The Daniel Levy thread

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I think it's been established who means what. So all good.


To me if there is a target set then there is an expectation that the target should be reached.

Going back to what you said earlier about us being top of the middleweight division, I would say that we were super middleweights, with 5th place being light heavyweight and 4th place upwards being the heavyweight division. Roy Jones Jr is the only boxer in a 100 years to win titles at middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight.

He had one fight at the heavyweight division against Jon Ruiz, who was slow and ponderous, Jones just used a clever strategy of not standing to trade and using his fast footwork to box rings around Ruiz and he won easily, however he knew that he didn't have the power to stay in that division and fight the likes of Lennox Lewis and Tyson.

Equating that to us we don't have the financial power to get into the heavyweight division and weve failed to settle on a clever strategy, so to set a target of heavyweight when we are a super middleweight is wholly wrong.



I unsurprisingly don't agree that Levy was so reasonable with his brief, these managers obviously felt a great deal of pressure to get a champions league spot.

I've said before but I don't know why people need to qualify his mistakes by saying his heart is in the right place. It's not an excuse used when a player makes a mistake or a manager or even posters on this site!


kabaddi is the Indian version of British Bulldog,

Sigh, thanks for making me lose the next 2 hours on youtube

 

[sebcole]

Hmm I do believe that if you go back in Man Utd's history then there are times where they have vastly outspent anything that Man City and Chelsea have spent in the modern day.

They have been bailed out by very rich owners in the past, in not too dissimilar a fashion to how Chelsea have been.

Hmm that would explain a lot!! And my intuition thought as much but my history is not good in footballing terms. I can explain theories of how the Homo Sapien came to be the most powerful and dominant life form on planet Earth, but not much in terms of how Man Utd fared in the 50's.

Is that how they recuperated from the Munich disaster?

If so, then it makes Arsenal the best Organic talent in England - but then they are not Organic in another sense are they??? They interloped on our decreed and earned territory of North London, claiming for their own what was rightfully ours? Again, all this on account - since I was not there to judge it.

But that is in a locational sense. Would that make Liverpool England's best all Organic side ?

 

[Ionman34]

I unsurprisingly don't agree that Levy was so reasonable with his brief, these managers obviously felt a great deal of pressure to get a champions league spot.

I've said before but I don't know why people need to qualify his mistakes by saying his heart is in the right place. It's not an excuse used when a player makes a mistake or a manager or even posters on this site!


kabaddi is the Indian version of British Bulldog,

The managers should feel pressure from their Chairman, they're paid very handsomely to deal with that pressure.

In all honesty, which scenario would you prefer, Levy setting a brief and an expectation, or Levy saying, "I want a top 4 finish this season, but don't worry if you don't get there, I'm easy."

A bit trite I know, but it illustrates the point. Neither does the pressure indicate that he sacked them because they didn't make it.

Nor is the "his heart is in the right place" an excuse. It is an acceptance that he makes mistakes but has the right intentions. Needless to say, you make a generalisation based on some malcontent postings, often in the match thread and always emotional. The comparison is wrong anyway, there are plenty on here who are a tad more "benign" when a player or manager makes a mistake.

BTW, Kabbadi is an awesome game. I'm in stitches every turn when all you can hear is the team muttering Kabbadi over and over again.

 

[Ionman34]

No I like Levy to an extant but another thought crossed my mind and I wasn't sure where to put it:

There should be a label given to football clubs akin to the ORGANIC label in the food industry.

Clubs that have been transformed beyond their wildest dreams through purely currency and no culture should not be allowed this label - but clubs like us, everton, boston utd..etc should have these green lables, because up to a point we have done it with our own culture and resources.

Where that line is drawn should be pretty obvious, Man City and Chelsea really. you can say Man Utd have earnt their success, as have Arsenal, depending on how you define success.

Could even create organic leagues vs inorganic ones but would have to not be limited to location / countries.

Go green sprouts !

I reckon you've been at some "Green"...

And it ain't Sprouts!

 

[Mullers]

The managers should feel pressure from their Chairman, they're paid very handsomely to deal with that pressure.

In all honesty, which scenario would you prefer, Levy setting a brief and an expectation, or Levy saying, "I want a top 4 finish this season, but don't worry if you don't get there, I'm easy."

A bit trite I know, but it illustrates the point. Neither does the pressure indicate that he sacked them because they didn't make it.

Nor is the "his heart is in the right place" an excuse. It is an acceptance that he makes mistakes but has the right intentions. Needless to say, you make a generalisation based on some malcontent postings, often in the match thread and always emotional. The comparison is wrong anyway, there are plenty on here who are a tad more "benign" when a player or manager makes a mistake.

BTW, Kabbadi is an awesome game. I'm in stitches every turn when all you can hear is the team muttering Kabbadi over and over again.

They should feel pressure but not to get a place in the top 4 when our financial position is 6th.
I'd prefer a combination of the two scenarios. What i'd like Levy to do is explain what the club strategy is (if there is one)to the incoming coach so there is no confusion and set realistic targets.

