The Daniel Levy thread

[jambreck]

Us improving after selling bale or modric and vdv hasn't happened yet though tbh and we don't know for sure that we will

True.

But there was also no guarantee that things would have turned out well for us if we had kept Bale against his will.

My point is that those who have to make these decisions are between a rock and a hard place. They were faced with a choice between two far from ideal options.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Selling the three of the best players in the world isn't going to help a club of our size.

Bale is a freak of nature

 

[SpurSince57]

Us improving after selling bale or modric and vdv hasn't happened yet though tbh and we don't know for sure that we will

In fact, 2012-13 saw us beat the previous season's points total and equal our third-best haul ever, without the assistance of Modric and VdV. Last season, without Bale, we were three points worse off, although our PPG in the 22 games under Sherwood equated to 72 points over a season. As with the loss of Berbatov, the reality is that if we might arguably have been better off with these players, we clearly haven't been any the worse off as far as results are concerned.

But we're only four points better off, and one place worse off, than we were with Jol eight years ago, despite several managerial changes and squillions spent on players. We've had to run to stand still. A glance at turnover tells you why.

United: £363m
Arsenal: £283m
City: £271m
Chelsea: £260m
Liverpool: £206m
Spurs: £147m
Newcastle: £96m
Wigan: £56m

Liverpool are as far ahead of us as we are ahead of the Barcodes, who have the seventh biggest turnover. The others are even further ahead. With wages…

City: £233m (86%)
United: £181m (50%)
Chelsea: £179m (69%)
Arsenal: £154m (54%)
Liverpool: £132m (64%)
Spurs: £96m (65%)
QPR: £78m (128%) (!!!!!!!)
Wigan: £44m (79%)

The reality is that Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United can pay more for players, pay them more, and that four of them will be able to offer CL football. Unless two of them run into problems—which was the case when we got our fourth places—we are going to have to be content with Europa League. An exceptional manager could bridge the gap—but then, these clubs will have exceptional managers or exceptional players, or both.

 

[mill]

In fact, 2012-13 saw us beat the previous season's points total and equal our third-best haul ever, without the assistance of Modric and VdV. Last season, without Bale, we were three points worse off, although our PPG in the 22 games under Sherwood equated to 72 points over a season. As with the loss of Berbatov, the reality is that if we might arguably have been better off with these players, we clearly haven't been any the worse off as far as results are concerned.

But we're only four points better off, and one place worse off, than we were with Jol eight years ago, despite several managerial changes and squillions spent on players. We've had to run to stand still. A glance at turnover tells you why.

United: £363m
Arsenal: £283m
City: £271m
Chelsea: £260m
Liverpool: £206m
Spurs: £147m
Newcastle: £96m
Wigan: £56m

Liverpool are as far ahead of us as we are ahead of the Barcodes, who have the seventh biggest turnover. The others are even further ahead. With wages…

City: £233m (86%)
United: £181m (50%)
Chelsea: £179m (69%)
Arsenal: £154m (54%)
Liverpool: £132m (64%)
Spurs: £96m (65%)
QPR: £78m (128%) (!!!!!!!)
Wigan: £44m (79%)

The reality is that Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool and United can pay more for players, pay them more, and that four of them will be able to offer CL football. Unless two of them run into problems—which was the case when we got our fourth places—we are going to have to be content with Europa League. An exceptional manager could bridge the gap—but then, these clubs will have exceptional managers or exceptional players, or both.

I don't care what the stats say, the team with bale, modric and vdv was better than the team we've had for the last couple of seasons

 

[NEVILLEB]

The whole points total debate is silly.

The Premiership changes in strength from season to season.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't care what the stats say, the team with bale, modric and vdv was better than the team we've had for the last couple of seasons

I absolutely agree it was a lot better to watch, and—as I said—you can argue that we'd be better if they were still here. What you can't argue is that their departure has been a total disaster. We've compensated to a remarkable degree.

 

[SpurSince57]

The whole points total debate is silly.

The Premiership changes in strength from season to season.

Yes, it's a lot stronger now than it was in 2005-06. A side of the equivalent quality to the one we had then would be mid-table at best now. As I said, we've had to run to stand still. However, although our current squad is far, far stronger than Jol's, it's in the same relative position, one place worse off because City, who were right out of the picture back then, became the beneficiaries of Sheikh Yerbooti's petrobillions.

 

[Mullers]

I know there has been a load threads commenting on Levy and this one is just going to get closed. This summer once again we have failed to reinforce our squad properly and it remains unbalanced. If Spurs need to sell before they buy just tell the players they will not be registered for next season.

Levy is one of the key problems at the club he does not seem to get the fact the hard negotiations have lost us money on both Gomes and Bentley and mean that we constantly fail to get the targets the manager asks for. Sometimes this is a good thing but the fact is we have qualified for the champions league once in his reign and never built the stability that a club like the s*** have. Spurs never want to build on what we have it is always we have to sell in order to buy.

The hard negotiations have also lost us players like Carrick when he played for us he was on 20k a week and when his agent approached Spurs about a 45k a week deal he was told to goo away that he was already on a good deal. Then that summer Man United became interested and Levy tried to get him to stay he was no longer interested in staying.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/levy.111258/

Wow what a backlash @fedupyid got for his OP just because he dared to say something about Levy.

 

[sloth]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/levy.111258/

Wow what a backlash @fedupyid got for his OP just because he dared to say something about Levy.

You bored Mullers?

 

[Mullers]

You bored Mullers?

Yep, bored of the abuse that someone gets for daring to say anything negative about the club.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Yep, bored of the abuse that someone gets for daring to say anything negative about the club.

This wasn't a good start to be honest....

I know there has been a load threads commenting on Levy and this one is just going to get closed.

Thanks for finding this thread and not starting a new one though

 

[Mullers]

This wasn't a good start to be honest....


Thanks for finding this thread and not starting a new one though

I would question whether there are loads of threads about Levy tbh but even so I don't think that line was deserving of the response he got.

 

[Yid-ol]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/levy.111258/

Wow what a backlash @fedupyid got for his OP just because he dared to say something about Levy.

To be fair, there is a lot to disagree with on the op there.

 

[Mullers]

To be fair, there is a lot to disagree with on the op there.

It depends what side of the fence you are on. Disagreeing is fine but abusing him isn't.

 

[eViL]

I love Daniel Levy.

Some fans should be careful what they wish for.

 

[parklane1]

You bored Mullers?

He has not had a lot to moan at lately

 

[Mullers]

He has not had a lot to moan at lately

In regards to Levy you're actually right. The only criticism I'd make is if he waits until deadline day to get players that Poch wants and I just bumped this topic because I thought the backlash that @fedupyid was unfair.

 

[parklane1]

In regards to Levy you're actually right. The only criticism I'd make is if he waits until deadline day to get players that Poch wants and I just bumped this topic because I thought the backlash that @fedupyid was unfair.

Well the players we seem to want are MS and MM and it is nothing to do with anyone from Spurs waiting that is holding these up. Unless you know different?

 

[CRUSADER]

Top four teams just got better and better. We did not.

 

[Mullers]

Well the players we seem to want are MS and MM and it is nothing to do with anyone from Spurs waiting that is holding these up. Unless you know different?

It's like I said on numerous occasions if we can't get these players we should move on, not go back in for them on deadline day because we hope that the players club position has changed.