businesses and all, but further down, I would expect things to still be done the old way, with the old networks.

That's not to say it's clean at the top, given who owns some of the clubs (ie Abrahamsson in Chelsea, a russian oligark), but I would expect the problems to be further out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

 

[Col_M]

The UK, like my country Norway, is amongst the cleanest countries in general, but inside each country there are differences between sectors.

With regards to football in England, it had long been stupidly conservative, which is why the likes of Wenger had such success. Now it seems to have changed at the top clubs, global businesses and all, but further down, I would expect things to still be done the old way, with the old networks.

That's not to say it's clean at the top, given who owns some of the clubs (ie Abrahamsson in Chelsea, a russian oligark), but I would expect the problems to be further out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

That's a very bold statement to make. Why not aitaly for example who actually CATCH and PROSECUTE offenders? Just because there isn't little evidence doesn't mean it's clean. I can't comment on Norway as I don't know it but surely a league that's out of the public eye is easier to dabble with as match fixing goes unnoticed?


Hehe. I said Bold Statement after having Bolded it....... ah never mind.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

If Harry etc. are involved as rumoured, the next question becomes "which deals involving Spurs-transfers should be looked into."

That chap from South Africa that never played a single game.....Vuvuzela??? Mabilela??? Consuela??? whatever is name was!

 

[JerryGarcia]

That chap from South Africa that never played a single game.....Vuvuzela??? Mabilela??? Consuela??? whatever is name was!

Bongani Khumalo?

Interestingly his Wiki page says he ended up at Barcelona

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bongani_Khumalo

 

[mill]

Mabizela?

Edit: he was around hoddle time so just ignore me