The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Deleted member 27995]

He has never once acted like this in how many years now? But now its all just a big fucking coincidence to you?

He's pissy pre match, during match and now I'm sure post match but thats of course to be expected after that shit the players just took on the pitch.

Perhaps he can get ballbag to 'ghost write' a new updated section of his book to let us all know how he is truly feeling. I look forward to it.

 

[Garbob]

Nothing poch could have done tonight, it was all the players on the pitch that fucked up

 

[thfc1973]

Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

 

[jurgen]

Conte would never work with Levy.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Conte would never work with Levy.

Levy wouldn't pay him ...

This is how it works, right?

 

[dtxspurs]

Levy wouldn't pay him ...

This is how it works, right?

I mean Conte got fed up with freakin Juventus & Chelseas transfer policies so can't imagine he would sign up for Baldys.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I mean Conte got fed up with freakin Juventus & Chelseas transfer policies so can't imagine he would sign up for Baldys.

& Levy wouldn't pay him ....

We'll be lucky to get Tony Pulis ...

 

[Gb160]

Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

Sorry to be blunt but this is such a load of bollocks I don't know where to begin.

• How can stupid individual mistakes be down to Poch?
• How can we not be able to grind out a win when we did it 4 days ago?
• If Poch is, and I quote, 'shit', how has he managed us to our best ever start to a premier league season?

You're just lashing out because you're upset....I get that.
I look forward to your answers.

 

[heelspurs]

Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

I agree with a lot of what you have said, however, in Poch's defense, and unlike the other coaches you ahve listed, he doesn't have the financial luxury of repeatedly playing the 'my way or the highway' card. If we could get in more/better players to upgrade the squad and provide competition then he could be more challenging. Those other managers have players on top salaries/top teams where there is no 'up'. Poch has to keep the players sweet to some degree.

 

[mpickard2087]

Nothing poch could have done tonight, it was all the players on the pitch that fucked up

How about what we're doing when it comes to defending set pieces?

 

[Gb160]

I agree with a lot of what you have said, however, in Poch's defense, and unlike the other coaches you ahve listed, he doesn't have the financial luxury of repeatedly playing the 'my way or the highway' card. If we could get in more/better players to upgrade the squad and provide competition then he could be more challenging. Those other managers have players on top salaries/top teams where there is no 'up'. Poch has to keep the players sweet to some degree.

Can you imagine Conte working with Levy?...stupid suggestion really.
With the restrictions Poch's under, Id love to see how Pep, Klopp and Conte would cope.

 

[dtxspurs]

How about what we're doing when it comes to defending set pieces?

I doubt Poch told Kane, Toby & Davinson to all just go stand by each other in a huddle after the initial header.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

This one isn't totally on Poch?

Julen Lopetegui is going to be available soon ... Maybe he can bring Isco with him ....

 

[mpickard2087]

I doubt Poch told Kane, Toby & Davinson to all just go stand by each other in a huddle after the initial header.

That's all part of being organised though and being well drilled. The marking for the initial ball in, not switching off for the second (and third) balls, etc. Set pieces have been a bit of a weakness throughout the Poch era (and considering a lot of the time we've had 6ft+ units across the park playing). We're currently seeing a lot of people in the vicinity but doing nothing, lack of marking, lack of challenging for the ball, switching off for the second ball, and in the match thread I've put up a damning example of not marshalling obvious areas at the edge of the box, that PSV did defend a carbon copy properly minutes later, and that we've been punished like that before.

Whatever is happening, I don't see a great deal of evidence of preparation going in to dealing with them. And whatever we are doing, doesn't seem to be working, and hasn't for some time now.

 

[Garbob]

How about what we're doing when it comes to defending set pieces?

Yea fair enough

 

[HW61]

Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

Really don’t mean any offense whatsoever. But wow. If you really think that of Poch you haven’t experienced much of the many years of crap us Spurs fans have had to endure.

He’s had to face a summer of zero investment, zero support from the board. He would have prepared for a season where he didn’t have most of the squad let alone the first team for pre season. He was promised that we’d be home from the Liverpool game and we still wait. Last season he drilled the players that Wembley was our home. How can he do that for this season when no one has any idea. Even there Levy has hung him out to dry.

He will feel completely let down on every front. We’re all human. The players have merely fed off of that.

