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The Lost Generation

spursphil

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Just ten per cent of Premier League spectators are aged 24 or under. We have to ask whether the death of the football-going tradition among young people will mean a struggle to fill grounds in future.
In the 70s when I was a teenager the average age of a football fan was probably 19.

When football was invented by Rupert Murdoch in 1992 things changed dramatically. Here we are, footballers on seven-figure wages and English chairmen the exception to the rule of the modernised Premier League. Other well documented pitfalls include the increasing gap between club and supporter, the sanitisation of the match-day atmosphere and the decline of the working class fan. My generation may well be the last to appreciate fully the ups and downs of supporting a football club. The game needs to face up to its problem with the lack of English youth. And by that I don’t mean footballers, I mean fans.

A survey carried out by the Premier League last season revealed that the average age of a fan at a top-flight match is 45. And that’s the average. And that’s old. Where are the sticker-collecting, magazine-buying youngsters who crave the world their heroes inhabit? They’re probably at home, idolising Richard Keys and Andy Gray. Where are the alcohol-fuelled, rowdy adolescents? They’re watching the games in pubs, and for most that is the extent of there match going experience.

It takes a huge chunk of disposable income to follow a football club and prices are way beyond the reach of the younger fan. In the short term, atmospheres become less vibrant, with older fans, even if they still sing all game, generally more sceptical and pessimistic; stadiums largely void of the naive enthusiasm of youth. Youngsters local to smaller clubs develop little or no bonds with their hometown team and instead begin a phase of idolising Gerrards, Lampards or Rooneys, skipping a vital stage of the footballing rites of passage of supporting their local club.

In the long term, there is a much harder problem to solve than that of the working-class fan who can no longer afford it – their solution is simple: lower prices and they will return. Kids who have no discernible bond to the match-day experience by a certain age will not feel the need to come back even if prices eventually tumble, and that’s where the real problem lies.

The older members of the ­missing youth are resentful for being priced out of what they know they have a right to, and the younger ones know little of what it is to be an active supporter of a club that has a history beyond the Premier League, histories that were the foundation of football’s popularity and mass appeal.
 
 
Young fans now have no “glory days” to look back upon, no hazy memories of simpler times and the underlying passion this brings with it, the memories that make modern notions of football bearable for the older fan. They grow up either unable to afford a ticket or reliant on their embittered father to fork out yet another sizeable chunk of his salary to take them along.

All the time, what makes football football is gradually being eroded deep within them, as the game continues to whore itself out to business and celebrity, carelessly underestimating the importance of the younger fan who will soon become its main target audience. A generation ignored becomes a generation lost. Football is not just losing fans, it’s losing its future.
 
 
 



 
 
 
 

hellava_tough

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I'd love to go to the footie every week (even a Div 2 game) but it's so fucking expensive

That's about it really
 

TallBlokePH

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It is a nightmare on the cost front in general over here. My mrs pays somewhere in the region of £500-600 a year for a season ticket for a championship team - her folks live in Spain and get a season ticket for Malaga (who are in the top Spanish div) for just over half of that!
 

3Dnata

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When I first started earning I paid €1.50 to stand in the shelf and of course it was full of youngsters. The era of local predominantly working class youths going to football has well and truly passed, none of the London clubs has the support base it had up to the mid 80's and now it's a more TV rights based audience.
Incidentally I was going to go to Orient tonight but it was 20 quid a ticket (I think that's the price for the Park Lane v Leeds before booking office additions)and the last time a went there the football was so poor I was glad I didn't have to pay for it.
 

TheChosenOne

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It has to be the cost.

Mind you when I started going as a lad it was 1/6d to get in the schoolboys entrance (7.5p) which eventually became 2/6d after a few years (12.5p)

When Spurs played away I sometimes went to Leyton Orient and they charged 1/6 but included a programme with the entry fee.

The exit gates used to be opened just after half time in those days at most grounds so if I was really skint I snuck in to see the last half hour for free.
 

mattyspurs

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Jan 31, 2005
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Ticket prices cannot go down now unfortunatley.

Fans, managers and chairman all crave sucess. Success can mean a number of things, going into the premiership, staying in the premiership, winning trophies, getting into the top 4 for champions league entry, plus the holy grail of winning the premiership.

To acheive all of the above, clubs need to attract top players, top players command a top wage, where does that come from, ticket prices.

Unfortuantely it is a vicious cycle, one that will never be changed. So yes, for all of the fans who cannot afford tickets, there will always be ones waiting in the wings who can afford them. We fill WHL every week and we will fill the new stadium too.

But I do agree with you, it is not for the average fan anymore, because there are other priorities to spend your hard earned money on. But I do think, that if you really want it, you will find it from somewhere.
 

Phantom

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Quick get the stadium built before all the fans are too old or dead!
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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Yeh it is surely the cost. Here in Italy I can go up to Udinese and for a lot of games the ticket cost for the curva nord is 10 euros, even against Juve, Milan or Inter it is at most 15 euros. Of course they never fill the ground so they probably offer tickets on the cheap otherwise the stadium would be completely empty.
 

hellava_tough

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Yeh it is surely the cost. Here in Italy I can go up to Udinese and for a lot of games the ticket cost for the curva nord is 10 euros, even against Juve, Milan or Inter it is at most 15 euros. Of course they never fill the ground so they probably offer tickets on the cheap otherwise the stadium would be completely empty.

That's pretty interesting

How do the Italian clubs afford the top wages then? Is the average Italian player on very little compared to an average Premier League player, with only the Italian super-stars getting the top bucks?
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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That's pretty interesting

How do the Italian clubs afford the top wages then? Is the average Italian player on very little compared to an average Premier League player, with only the Italian super-stars getting the top bucks?

