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The Insanity Of The Transfer Window (or what is really going on out there in the real world)

whitestreak

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The Insanity Of The Transfer Window

Levy and Lewis own the club…..not the fans…ouch it hurts but its true!

They have already invested £100s of millions of their money in improving it

Their plan is to invest £100s of millions more in a new stadium for generations to come in a new stadium and continued player purchases

They know for sure that success on the field is good for the club and RELEGATION would be a disaster

Likewise they know that breaking into the top 4 spells the beginning of a platform of more success winning the PL would be even better as would winning the CL… then their business and our club would move up towards the top 5 wealthy clubs in the world
That is in part their goal

So if the above is true why did they not back HR when the time was right?
I honestly don’t know, maybe because of trust issues with HR, maybe because they weren’t close enough with the stadium at the time to feel they could sustain the model

Since ENIC came in 14 years ago most people have been saying they are here for the quick buck…yet today, i believe they have been at the club for longer than any other PL owner
and in fact, longer than anyone other than Dave Whelan and Steve Gibson in the top 2 divisions.

The owners of ENIC are not stupid in fact far from it, I would suggest that they about as smart as anyone in the uk!

So lets look at a few of the issues

Since 2001 and the arrival of ENIC spurs have successfully bought over 120 players and sold or released around 200
This does not include all the work that goes into abortive deals that do not happen

That is 320 separate successful transactions, by and large excluding academy deals. in 14 years

That is a historical fact.

Imagine buying and selling 320 houses in 14 years…..

Do you think you would a know how to do it after the first 20 or so?

Would nt you reckon you were an expert after 100 and by the time you had bought and sold 300?
Kinda think ok every deal is different but I kinda got this now?

Would nt you also think there must be a system in place to do this in a streamlined efficient manner?

Most important you would have to give your word to people and keep it!
BTW I believe Levy was absolutely stuffed by Peace who reneged on his word to Levy Pochetino and Pulis Berahino,

Football is emotive there is an element of pantomime in it ……each chairman needs to look like a hero to his fans when a club higher up the food chain comes calling and Billy golden balls has his head turned….
Chairmen know this and work together, it suits them all to retain the status quo for as long as possible i.e. the transfer system.

If you analyse that fact against a background of conjecture that certain clubs do not wish to deal with us and Levy or the club does not know what he is doing or does not wish to buy Player X because he won’t pay the asking price he is too mean….

really, in the scheme of things it is irrelevant, a huge part of his function is to help his manager to be successful on the pitch otherwise why bother with the 320 transactions anyway?


it highlights the fact that it must be arrant nonsense to suggest their motivations were anything other than real they wanted the player x and failed to get him

Yet we have these self appointed experts who say pay the money
no matter what………. I am sure they tried to pay the money they thought the player was worth to them

Football in the EU is sitting on a powder keg
FIFA is a cartel and the EU can burst that bubble any minute they want.

Maybe thats one of the reasons clubs pay by instalments i.e. if the law changes
you get what you have had and lose the rest unpaid…... because they put in clause that
says so!

The landscape is changing, football especially with FIFA corruption sticks out like a sore thumb in every other walk of life it is a fundamental principle that you can leave your job
when you want, it is a founding principle of eu law, That everyman has free uninterrupted
ability to ply their trade when and where in the EU they like, sure there may be a notice period of a few months or even year or two but in any other walk of life, no new employer pays a transfer fee to an old one! The transfer system is over 100 years old and is NUTS in todays world

Today, Footballers get paid a lot of money because they are in the entertainment business like actors,…… simples. Actors are free to work for whom they like, whenever they like


Barca and Manu before them have proved that a strong academy is the way to go
In the light of the EU FIFA powder keg, is n’t the smart play to try and reduce the exposure build a fantastic academy and bring down your risk of high priced players on big contracts?would n’t you be trying to sell off your dead wood and cash in where you can?

Fill your club with gifted young players that have come through your thriving academy, so that when the apocalypse comes and the window is abolished , you are barely affected

Because of the new stadium and the risk associated with it for the next 5 or so years we as a club are vulnerable. Obviously as TV money increases, along with Club revenues generally that should help us pay it off quickly and reduce the risk down

I believe that is why we went for a manager like Pochettino, who has a successful track record of integrating youth, and why Levy said he did not wish to buy many players over £15m

All it would take to destroy the whole transfer structure would be a kid like Berahino
taking Peace to court, i am not saying it will be Berahino it could be anyone young or old
and the WHOLE SYSTEM goes POP
And it would, as the system is actually UNLAWFUL
the clubs and FIFA would lose, any court case in an EU court, they are operating a cartel, and they know it.

Clubs would have to write off billions, this is not far fetched, and will happen, the only question is when?

So if you were ENIC~with 100s of millions already invested and a committed plan to invest another 4-500m in a stadium alone ... what would you do?
 

Moorechild

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very interesting. Thanks for posting. if I were Enic, I might sell now then as the market price of our assets is vastly inflated by your logic.
 

