The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Next seasons current list of inevitable departures & the realistic budget required to replace them with at a minimum with today's market rates:

Vorm - £10m
Vertonghen - £40m
Alderweireld - £40m
Dembele - £40m
Llorente - £20m

Tottenham are looking at forking out £150m on players that leave on a free or at a reduced cost next summer yet are doing fuck all to cover themselves with adequate signings this time around.

Realistic price of Eriksen who, as it stands will have 1 year left of his contract left this time next year who still hasn't had any deal announced - realistic fee we could probably ask for - £50m-£60m.

We will either have to splash out this summer or next replacing all the expiring contracts or rely on a scouting network that this summer hasn't found suitable stars. I honestly cannot see where we expect to balance the books. It makes for some painful reading for the next 9 days and probably for next summer as well.

If we don't buy some players this summer I don't care what anyone says, it's an absolute farce!

 

[sausage]

I don't think the price of the player is the issue for Poch - it's the quality of player that he wants.
He doesn't want to sign "just anyone" in order to placate things, he wants players that will challenge those within the squad and will improve on what we have. He wants to move us to the next level and clearly believes that can't be done with what we currently have.
The problem is those kind of players now come at a serious premium.

Would he walk in 12 months if we close this window with only one player he wants and we don't improve on that in January? I believe he would because he wants to be backed by the chairman and, right now with 9 days to go, he's probably not seeing that. He'll see out his first season in the new stadium and then see what can be offered elsewhere.

And go to what job??

No top club is buying the players "the manager wants" except for maybe Liverpool.

Mourinho is moaning about it, Conte was, I'm sure Emery and Sarri would be if they weren't in their first few weeks.

If anyone is in a mood, it should be at the market and nothing else

 

[tiger666]

Next seasons current list of inevitable departures & the realistic budget required to replace them with at a minimum with today's market rates:

Vorm - £10m
Vertonghen - £40m
Alderweireld - £40m
Dembele - £40m
Llorente - £20m

Tottenham are looking at forking out £150m on players that leave on a free or at a reduced cost next summer yet are doing fuck all to cover themselves with adequate signings this time around.

Realistic price of Eriksen who, as it stands will have 1 year left of his contract left this time next year who still hasn't had any deal announced - realistic fee we could probably ask for - £50m-£60m.

We will either have to splash out this summer or next replacing all the expiring contracts or rely on a scouting network that this summer hasn't found suitable stars. I honestly cannot see where we expect to balance the books. It makes for some painful reading for the next 9 days and probably for next summer as well.

If we don't buy some players this summer I don't care what anyone says, it's an absolute farce!

Do we really have to have all this in every thread?

 

[We need another Hoddle]

Part of the same quote isn't it?

"Last season I told you some numbers, but this season we don't know," he told reporters.

"I don't know if we are going to sign [anyone] or not. We're working on that. I cannot tell you if we're going to sign one, zero or two or three or four."

He added: "I think I am working and focused on trying to deliver my job, our job. I try to prepare the team. That's the focus and we're concentrating on that."

Yes it is. Between the lines, I would say he is not going to be happy if the window is a disaster. Levy, as per normal Levy, is trying to nick players for fees that the selling clubs are not interested in. I doubt he would be keen to pay exorbitant agents fees, which I get,but if you want to dance, you have to pay the band. If Poch gets tucked up and we end up without a strengthened squad, IMO, he will be gone this time next year

 

[SpartanSpur]

Next seasons current list of inevitable departures & the realistic budget required to replace them with at a minimum with today's market rates:

Vorm - £10m
Vertonghen - £40m
Alderweireld - £40m
Dembele - £40m
Llorente - £20m

Tottenham are looking at forking out £150m on players that leave on a free or at a reduced cost next summer yet are doing fuck all to cover themselves with adequate signings this time around.

Realistic price of Eriksen who, as it stands will have 1 year left of his contract left this time next year who still hasn't had any deal announced - realistic fee we could probably ask for - £50m-£60m.

We will either have to splash out this summer or next replacing all the expiring contracts or rely on a scouting network that this summer hasn't found suitable stars. I honestly cannot see where we expect to balance the books. It makes for some painful reading for the next 9 days and probably for next summer as well.