 

[tiger666]

They should feel pressure but not to get a place in the top 4 when our financial position is 6th.
I'd prefer a combination of the two scenarios. What i'd like Levy to do is explain what the club strategy is (if there is one)to the incoming coach so there is no confusion and set realistic targets.

So what targets would you set?

 

[Mullers]

So what targets would you set?

I'd want the coach to work on bringing through youth to the first team, this is the bread and butter.
I would want us to go all out to try and win one cup or more and I would want Europa cup qualification.

 

[Ionman34]

I'd want the coach to work on bringing through youth to the first team, this is the bread and butter.
I would want us to go all out to try and win one cup or more and I would want Europa cup qualification.

And what evidence is there that this isn't similar to the brief that our managers have been given?

Don't forget mate, that is only part of the responsibilities, albeit the greater part. Sustainability is also a large part of their responsibility as an employee of the club. It seems to me that this may have played a large part in AVB leaving. He wanted expensive players but with no real guarantee of success. That is a greater risk with sustainability as, without high level success, your expenditure is greater than your income. We ain't Liverpool who are gambling hugely with their outlay, a gamble I believe they will ultimately lose on. United are also gambling big time, but less so than pool. The goons have their sustainability framework in place already and can spend almost as freely as United whilst occurring little, if any, debt and Wenger is starting to take advantage of that.

We have to have that sustainability now, as we have been building towards bigger things that will enable us a much better chance of cracking the top 3 monopoly.

I too would love to see more trophies, but I also understand that keeping in touch with the top 3/4 is imperative for our long term aspirations. Cracking it early would be lovely, as it should speed up the journey towards where we want to be, which is to be at the top table in Europe, not just domestically, and stay there indefinitely.

I hold a contrary opinion to you on the brief. I believe the target is always to crack the top 4 and that is the number 1 item on the list of expectations. But I believe that Levy's acceptance level is lower than that, 5th or 6th, as long as we remain competitive and the "best of the rest". I don't believe he "expects" trophies, but he does expect us to do well in any we go for. It is when we have the greater financial clout that I believe he will start expecting regular success with titles and trophies. All within a sustainable framework that makes shedloads of money.

I believe he is gunning for the win/win scenario, shareholders are happy as the initial outlay produces sustainable profits, fans are happy because we consistently challenge at the top, super rich benefactor or not. All he has to suffer are a few griping fans who want it all now.

I've been waiting a long time for Spurs to get back up there with European elite, I can wait a bit longer if it means that we stay up there so my kids get to see it rather than hear about it.

 

[TheGreenLily]

And what evidence is there that this isn't similar to the brief that our managers have been given?

Don't forget mate, that is only part of the responsibilities, albeit the greater part. Sustainability is also a large part of their responsibility as an employee of the club. It seems to me that this may have played a large part in AVB leaving. He wanted expensive players but with no real guarantee of success. That is a greater risk with sustainability as, without high level success, your expenditure is greater than your income. We ain't Liverpool who are gambling hugely with their outlay, a gamble I believe they will ultimately lose on. United are also gambling big time, but less so than pool. The goons have their sustainability framework in place already and can spend almost as freely as United whilst occurring little, if any, debt and Wenger is starting to take advantage of that.

We have to have that sustainability now, as we have been building towards bigger things that will enable us a much better chance of cracking the top 3 monopoly.

I too would love to see more trophies, but I also understand that keeping in touch with the top 3/4 is imperative for our long term aspirations. Cracking it early would be lovely, as it should speed up the journey towards where we want to be, which is to be at the top table in Europe, not just domestically, and stay there indefinitely.

I hold a contrary opinion to you on the brief. I believe the target is always to crack the top 4 and that is the number 1 item on the list of expectations. But I believe that Levy's acceptance level is lower than that, 5th or 6th, as long as we remain competitive and the "best of the rest". I don't believe he "expects" trophies, but he does expect us to do well in any we go for. It is when we have the greater financial clout that I believe he will start expecting regular success with titles and trophies. All within a sustainable framework that makes shedloads of money.

I believe he is gunning for the win/win scenario, shareholders are happy as the initial outlay produces sustainable profits, fans are happy because we consistently challenge at the top, super rich benefactor or not. All he has to suffer are a few griping fans who want it all now.

I've been waiting a long time for Spurs to get back up there with European elite, I can wait a bit longer if it means that we stay up there so my kids get to see it rather than hear about it.

Trust me, say the word sustainability and I am there knocking one out in no time.

The problem is, it comes down to the Saha Neilson moments, the getting three players on the cheap to see if they go up in value rather one piece of quality or player that fits the needs would have been perfect. AVB started his first season with four bloody Goalies, one LB...

The thing is we are not punching above weight, in fact, I think if we had gone for quality over quantity, kept our scouting network... I think we would have seen a lot more CL...

 

[Ionman34]

Trust me, say the word sustainability and I am there knocking one out in no time.

The problem is, it comes down to the Saha Neilson moments, the getting three players on the cheap to see if they go up in value rather one piece of quality or plyer that fits the needs would have been perfect. AVB started his first season with four fucking Goalies, 1 LB...

The thing is we are not punching above weight, in fact, I think if we had gone for quality over quantity, kept our scouting network... I think we would have seen a lot more CL...