 

[fortworthspur]

people wont want to hear it but we've been without some of our best players for large chunks of the 1st quarter of the season - Wanyama, Eriksen, Dele and now Verts. Eriksen's just back and no Dele is a huge hole in team, as much as some here like to slate him.

 

[heelspurs]

Can you imagine Conte working with Levy?...stupid suggestion really.
With the restrictions Poch's under, Id love to see how Poch, Klopp and Conte would cope.

tldr - being under financial restriction does not preclude you from fixing your own weaknesses.

No, I cannot. In many ways, and you can look to my avatar to support this, he is the perfect manager for us and I love him. But he is not beyond criticism and his weak points should be noted. The particularly galling point is that he, like some of our players, does not seem to be addressing his weaknesses. Again, this is not a new criticism I level on him. I said this in his second year as I did not see a tactical progression in is work. In his third year I was happy how we approached the early CL games until I realized it was A) Not his intent to be reactive in games as per his words and B) a mirage only to be thrown away at his earliest convenience.

I am not a big money transfer kinda guy. And I don't believe Poch's overall gameplan relies on such. But what you do need is capable and competent players everywhere. If Poch wanted De Ligt then I say fair play to DL for not getting him as there are better/more suited players for Spurs that have transferred for less. Same with Sanchez. Why did we go all out for him when we could have spent half the amount for a more suited player to play out the back. People talking about De Jong. Well there are better/more suited players for half as much. People wanted a name in SMS (who, relative to his profile, is a shit player by the way) but there are better/more suited players for less.

If DL doesn't want to pay outrageously inflated prices, thereby increasing the financial risk, then I am behind him and wouldn't want a coach that depended on these types of transfers. There is NO defense for not upgrading players that are not up to it or have obvious deficiencies irrespective of the 1 or 2 qualities they might bring like Tripps, Davies, Dier, and the bench dross.

I look at the work BVB did in the TW and now look at how they have improved without big money transfers...just fucking smarts in the boardroom and a flexible coach. And we annihilated them last year...and they sold their 'best' player last year.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Poch - as great a manager he is, is still so so poor compared to Pep and Klopp. Game plan should change the moment we go ahead in the CL when we need to grind a result out. And for 1 reason or another we are totally incapable of doing that.
Blame Levy for not getting players, but blame Poch for not having good in-game tactics and a plan.
I am still going to say I would so love to have a manager like Conte in charge. So much more thought process with Conte, so much more passion. (Poch has lost it). So much more planning and preparation with Conte I feel.
I read an article today where Poch was asked if you had learnt lessons of Inter game and if he had spoken to them about the lessons and he said NO. It happens in football.
Sums it all up for me with Poch. He's like a goldfish now. He makes the same mistakes, gets upset. then repeats the next time again.
He is incapable of learning, he is incapable of planning and changing tactics based on current play and flow of game and he is incapable of screaming the mistakes to the players to ensure they don't make the same mistakes again and again.

I feel that he is a great manager to bring a team up.. but when that team reaches a certain level (like ours) he's shit. He has no idea how to get them up to the next level. He thinks the same routine will work. he thinks being pally pally and mates with his arm around them still works and that top players don't need reminding, coaching and screaming at. WRONG!!!
Pep still teaches top players, still corrects top players, Pepe still screams at his players and still reminds top players every single game. I'm fairly certain Klopp does it too, maybe not to the extent Pep does but he does do it. Whereas Poch seems to have lack that. And I don't think its something he will ever attain like elite managers.

I really really really want to strongly disagree with all of that but I agree with a hell of a lot of it

There is a reason Poch has never won anything

I really hope that he can learn from his mistakes and in so doing pass that on to his players who keep making the same mistakes

Unfortunately though, the clock is ticking for all of us!

Such a shame that this fantastic group of players is in danger of winning absolutely nothing

Really really really hope I’m wrong and we can at least win something!

 

[JCRD]

Why do you think we have changed the way we played previously and by previously I mean the season before we went to Wembley? Has Poch basically tried to manage the team from not burning out? I dont get it. We used to play with much more impetus, pace, verve, enthusiasm, energy and just a bit more perhaps direct. We would kill teams off 3 or 4.

Now it just seems overkill on the tippy tappy and at times it can be pedestrian.

It does feel like things are stale at the moment and I can see why some think 'its the end of an era' - a tad melodramatic but we arent really progressing now on the pitch.