The Daniel Levy thread

[sloth]

I wasn't asking any of those questions but I might get back to your answers at a later date, let me go back to original line and try and explain things from there.

When I asked you what should be the target I was working under the assumption that you had accepted that Levy had set a target of top 4 for Jol, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood.
Do you think Levy set a target of top 4 for these managers or you don't think that happened?

Mullers what could be clearer than:

"To elaborate the target should be to try and win the PL, that is what the club will be working towards. All will know that it's tough and unlikely, if we can't then we'll be targeting a place in the CL, also tough, but more doable. If we don't get top six we'll be disappointed and there will be a 'what went wrong' inquest. If we don't get top eight then unless there are good extenuating circumstances Poch's job will be on the line."

 

[Mullers]

Mullers what could be clearer than:

"To elaborate the target should be to try and win the PL, that is what the club will be working towards. All will know that it's tough and unlikely, if we can't then we'll be targeting a place in the CL, also tough, but more doable. If we don't get top six we'll be disappointed and there will be a 'what went wrong' inquest. If we don't get top eight then unless there are good extenuating circumstances Poch's job will be on the line."

But I just said I wasn't asking the questions you thought I was asking. Ok I know what you think the target should be but this doesn't answer the question which I just set out.

 

[Dinghy]

But I just said I wasn't asking the questions you thought I was asking. Ok I know what you think the target should be but this doesn't answer the question which I just set out.

I think the problem here is people are seeing "target" as synonymous with "minimum expectations".

 

[sloth]

But I just said I wasn't asking the questions you thought I was asking. Ok I know what you think the target should be but this doesn't answer the question which I just set out.

Jesus Christ!!! Mullers you're obtuse!!! What don't you get about what I've said?

""To elaborate the target should be to try and win the PL, that is what the club will be working towards. All will know that it's tough and unlikely, if we can't then we'll be targeting a place in the CL, also tough, but more doable. If we don't get top six we'll be disappointed and there will be a 'what went wrong' inquest. If we don't get top eight then unless there are good extenuating circumstances Poch's job will be on the line."

Surely it's clear from the highlighted parts that I'm talking about what the club's targets will be and the various consequences when they're not hit?

 

[Mullers]

Jesus Christ!!! Mullers you're obtuse!!! What don't you get about what I've said?

""To elaborate the target should be to try and win the PL, that is what the club will be working towards. All will know that it's tough and unlikely, if we can't then we'll be targeting a place in the CL, also tough, but more doable. If we don't get top six we'll be disappointed and there will be a 'what went wrong' inquest. If we don't get top eight then unless there are good extenuating circumstances Poch's job will be on the line."

Surely it's clear from the highlighted parts that I'm talking about what the club's targets will be and the various consequences when they're not hit?

But I'm not asking what they will be, or about Poch what I asked was, do you think Levy set a target of top 4 for these managers or you don't think that happened?
Those managers being Jol, Redknapp, Sherwood and AVB. what you said doesn't answer the question unless you are applying to the previous managers as well.

 

[Mullers]

I think the problem here is people are seeing "target" as synonymous with "minimum expectations".

You may be right.

 

[sloth]

But I'm not asking what they will be, or about Poch what I asked was, do you think Levy set a target of top 4 for these managers or you don't think that happened?
Those managers being Jol, Redknapp, Sherwood and AVB. what you said doesn't answer the question unless you are applying to the previous managers as well.

Fucking hell!!! Are you doing this deliberately Mullers?

Just apply my logic to the previous managers and you'll easily know what I think the club's approach has been.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand? I honestly don't believe you're stupid, but the way you keep acting like you don't get it, I mean do you really not get it...? Really?

 

[Mullers]

Fucking hell!!! Are you doing this deliberately Mullers?

Just apply my logic to the previous managers and you'll easily know what I think the club's approach has been.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand? I honestly don't believe you're stupid, but the way you keep acting like you don't get it, I mean do you really not get it...? Really?

This is what I asked you on Monday.

Are you kind of applying post 4670084 with what you think happened with what happened with Jol, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood? Or am I way off the mark?

For some reason that confused you, nevermind we got there in the end!

 

[sloth]

This is what I asked you on Monday.

Are you kind of applying post 4670084 with what you think happened with what happened with Jol, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood? Or am I way off the mark?

For some reason that confused you, nevermind we got there in the end!

Good, now we've got that sorted, why did you want to know?

 

[tototoner]

Thread starting to read like a fucking court judgement

 

[karennina]

Thread starting to read like a fucking court judgement

All the Minicantango!! making it impossible to settle down and read it that way though.

 

[Dinghy]

I think the problem here is people are seeing "target" as synonymous with "minimum expectations".

You may be right.

You know that they're not don't you?

 

[Ionman34]

Well yes.
You've basically dismissed quotes talking about expectations, then said the chairman sets the target of top 4 and that is what it should be. If he sets that target then surely there is an expectation that the coaches can reach it?
Also why should the target be top 4 if our financial position is 6th?

Ambition mate. Remember Bill Nic's own words, "it is better to fail aiming high than succeed aiming low..."

The brief Levy gives his managers is exactly as it should be. As Sloth has said, there is no evidence that these managers have been sacked because they didn't get CL, it's more because Levy has looked to upgrade IMO.

