The Formula 1 Thread

[carmeldevil]

F1 continues to have far more drama off the track than on. This could be devastating for Red Bull.

Considering the guy's last name, not a shocker

 

[Gb160]

So what's the spice boy 'allegedly' done then?
Inappropriate behaviour kinda screams sexy stuff no?

I think we should all take a turn guessing what he's done.
I reckon he's been caught with his cock in an exhaust pipe.

 

[Nice One Cyril]

Perhaps he made his staff listen to the Spice Girls...

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Hmm...

 

[Tucker]

Hmm...

Would be a bad look for Newey if he forced his way out of his contract because Horner gets the sack for being a sex pest (allegedly.)

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Would be a bad look for Newey if he forced his way out of his contract because Horner gets the sack for being a sex pest (allegedly.)

I notice the wording is one leaves the other "can" leave. If anything, it's a great opportunity for him to distance himself from any accusations that carry weight, if that clause exists and he doesn't take it. Subtly make sure that the press find out while he refuses to talk about it is probably his best option.

 

[Wick3d]

The F1 off-season never fails to create drama. It has been a bonkers week so far.

I don't understand one thing about the Horner situation: has he committed a crime? Why has the victim gone internally, and lets be honest, internal investigations are about protecting the company not the victim. Why not go straight to the police?

 

[Dunc2610]

The F1 off-season never fails to create drama. It has been a bonkers week so far.

I don't understand one thing about the Horner situation: has he committed a crime? Why has the victim gone internally, and lets be honest, internal investigations are about protecting the company not the victim. Why not go straight to the police?

Easy to say go to the Police....this is F1, the pressure to say nothing was probably massive let alone say something internally. And when it comes to inappropriate work place behaviour the first stop is always HR. No one has said he's raped her.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Listening to a few conversations about this on the radio last night and this morning - the complaint was made directly with Red Bull HQ, not the F1 team. If the victim raised it with them at head office and they felt it was baseless, or could be investigated internally among the team, they would've referred it back but it's telling the F1 team said publicly that no complaint had been made that they were aware of, only for RBHQ to turn around, rub the back of it's neck and raise a finger, saying, "Well, funny you say that..."

If it held no water they would've shuffled it back to the team but they've bought in an independent lawyer to examine the details. That speaks volumes. They're protecting their necks, their brand and their reputation, which suggests to me there is sufficient evidence or reason to believe the accusations.

 

[Wick3d]

Easy to say go to the Police....this is F1, the pressure to say nothing was probably massive let alone say something internally. And when it comes to inappropriate work place behaviour the first stop is always HR. No one has said he's raped her.

No, the first stop should always be the police. HR departments primarily safeguard the company's interests, not the employees'. The police, on the other hand, have the resources and impartiality to gather and assess all evidence thoroughly. In situations like these, I wouldn't place my trust in HR. The actions of RBHQ, aimed more at self-protection than addressing the issue, only reinforce this stance.

The statement 'No one has said he's raped her' is troublingly reductive, implying that police involvement is only warranted in cases of rape. This mindset dangerously overlooks the spectrum of sexual violence, which encompasses a range of unacceptable behaviours, not just rape. It's critical to acknowledge that all forms of sexual misconduct are serious and warrant investigation, not just the most extreme cases. Victims should feel validated and supported in seeking justice for any form of sexual violence, not just those deemed 'severe enough' by arbitrary standards.

 

[Dunc2610]

No, the first stop should always be the police. HR departments primarily safeguard the company's interests, not the employees'. The police, on the other hand, have the resources and impartiality to gather and assess all evidence thoroughly. In situations like these, I wouldn't place my trust in HR. The actions of RBHQ, aimed more at self-protection than addressing the issue, only reinforce this stance.

The statement 'No one has said he's raped her' is troublingly reductive, implying that police involvement is only warranted in cases of rape. This mindset dangerously overlooks the spectrum of sexual violence, which encompasses a range of unacceptable behaviours, not just rape. It's critical to acknowledge that all forms of sexual misconduct are serious and warrant investigation, not just the most extreme cases. Victims should feel validated and supported in seeking justice for any form of sexual violence, not just those deemed 'severe enough' by arbitrary standards.