NeverRed

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Personally I'd quite like to see the house of cards fall down. Anarchy and all that. I think we'd hold our own well and in a very different looking league. I would certainly be interesting to see how it unfolded.
 

whitestreak

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very interesting. Thanks for posting. if I were Enic, I might sell now then as the market price of our assets is vastly inflated by your logic.
I think if their motivation was purely financial you would be right.
However, I am not convinced that it is,I actually think that they have many easier ways to make money, and that they actually are looking at owning Tottenham for "other" reasons....
Lewis has always been low profile, so why football? its not as though it is a highly lucrative industry for owners .....unless they feel that real world wide pay per view is around the corner,owned and operated by the clubs, in which case they are sitting on a gold mine
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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I want some of what you're taking. I enjoyed, in particular, 'transfer apocalypse'.

As no expert in contract law, I cannot comment on the validity of your concerns. However, Players benefit from the contracts with sign on fees etc. So I cannot see it coming to pass. I'd like your crystal ball that tells us it will happen though.

Berahino, In your named example, signed his agreement and took the money. As they all do.
 

Lilbaz

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You're thinking of footballers as employees. Think of them more as businesses. They have signed a contract with another company to fulfill a task for them (play football for 5 years). As part of the deal they hand over their registration, this means that they cannot work for anyone else in that time without the others permission. Now either side can be in breach of the contract at anytime and it would be a case for the lawyers.

You mentioned actors. If an actor signs a multi picture deal with a studio there may also be a clause to say that they cannot work for a rival studio in that time. Not sure but i think tom hardy is basically owned by wb for the time being.
 

Hotspur33

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Forgetting the money for a minute, every team that competes in the football league and the eufa competitions, do so under the rules laid out by the governing bodies.
If the sale of players was to be abolished etc, then there would still be rules regarding the transfer of players. Players would still be paid, and the best players would still end up at the best clubs earning the most money. It would simply mean that transfers would work a lot like Bosman rules.
E.G- Player X agrees a deal with Man UTD, 200k a week for 3 years. He decides he wants to play for Madrid, then he is free to do so after the 3 years. If he kicks up a fuss he is breaking the rules, so is suspended from playing for anyone by the governing body. That won't be breaking any laws. He could go stack shelves if he wanted, but can't compete in F.A or eufa competitions.
There will still be plenty of TV money etc to go around. There will always be big money in Football
 

Lilbaz

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Forgetting the money for a minute, every team that competes in the football league and the eufa competitions, do so under the rules laid out by the governing bodies.
If the sale of players was to be abolished etc, then there would still be rules regarding the transfer of players. Players would still be paid, and the best players would still end up at the best clubs earning the most money. It would simply mean that transfers would work a lot like Bosman rules.
E.G- Player X agrees a deal with Man UTD, 200k a week for 3 years. He decides he wants to play for Madrid, then he is free to do so after the 3 years. If he kicks up a fuss he is breaking the rules, so is suspended from playing for anyone by the governing body. That won't be breaking any laws. He could go stack shelves if he wanted, but can't compete in F.A or eufa competitions.
There will still be plenty of TV money etc to go around. There will always be big money in Football

Think that would be against european law.

What they would have to do is agree a buyout clause in the contracts. If you want to leave in a certain period of time you pay us such and such. It's the law in spain and portugal to have them.
 

whitestreak

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Some people really need to wake up an smell the coffee!
This what a head of FIFPro said 2 years ago.. FIFPro is the world players union and they are chomping at the bit to pull the whole system down...google it theres loads more

They are waiting to fund a test case
http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/the-stability-of-contract-principle-no-longer-exists

In the light of what is going on I actually think that we are an amazingly well run club!

http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-announces-legal-challenge-to-transfer-system

so what would you do? Just pay the asking price to satisfy the fans knee-jerk need for instant gratification?

Or go after your targets with precision?And hope the system allows enough time for you to write off most of the costs before it collapses!
 
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Lilbaz

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Some people really need to wake up an smell the coffee!
This what a head of FIFPro said 2 years ago.. FIFPro is the world players union and they are chomping at the bit to pull the whole system down...google it theres loads more

They are waiting to fund a test case
http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/the-stability-of-contract-principle-no-longer-exists

In the light of what is going on I actually think that we are an amazingly well run club!

http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-announces-legal-challenge-to-transfer-system

so what would you do? Just pay the asking price to satisfy the fans knee-jerk need for instant gratification?

Or go after your targets with precision?And hope the system allows enough time for you to write off most of the costs before it collapses!

It would destroy the smaller clubs who rely on selling players to survive. The eu could change the law in regards to football and has already recognised that sport is different to other businesses.
Why can't Ronaldo play for england for example?
 

whitestreak

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It would destroy the smaller clubs who rely on selling players to survive. The eu could change the law in regards to football and has already recognised that sport is different to other businesses.
Why can't Ronaldo play for england for example?

I don't necessarily support the position of FIFPro, in fact I probably oppose it, but what I think is irrelevant!

