The Formula 1 Thread

[Tucker]

Just rewatched the highlights of the race.

What’s very evident is that Hamilton is in a position where he can’t afford to make any mistakes, he can’t afford to take risky chances and end up not finishing or dropping down to third fourth fifth etc.

Verstappen can take those risks, and he also knows Hamilton won’t. Half of this recklessness from him is likely mind games, all the incidents at turn one, and in Brazil for example was essentially Vestappen saying “I can push you, you can’t push me.”. Stopping in the centre of the track was just a plain as day attempt to take Hamilton out of the race though imo. I remember the days of Senna/Prost and Schumacher/Hill, this is nothing new.

A ten second penalty doesn’t seem severe enough for me. I fully expect Verstappen to be aiming his car at Hamilton “strategically” in the next race, especially if he looks like he’s not going to beat him fair. He doesn’t have anything to lose.

 

[Wick3d]

Just rewatched the highlights of the race.

What’s very evident is that Hamilton is in a position where he can’t afford to make any mistakes, he can’t afford to take risky chances and end up not finishing or dropping down to third fourth fifth etc.

Verstappen can take those risks, and he also knows Hamilton won’t. Half of this recklessness from him is likely mind games, all the incidents at turn one, and in Brazil for example was essentially Vestappen saying “I can push you, you can’t push me.”. Stopping in the centre of the track was just a plain as day attempt to take Hamilton out of the race though imo. I remember the days of Senna/Prost and Schumacher/Hill, this is nothing new.

A ten second penalty doesn’t seem severe enough for me. I fully expect Verstappen to be aiming his car at Hamilton “strategically” in the next race, especially if he looks like he’s not going to beat him fair. He doesn’t have anything to lose.

Honestly I don't remember a season like this, and I blame the FIA really. They have enabled Max to get away with some questionable driving, which has created the current situation. Even Max's punishment for when he braked yesterday, its a look we're doing something to punish him but in reality it does nothing. They are more interested in creating a spectacle for the last race.

 

[mark87]

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Time was when penalties had to be served in the pit lane at a complete standstill. Bring that back.

I sort of agree, but that effectively turns a 5 second penalty into a 25/30 second penalty if it is incurred after the last round of tyre changes.
Fine if you can tag it onto a pit stop.

 

[Yid-ol]

How max views the race

 

[Yid-ol]

So if both max and lewis fail to finish or get points next race, max will win.

But is max only a head on wins due to Belgium GP? Or did they not class that as a win.

If it is, it's shocking that it could be decided on the points/win got on 2 laps behind a safety car!

Though I doubt both won't score unless there is a crash between them......

 

[NinjaTuna]

I don't really understand some of the butt hurt reactions around Max changing his tires on the red flag. It's been the rules all season, and it wouldn't have just been him that chanced their arm on the yellows turning into a red. RB took a gamble and it paid off.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don't really understand some of the butt hurt reactions around Max changing his tires on the red flag. It's been the rules all season, and it wouldn't have just been him that chanced their arm on the yellows turning into a red. RB took a gamble and it paid off.

I can't speak for anyone else - my concern was not with Max - fair play to him and Red Bull for opting for track position.

But, I think Masi and the stewards should have known at the time of the incident, it was a red flag event - given the constraints of the track itself, and the damage to the barrier - track simply not wide enough to safely get the car and fix the barriers under a safety car. So, they should have red-flagged it immediately, and brought everyone into the pits - and nobody would have been advantaged/disadvantaged by the incident.

By going safety car, then Red for the same incident, it unnecessarily created an advantage for some teams - with Max being the only one of consequence, thus the only one talked about.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

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How max views the race

Should have put a red turtle shell on the front of his car...

 

[beats1]

I think F1 need to re think the 5 and 10 second penalties.

This isn't just for the race yesterday but it doesn't work for max or lewis most the time. They are that far ahead of the rest if the one in second gets the penalty they still finish 2nd! It's not like when the cars were all a lot closer and that penalty did drop you down. But then on the flip side the 5 and 10 seconds still work for the middle teams, so you can't then change it to be different for the front runners.

And also giving a position back ‘strategically’...it’s bullshit.

This is where Massey was enabling Max's dangerous behaviour

Max did the dangerous rejoin, which allowed Max to go first and then Ocan 2nd by giving the position back, lewis is still punished for not crashing in to Max and allow Ocan to jump 2 places. Not to mention Lewis has to watch Ocan in the restart rather than defend

However Massey by going over the stewards head, stopped Max getting a 5 second penalty, which at that point would have sent him back more than 3 places

 

[Gb160]

 

[Yid-ol]

I think the better play would be to keep lewis with his engine as still seems to have the power, I think he saved it a bit for the last few laps when max was dropping off anyway.

If they give Bottas a new one. Means he will drop down but might mean he can overtake enough to get back up to max and get involved with him.

 

[Tucker]

Yeah I think actually having to overtake Verstappen would be too much of a risk, he’ll just drive Hamilton off the track, or out of the race altogether. Hamilton needs to get pole and go off into the sunset.

 

[Gb160]

Yeah I think actually having to overtake Verstappen would be too much of a risk, he’ll just drive Hamilton off the track, or out of the race altogether. Hamilton needs to get pole and go off into the sunset.

Yeah that’s the only real risk, albeit quite a big one.
I’ve got no faith in Max approaching the race fairly, and even less faith in the authorities punishishing him accordingly if/when he does something stupid.

 

[aliyid]

I guess we don’t have to worry about this clashing with the Brighton game anymore

 

[Rocksuperstar]

FP1 out of the way - definitely get the feeling Mercedes will be keeping aaaaalll of their powder dry during practice, right up until the last moment. Give Red Bull the feeling that they're putting up competitive times, before obliterating them with both cars going half a second clear.



Could get spicy.

 

[MotspurHotspur]

Come On Lewis! Blow them all away.

 

[$hoguN]

max has f**ked his tyre there

 

[$hoguN]

Interesting strategy by Red Bull. Quick off the line but the tyres will fade fast

 

[Rocksuperstar]

That was some crafty-ass timing from Red Bull, I'm so impressed at how sly these teams can get when trying to eek an advantage. The maths behind some of these things makes my face ache.