If we don't buy some players this summer I don't care what anyone says, it's an absolute farce!

- It's widely regarded that Vertonghen will sign a new deal this summer.
- Highly likely that Toby gets resolved either way and we get £25m in the worst case scenario anyway.
- Sounds like Gazzaniga becomes #2 when Vorm leaves. Probably just pick up a cheap HG #3 next summer.

We are clearly in the market for Llorente and Dembele replacements this window. I think the only one that hurts us is Dembele, seems he's staying and I think we were hoping on £15-20m for him which has a knock on effect.

Seems the club is on top of this IMO. (edit: in respect of the contracts running out above)

 

[WalkerboyUK]

And go to what job??

No top club is buying the players "the manager wants" except for maybe Liverpool.

Mourinho is moaning about it, Conte was, I'm sure Emery and Sarri would be if they weren't in their first few weeks.

If anyone is in a mood, it should be at the market and nothing else

Madrid, United?? Who knows what jobs will be available next summer.
Poch won't walk this summer, but we don't know what will happen next year.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Alderweireld - £40m

We already bought Foyth & Sanchez. Hell, even Dier could go back to CB longer term.
No major need to rush out and spunk £40 million to replace Toby.

 

[RichieS]

Madrid, United?? Who knows what jobs will be available next summer.
Poch won't walk this summer, but we don't know what will happen next year.

Funny that, because some people know for a fact that he'll be off.

 

[spursfan77]

Is this the root of the hysteria on here? From the Premier League website:

Chelsea have brought in Jorginho (should strengthen their first XI) and Rob Green (lol).
Manchester City have acquired Mahrez (good player but squad depth for them) and Claudio Gomes (youth player, free).
Manchester United have signed Dalot (who?), Fred (could strengthen their first XI) and Lee Grant (3rd choice 'keeper). Plus Mourinho is moaning like a bitch that none of his targets have been got as yet.

I think what people actually mean when they make statements like the bolded one in your post is "Liverpool have spent loads of money on several players and lots of my friends are Liverpool fans and they're taking the mickey out of me because it's their year". Two thoughts regarding this:
1) We of all fanbases should be aware that the "make lots of high profile signings" approach doesn't always work.
2) Why didn't Liverpool have to fight off competition for any of the players they've signed?

If we sign Zaha (which I believe we will) then Poch will have finally got a player he's wanted for ages (backing!) and our squad will be nicely rounded out. If Wanyama's injury is a recurrence of his previous one then we need a CM, especially given that Winks may also be some way off a return. That's it.

9.5 days, 2 signings, no problem. I, like Poch, am calm.

The post of posts

 

[We need another Hoddle]

Funny that, because some people know for a fact that he'll be off.

, Nobody knows if he will be off. However if you have an ambitious person, in any walk of life, and that person is given assurances that his employer will do certain things to ensure that person's ambitions are met and if those assurances are not forthcoming, there is every chance that ambitious person will walk away in the future.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

We already bought Foyth & Sanchez. Hell, even Dier could go back to CB longer term.
No major need to rush out and spunk £40 million to replace Toby.

So we've gone from talking about De Ligt, Tah & Pavard as possible Toby replacements this summer to 'don't worry we have Dier'?

Kind of epitomises where this window is going it seems. Just saying it how I see it

 

[WalkerboyUK]

So we've gone from talking about De Ligt, Tah & Pavard as possible Toby replacements this summer to 'don't worry we have Dier'?

Kind of epitomises where this window is going it seems. Just saying it how I see it

To be honest, I never saw any logic in spunking big money on any of those three, who are unproven in major leagues, when we are already readying players in that position. I suppose that depends on whether the plan was to go 3 at the back again, in which case brining one in makes a little bit more sense.

 

[Living Legend Colm G]

Last year I talked with one of the curators at the British Museum. He said that he would hate to work at the National Gallery because to buy anything worth hanging in the walls cost at least £10m whereas he was able to acquire good objects for the collection for very much less.

I guess we’re now in the position that to buy anybody worth putting in the team costs a huge amount.

This is an excellent analogy of our predicament.