I do believe they will succeed and the transfer apocalypse is highly likely, and whilst I am a fan I have run some large multinational businesses in my 'real Life' . Lewis and Levy, are professional, bright, hard working and extremely talented people and will have superb advisors.

They will be evaluating these risks all the time, and acting accordingly. It would be negligent for them not too!

My own belief is that as long as the TV money keeps rolling in at higher rates for the next 5 years spurs will be ok!
Because they have already built a sustainable model, within FFP as in all likely-hood will Man U and Arsenal.
I am not so sure how Chelsea and Man C would react if they had to take huge balance sheet hit and write down player values to nothing. Yes the owners could sustain the hit but would they and clubs like Liverpool be quite the same force?




http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135

http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-europe-mobileses-on-transfer-system-reform
 

Lilbaz

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I don't necessarily support the position of FIFPro, in fact I probably oppose it, but what I think is irrelevant!

I do believe they will succeed and the transfer apocalypse is highly likely, and whilst I am a fan I have run some large multinational businesses in my 'real Life' . Lewis and Levy, are professional, bright, hard working and extremely talented people and will have superb advisors.

They will be evaluating these risks all the time, and acting accordingly. It would be negligent for them not too!

My own belief is that as long as the TV money keeps rolling in at higher rates for the next 5 years spurs will be ok!
Because they have already built a sustainable model, within FFP as in all likely-hood will Man U and Arsenal.
I am not so sure how Chelsea and Man C would react if they had to take huge balance sheet hit and write down player values to nothing. Yes the owners could sustain the hit but would they and clubs like Liverpool be quite the same force?




http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25418135

http://www.fifpro.org/en/news/fifpro-europe-mobileses-on-transfer-system-reform

This has been ongoing since bosman though. It may well change but i'm not so sure. Hell we might not be in the eu in a couple of years.
 

whitestreak

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This has been ongoing since bosman though. It may well change but i'm not so sure. Hell we might not be in the eu in a couple of years.

Unfortunately, If the EU decide to crush this it wont matter where we are as every other club in europe will be signed up to it and we will still fall under EUFA and FIFA. and therfore be bound by it
These guys are tough well funded and have an agenda, Read the BBC link, the political climate post the FIFA fiasco has turned hard against the football establishment (FIFA & EUFA) EU LAW is really clear and I believe that it will end in tears!

But what you and I think does not really matter, what matters is what ENIC think and what actions they are taking.
I think they built the academy as part of a plan to protect their investment, so that when it does go tits, they have a contingency plan in place, and which involves getting some of the cream of young uk and euro talent
I think they appointed Pochettino (who has a reputation for bringing youth through) to enhance that.

And finally they will build the stadium, to further enhance the revenue streams, along with the NFL deal.

So to go all biblical on you Noah is building his ark.....if the rains come he will be ok, when they do!
Once the stadium is built paid for and the other income streams are pouring in it really wont matter as much
but right now my guess is that they see this as insurance!
 

Gbspurs

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Comparing buying players to buying house isn't the right comparison.

The football club is the house and spending money on players is like doing renovation work. If you leave your house for a number of years without investing it won't reach its true potential. By spending money on "improving" you generally increase the value of your asset.

Our house needs renovations to be done if it is to keep up with the competitive market place. By not fully investing in this logic we are running the risk of falling behind and our house becoming "unsellable".
 

Yid-ol

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Comparing buying players to buying house isn't the right comparison.

The football club is the house and spending money on players is like doing renovation work. If you leave your house for a number of years without investing it won't reach its true potential. By spending money on "improving" you generally increase the value of your asset.

Our house needs renovations to be done if it is to keep up with the competitive market place. By not fully investing in this logic we are running the risk of falling behind and our house becoming "unsellable".

But if you do renovation on your house with material or tools that don't fit the design or the correct tools, the house could fall down and the value would be not much at all. Or it could be done right but look shit and also lose value.

At times doing nothing is better than getting in players that won't work just because we needed someone. I still think the window could have been better, but we shouldn't pay over the odds or panic buy if we can't get who we want. We have enough in the team to cover every position.
 

Harry Barber

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OP,
You say ENIC have invested 100's of millions in the club. Do you have any specifics? And by that I mean their money, not the clubs money. You also say they plan to invest a further 400-500 million in the stadium. Is that along the same lines as what FSG are doing at Liverpool?
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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OP,
You say ENIC have invested 100's of millions in the club. Do you have any specifics? And by that I mean their money, not the clubs money. You also say they plan to invest a further 400-500 million in the stadium. Is that along the same lines as what FSG are doing at Liverpool?

Good point. I don't think i've ever seen a financial break down of how much Enic, aside from the take over, actually spent on the club. My guesses, being as financially prudent as they are, probably minimal. That's not a dig but he way as i'm a Levy fan.

But Harry, your profile picture makes me want to punch my computer screen! Its the smug look that does it, it's saying, ha ha ha, I'm taking your money…..!
 
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