Yes he has cocked up often here, I doubt you'd get too many arguments on that score, but I see it as Levy adopting that fundamental Spurs philosophy. He's done it in a flawed manner I believe, but his heart is in the right place imo.

 

[spurs9]

Daniel Levy has been labelled as a ‘genius’ for a move which could be set to see the club’s following in the United States soar.

Spurs signed a multi-year agreement with sports company Fanatics last week in a bid to help grow the club’s brand in the North American markets, and USA sports expert John Kreger believes that the move is a shrewd one from Levy.

Spurs have become the first Premier League team to sign a deal with the Fanatics company, and Kreger feels that the deal could be set to see the north London side’s popularity boom on the other side of the Atlantic.

Speaking to talkSPORT, Kreger said: ‘Tottenham has become the first Premier League team to sign a marketing deal with a US-based online sporting retailer (Fanatics) – This is ab absolute coup for Tottenham Hotspur as they continue to move forward.

‘This is a stroke of genius by Daniel Levy – With their reach and e-mail lists, which are some of the largest in the United States, Tottenham will be able to relentless market their club, their merchandise and their brand.’



Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/17/totte...nius-for-fanatics-deal-5300008/#ixzz3gNev45P1

 

[Sarsipius]

‘This is a stroke of genius by Daniel Levy – With their reach and e-mail lists, which are some of the largest in the United States, Tottenham will be able to relentless market their club, their merchandise and their brand.’

There's nothing like relentless spamming to get people excited about a team they've never heard of before and a sport they don't really care for.

Marketing masterstroke.

 

[Lilbaz]

There's nothing like relentless spamming to get people excited about a team they've never heard of before and a sport they don't really care for.

Marketing masterstroke.

I still am not too sure what Kabaddi is but I've bought a Jaipur Pink Panthers outfit.

 

[Nerine]

No. He's not.

However he does seem more concerned with balancing the books than trying to win things. That said, would I like to see the back of him?

No.

He's almost achieved meme levels of cult status.

Levy is awesome, and probably the coolest chairman in the league.

 

[Mullers]

You know that they're not don't you?

I think it's been established who means what. So all good.

Good, now we've got that sorted, why did you want to know?

To me if there is a target set then there is an expectation that the target should be reached.

Going back to what you said earlier about us being top of the middleweight division, I would say that we were super middleweights, with 5th place being light heavyweight and 4th place upwards being the heavyweight division. Roy Jones Jr is the only boxer in a 100 years to win titles at middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight.

He had one fight at the heavyweight division against Jon Ruiz, who was slow and ponderous, Jones just used a clever strategy of not standing to trade and using his fast footwork to box rings around Ruiz and he won easily, however he knew that he didn't have the power to stay in that division and fight the likes of Lennox Lewis and Tyson.

Equating that to us we don't have the financial power to get into the heavyweight division and weve failed to settle on a clever strategy, so to set a target of heavyweight when we are a super middleweight is wholly wrong.

Ambition mate. Remember Bill Nic's own words, "it is better to fail aiming high than succeed aiming low..."

The brief Levy gives his managers is exactly as it should be. As Sloth has said, there is no evidence that these managers have been sacked because they didn't get CL, it's more because Levy has looked to upgrade IMO.

Yes he has cocked up often here, I doubt you'd get too many arguments on that score, but I see it as Levy adopting that fundamental Spurs philosophy. He's done it in a flawed manner I believe, but his heart is in the right place imo.

I unsurprisingly don't agree that Levy was so reasonable with his brief, these managers obviously felt a great deal of pressure to get a champions league spot.

I've said before but I don't know why people need to qualify his mistakes by saying his heart is in the right place. It's not an excuse used when a player makes a mistake or a manager or even posters on this site!

I still am not too sure what Kabaddi is but I've bought a Jaipur Pink Panthers outfit.

kabaddi is the Indian version of British Bulldog,

 

[sebcole]

No I like Levy to an extant but another thought crossed my mind and I wasn't sure where to put it:

There should be a label given to football clubs akin to the ORGANIC label in the food industry.

Clubs that have been transformed beyond their wildest dreams through purely currency and no culture should not be allowed this label - but clubs like us, everton, boston utd..etc should have these green lables, because up to a point we have done it with our own culture and resources.

Where that line is drawn should be pretty obvious, Man City and Chelsea really. you can say Man Utd have earnt their success, as have Arsenal, depending on how you define success.

Could even create organic leagues vs inorganic ones but would have to not be limited to location / countries.

Go green sprouts !

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

No I like Levy to an extant but another thought crossed my mind and I wasn't sure where to put it:

There should be a label given to football clubs akin to the ORGANIC label in the food industry.

Clubs that have been transformed beyond their wildest dreams through purely currency and no culture should not be allowed this label - but clubs like us, everton, boston utd..etc should have these green lables, because up to a point we have done it with our own culture and resources.

Where that line is drawn should be pretty obvious, Man City and Chelsea really. you can say Man Utd have earnt their success, as have Arsenal, depending on how you define success.

Could even create organic leagues vs inorganic ones but would have to not be limited to location / countries.

Go green sprouts !

Hmm I do believe that if you go back in Man Utd's history then there are times where they have vastly outspent anything that Man City and Chelsea have spent in the modern day.

They have been bailed out by very rich owners in the past, in not too dissimilar a fashion to how Chelsea have been.