 

[sausage]

Madrid, United?? Who knows what jobs will be available next summer.
Poch won't walk this summer, but we don't know what will happen next year.

Missed the point completely - if he goes to United, the same issue will occur. If Mourinho can't get the players he wants, it's no different to what we have here.

Real haven't yet "paid up" for Hazard, Mbappe, Neymar, Courtois....

This "not getting the players he/they want" is not a Spurs exclusive - it's the theme at nearly every CL club so far this summer.

 

[AJW]

https://www.football.london/tottenh...rnando-llorente-issues-update-future-14971448

Can’t find a player thread on Llorente but sounds like he will be definitely staying next season. Good option to have if he can stay fitter. Not many players would want to come in as second fiddle to Kane apart from a promising youngster (I thought we would have been linked with more 19/20 year old options). Would still be nice to have a wing forward who could provide a striker option as well.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Missed the point completely - if he goes to United, the same issue will occur. If Mourinho can't get the players he wants, it's no different to what we have here.

Real haven't yet "paid up" for Hazard, Mbappe, Neymar, Courtois....

This "not getting the players he/they want" is not a Spurs exclusive - it's the theme at nearly every CL club so far this summer.

The thing is though, we aren't going for the Hazards, Mbappes and Neymar of this world, we were after Grealish & Zaha it seems.

Not being able to secure those kind of players is a different ball game to not getting players like Mbappe over the line

 

[sausage]

The thing is though, we aren't going for the Hazards, Mbappes and Neymar of this world, we were after Grealish & Zaha it seems.

Not being able to secure those kind of players is a different ball game to not getting players like Mbappe over the line

So that breaks down into two parts:
1) it assumes these are players Poch wants
2) it completely disregards that they, like the others, are the stand-out best and vital players in their respective teams, whom their owners publicly stating aren't leaving.

Liverpool have signed players that their clubs wanted to sell - we're trying to sign players that the clubs don't want to sell.

If anything, Man Utd are worse because they won't buy Mourinho a player we, apparently, are happy to sell.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

So that breaks down into two parts:
1) it assumes these are players Poch wants
2) it completely disregards that they, like the others, are the stand-out best and vital players in their respective teams, whom their owners publicly stating aren't leaving.

Liverpool have signed players that their clubs wanted to sell - we're trying to sign players that the clubs don't want to sell.

If anything, Man Utd are worse because they won't buy Mourinho a player we, apparently, are happy to sell.

The ITK on here have clearly highlighted Grealish & Zaha as two of Pochettinos main targets alongside Martial it seems.

The Zaha one I get because we may have been waiting on a who blinks first approach with Man U over Toby etc but I'm sorry, missing out on Grealish because Levy was trying to do a bit of 'got you by the bollocks' in the boardroom I struggle to stomach when we are knocking on the door of the big time for god knows how many years.

We had a player that could prove adequate and genuine cover for Dembele & Eriksen, with a really high ceiling regarding his potential and someone who filled the HG issues we were having and Levy valued an extra £5m or so which is what it seems to be over the chance to supply his manager 3 potential solutions rolled into 1.

I struggle to think of another club globally as big or bigger than ours who continuously tries to pull a fast one when the need for the team is for the greater good than we do. He should have weighed up the risk/ reward and bit the bullet if Grealish was in fact one of our prime targets like he seems to have been.

Deals for Martial & Zaha I understand are far more complex and I do see why there has been prolonged movement but as I said, negotiating for a Hazard or an Mbappe is a different ball game to trying to wrap up a deal for a player who is homegrown, who's club didn't gain promotion and one who their manager was saying had to get sold barely a month ago. Levy saw dollar signs, chose to risk it for a showdown and it bit him in the arse

 

[yido4life]

Personally I am going to wait until the window is closed to make any sort of judgement.

It would be nice to make a statement before going into the new stadium though and making teams really fear coming.

My take on the Grealish situation is that we are always told by the club that we will only sign players if they will improve us. Yet information points to the fact that Grealish was going to happen if we could get him cheap. This doesn’t make sense to me. Either he was the right player to improve us or he wasn’t? I don’t get the situation and it doesn’t tie in with what we are told. Regardless of my personal opinion of him

 

[Dougal]

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