You are probably right GL, it is a mistake I think the majority of us accept. My point is more that these mistakes are in the past and we've moved on from them. The signings after Bale left were a clear indication of intent though, we looked to bring in quality and, you could argue that we did. There was huge excitement at the acquisition of Soldado, Lamela and Paulinho, I can't recall anyone feeling that those buys weren't quality signings at the time. No one foresaw the Brazilian mainstay having such a mare, nor the Spanish goal machine go on a Sahara like drought. 2 were mistakes, though I'm eternally hopeful for Bobby ( something so likeable about the bloke). Lamela the jury is still out on, but I saw enough at the end of the season to believe that he will really come good. We also made some good acquisitions too though. Lloris has been masterful, Chadli has produced even though his season was, imo, pretty indifferent insofar as consistent performance is concerned.

So it seems the club have learnt from this and have improved the "player identification" process, for want of a better description, with the advent of Broomfield, him being what they believe is the solution, or at least an essential cog in it.

We'd all love it done faster, or more flawlessly, but mistakes will always be made and these have an impact on a team in our position. The top 4 can throw money at it until they hit paydirt, we have no such luxury.

As long as I see 2 steps forward for every one step back, I'm more than happy with what we have. For the last 10 years we have been witness to this, until we have pretty much hit our glass ceiling, in terms of success v income. As has been demonstrated by the top 4 for decades, the higher your income, the greater your chances for success.

Like I said, if waiting a little longer means my kids and I can watch us in the elite year in, year out, then call me Captain Patient!

 

[mill]

You are probably right GL, it is a mistake I think the majority of us accept. My point is more that these mistakes are in the past and we've moved on from them. The signings after Bale left were a clear indication of intent though, we looked to bring in quality and, you could argue that we did. There was huge excitement at the acquisition of Soldado, Lamela and Paulinho, I can't recall anyone feeling that those buys weren't quality signings at the time. No one foresaw the Brazilian mainstay having such a mare, nor the Spanish goal machine go on a Sahara like drought. 2 were mistakes, though I'm eternally hopeful for Bobby ( something so likeable about the bloke). Lamela the jury is still out on, but I saw enough at the end of the season to believe that he will really come good. We also made some good acquisitions too though. Lloris has been masterful, Chadli has produced even though his season was, imo, pretty indifferent insofar as consistent performance is concerned.

So it seems the club have learnt from this and have improved the "player identification" process, for want of a better description, with the advent of Broomfield, him being what they believe is the solution, or at least an essential cog in it.

We'd all love it done faster, or more flawlessly, but mistakes will always be made and these have an impact on a team in our position. The top 4 can throw money at it until they hit paydirt, we have no such luxury.

As long as I see 2 steps forward for every one step back, I'm more than happy with what we have. For the last 10 years we have been witness to this, until we have pretty much hit our glass ceiling, in terms of success v income. As has been demonstrated by the top 4 for decades, the higher your income, the greater your chances for success.

Like I said, if waiting a little longer means my kids and I can watch us in the elite year in, year out, then call me Captain Patient!

Sadly there's no guarantee of us being in the elite year in year out

 

[Tott66]

Levy shaping up for his usual transfer window profit stands at 19m out .32m in at the moment .... Let's see come September

 

[Ionman34]

Sadly there's no guarantee of us being in the elite year in year out

No guarantee, no.

But it is the target we should aim for and, imo, is what we are eventually aiming for.

 

[tototoner]

Good to see Levy has brought new players in early so they can settle and we can start the season running.

Same story every fucking season

 

[tototoner]

Levy shaping up for his usual transfer window profit stands at 19m out .32m in at the moment .... Let's see come September

Could be too late by then

 

[tototoner]

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/31/tottenham-hotspur-fans-take-to-posting-levyout-as-transfer-deadl/

#LevyOut - Tottenham fans send message as deadline rush heads to final stages

A few examples

Levy's definitely standing on a nightclub dance floor waiting for that quarter to 3 bird #thfc #coys #levyout


#coys #LevyOut are you having a good day Daniel dreaming of top 4 are you

Sky sources: Tottenham are looking to put in bids for 15 players they know they can't get. #spurs #coys #levyout #enicout

 

[Shadydan]

Right...

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Should be ENIC out. I am starting to believe that Levy has little say in what we spend, and that is by design.

 

[Jamturk]

Should be ENIC out. I am starting to believe that Levy has little say in what we spend, and that is by design.

What do you mean?

 

[Dharmabum]

Levy has done an excellent job establishing Spurs as the best of the best...but he sure could have done a few things a bit better. Often times penny pinching is needed for a club like Spurs, otherwise it could end up in severe financial problems for the club. But at times the penny pinching back-fires; as the most recent incident show: the Martial deal. A deal for £20M was basically agreed only for Martial's agent to back out in the lats minutes. Levy should have been willing to up his bid (well, within "reason" of course) - as the ManU bid of £36M just shows that Martial was indeed "worth" more in the maket.
The problem with dead-line deals, btw, is that not even Ryan air nor Easy Jet flights are that cheap when bought in such short notice