Well in the case of Udinese they don't pay top wages. They have one of the smallest budgets in the league. I think they operate by buying low and selling high. If you look at the profits they have made on some of their players it is impressive. Doesn't help them move forward, but means they can maintain Serie A status.

They have a 40,000 odd stadium that was built for Italia 90. They do have some very expensive tickets in some parts of the stadium (I think 250 euro) and those areas do seem to be reasonably well sold. They are still able to offer cheaper tickets at lower prices to try and encourage younger fans I guess.

Also they regularly have gigs etc. there. Madonna was there last year and AC/DC are playing in May amongst others.
 

Shanks

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May 11, 2005
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The price is the only reason why I don't go to watch games live.

The cost of tickets and the cost of travel, is around the £100 mark a game.
Then if I want to take my kids, soon it would be higher with two of them!!!

But when I was younger, I was playing football on a saturday, so never went anyway!
 

Phantom

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I havent been this season yet but will be going to see the fulham game next week. I was quite shocked at the price for a team like fulham, 40 quid seems quite steep to me. I try and go a few games a season at least but it is quite difficult.
 

C0YS

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I think young people are very interested in football, and do go to the games available, but just cant afford it. If you see the average age of a york city fan (where I live) I think you will find that they are younger. Young people, even if they do not support the club tend to watch lower levels of football because it is cheaper.

Youngsters local to smaller clubs develop little or no bonds with their hometown team and instead begin a phase of idolising Gerrards, Lampards or Rooneys, skipping a vital stage of the footballing rites of passage of supporting their local club.

that is rubbish, sure their are the glory seekers, but most people around my parts support one of four clubs Man utd, Leeds, Newcastle and liverpool. all from the north and two are local-ish. The issue is these fans do attend games but only one or two a season, that is all they can afford. Lost generation, what is this rubbish? Idolising who?
They also do support there local teams even if they support a prem/championship team as well. They do attend york matches...and they attend bigger games as well, just less frequently because of price. You overate the power of murdock and you underrate the power of football. And they certainly have a grasp of hiostory pre premiership. Sky isn't that powerfull. Maybe thats how its dressed to you
 

C0YS

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Yeh it is surely the cost. Here in Italy I can go up to Udinese and for a lot of games the ticket cost for the curva nord is 10 euros, even against Juve, Milan or Inter it is at most 15 euros. Of course they never fill the ground so they probably offer tickets on the cheap otherwise the stadium would be completely empty.

football in italy is a complete diffrent culture though. People around my parts love the game, they are obbsesive about the game but never watch them, they even prefer to watch the italian version of soccer saturday then the actual game. They watch the results, football being more used as a social tool to talk/argue..
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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football in italy is a complete diffrent culture though. People around my parts love the game, they are obbsesive about the game but never watch them, they even prefer to watch the italian version of soccer saturday then the actual game. They watch the results, football being more used as a social tool to talk/argue..

So true.
 

CosmicHotspur

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When I was going to the Lane as a schoolkid it was through the Boys' Entrance for pennies (pre-decimal) so getting the money from my parents was no problem. Not so today I should think.

When I decided I wanted to go through the main turnstyles, it still didn't cost that much.

I'm sure there are many youngsters who simply can't afford the price of tickets nowadays. I couldn't even afford it just a few years ago when I was working and still living in North London.
 

TallBlokePH

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The price is the only reason why I don't go to watch games live.

The cost of tickets and the cost of travel, is around the £100 mark a game.

Then if I want to take my kids, soon it would be higher with two of them!!!

But when I was younger, I was playing football on a saturday, so never went anyway!

Pretty much exactlt the same for me mate (even the rough cost!), try to get up a couple of times a season though, and always head up with a mate or the mrs coz then I can at least split the petrol bill - still a lot to shell out though and does really make it hard
 

class of 62

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just to put the price thing into perspective..
i started going to spurs on my own or with my mates in the early 70's something this world would not allow these days as well!!... i got 20p per week pocket money,something which my parents could easily afford
entrance to spurs via the schoolboys turnstyle on the shelf was 5p...15p was left for bus fayre,.. 2p each way from hoxton on the 149 or 243 bus leaving me 11p for all sorts of goodies

today if that same lad wanted to do the same & go to a normal league game his pocket money would have to be in the region of £50 per week to do exactly the same.. but he couldn't because he'd need his pocket money 6 weeks in advance at least to buy a ticket!!.
 

spursphil

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Aug 8, 2008
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just to put the price thing into perspective..
i started going to spurs on my own or with my mates in the early 70's something this world would not allow these days as well!!... i got 20p per week pocket money,something which my parents could easily afford
entrance to spurs via the schoolboys turnstyle on the shelf was 5p...15p was left for bus fayre,.. 2p each way from hoxton on the 149 or 243 bus leaving me 11p for all sorts of goodies

today if that same lad wanted to do the same & go to a normal league game his pocket money would have to be in the region of £50 per week to do exactly the same.. but he couldn't because he'd need his pocket money 6 weeks in advance at least to buy a ticket!!.

Bang on mate, you have hit he nail on the head, affordability. I remember getting 50p to go to the games, 15p to get in the shelf and 5p for the programme, two bus trips to get to the lane, 2p for a short trip and 3p for the maximium, which left me 10p for my pie and chips on the way home!
Ticket prices have gone up far beyond the rate of inflation, and im afraid its been years since youngsters were able to make the trips we were able to.
In my opinion the game has 10 years or less before our generation gets its full of being taken for a ride, once that happens there is not the generation behind that will be willing to to pay the vastly inflated prices to watch top flight footie.
 
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