Again, easy to say, and a wonderfully idealistic world you live in where any form of sexual misconduct from a wolf whistle to full rape should be reported and it'd be actioned (we all know that conviction rates for full rape are pitifully low in everyday life, let alone where a lot of money is involved)? So, Mr Horner sends suggestive messages, perhaps a dick pic or two, and you're saying straight to the police? I'm not condoning any actions he has taken, but I'm talking real world actions, where I would hazard a guess it took a lot of encouragement for the victim to even come forward even at an internal level. A

Also, there's no proof its actually anything to do with all this, there are reports of him being 'overly aggressive' in the work place, that could be anything from shouting at someone to full physical violence.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Obviously it’s all just rumors right now, but something like a sexual harassment claim - sending inappropriate materials for example - could rise to the level of an independent investigation, without rising to the level of illegal action - so nothing to report to the police. It’s likely a civil matter and not a criminal matter.

 

[Wick3d]

Again, easy to say, and a wonderfully idealistic world you live in where any form of sexual misconduct from a wolf whistle to full rape should be reported and it'd be actioned (we all know that conviction rates for full rape are pitifully low in everyday life, let alone where a lot of money is involved)? So, Mr Horner sends suggestive messages, perhaps a dick pic or two, and you're saying straight to the police? I'm not condoning any actions he has taken, but I'm talking real world actions, where I would hazard a guess it took a lot of encouragement for the victim to even come forward even at an internal level. A

Also, there's no proof its actually anything to do with all this, there are reports of him being 'overly aggressive' in the work place, that could be anything from shouting at someone to full physical violence.

Indeed, the journey from reporting sexual misconduct to seeing justice served is fraught with challenges, notably the low conviction rates in serious cases. Yet, it's crucial not to dismiss or downplay 'lesser' actions like inappropriate messages. These, too, contribute to a toxic work environment and deserve attention. The courage it takes for victims to come forward, even internally, highlights the intimidating nature of these settings and the pressing need for supportive, protective systems. Regardless of the specifics in Horner's case, it's vital that all allegations are treated seriously to ensure a respectful and safe workplace for all. I personally don't trust HR to do that.

 

[Dunc2610]

Indeed, the journey from reporting sexual misconduct to seeing justice served is fraught with challenges, notably the low conviction rates in serious cases. Yet, it's crucial not to dismiss or downplay 'lesser' actions like inappropriate messages. These, too, contribute to a toxic work environment and deserve attention. The courage it takes for victims to come forward, even internally, highlights the intimidating nature of these settings and the pressing need for supportive, protective systems. Regardless of the specifics in Horner's case, it's vital that all allegations are treated seriously to ensure a respectful and safe workplace for all. I personally don't trust HR to do that.

I don't either, and I don't like the guy at all, I think he's incredibly narcissistic and it wouldn't surprise me if he has done something. F1 is probably full of it, given the ratio of men to women and the positions of power held by mostly men (just look at the vitriol aimed at Suzie Wolff recently where she was accused of leaking 'secrets' to Toto).

 

[NickHSpurs]

TalkSport suggesting it could be a move from someone to have a reshuffle from within Red Bull HQ rather than Red Bull F1, sounds like whilst he gets on with his team on the F1 side, that's not necessarily the case on the Red Bull side.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Interesting comments from James Vowles, principal at Williams;

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Yes I am childish, but this made me laugh:

 

[Dunc2610]

Interesting comments from James Vowles, principal at Williams;

This pleases me, although I do think its still very much a mans world, even the skin colour is still very white!

Yes I am childish, but this made me laugh:

That's not childish, its just fact

 

[yankspurs]

Andretti devalues F1 though, don’t forget.

 

[Wick3d]

Nothing beats the drama of F1's off-season.