The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Gassin's finest]

You know that Manchester does have an airport right?!?!

For me, the big telling point is that United are looking to appoint a Director of Football, more specifically Paul Mitchell.
Poch does not like the DoF structure and had a falling out with Mitchell...

Yeah but that's an extra 45 mins on your flight and the airport is the opposite side of Manchester...

 

[gilzeantheking]

Here is the pre Everton Presser

 

[easley91]

If they continue to mention United and the same question just ban them from press conferences and the new ground. No point repeating the same answer over and over again.

 

[Indisguise]

Selling our best players won't make us progress. I'd bet Pochettino would rather see Eriksen signing a new deal than the scenario you describe.

I wasn't actually thinking about it like that but I can see why you thought I was. I was actually thinking about it more from Levy's point of view. FFP rules require a club to balance its books so selling Eriksen for £150m would mean Levy would probably open the purse. It's much more difficult to know what Poch would think. On the one hand, he wouldn't want to lose Eriksen but may well be quite philosophical about Eriksen going to Madrid or Barcelona; on the other hand there would be money to spend but if he keeps losing players and momentum, he might well just end up thinking, fuck it, I may never get another chance at managing the biggest club in the world.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Honestly mate I'm not a professional accountant and nor do I work for UEFA so all the nitty gritty specifics I'll gladly admit I don't know. My understanding on basic terms of the FFP regulations is that you can't make a loss of more than a minimal amount, I believe 5m euro or something, and that this loss/profit calculation is deliberately designed so that cash injections from some rich owner do not count towards the income i.e. the income has to be generated in some way by the club itself, whether that be through sponsor deals, player sales, matchday income, TV money etc. etc. Clearly this system isn't foolproof, as City and PSG's expensive accountants and lawyers have found clever ways to circumnavigate this. But in principle, it's specifically designed to stop rich owners just being able to bankroll clubs by throwing money at them artificially.

In light of this, and I could well be wrong, surely something as blatant as Lewis essentially buying shares off himself for an inflated fee so that he could pretend the money wasn't him just injecting cash must be covered by the regulations, given that it's exactly the kind of "Here have some more money" system that it was brought in to stop.

Anyway, my original point wasn't to get into the specifics of all this, I was just pointing out that I don't think Lewis can simply "back Poch" by writing him a blank cheque. Any money he wanted to pump into the club would have to, in some way, be worked so that it didn't count as just a cash injection from the owner, whether that be offsetting it against stadium costs or whatever. Like I say, I don't know. But it definitely isn't a case of Lewis just "putting his money where his mouth is" or whatever. It's not that simple. THat was my point originally.

My understanding of FFP is that any investment for Capital projects - Stadium, Training ground etc - can be bankrolled by the owners, but their revenues go towards FFP.

So in theory the c£500m cost of the Stadium build can be funded by a rights issue if we so wish - and all the Match day revenue and..kerching..naming rights go towards transfers and wages.

We can also pay off any money the club has spent retrospectively on projects - ie money the club invested that was "organically" generated through revenues, and put it back into the team. We spent £100m on land and fees in the 10 years before the build for instance, though I'm unsure if FFP allows us to reinvest all of that, or just what was spent in this 3 years cycle.

I'm not advocating we do anything crazy, but we're far more financially powerful than the media has understood.

A narrative which seems to favour us in negotiations, so unsurprisingly we're not seeing the club contest it, but I'm sure Poch is well aware.

We may never catch United, but we'll be in amounst Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal. City too if UEFA show some teeth with their fraudulent Commercial deals, and shady off shore agent and player payments.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Win with humilty, lose with dignity.

Words to live by.

 

[haslemereyid]

Honestly mate I'm not a professional accountant and nor do I work for UEFA so all the nitty gritty specifics I'll gladly admit I don't know. My understanding on basic terms of the FFP regulations is that you can't make a loss of more than a minimal amount, I believe 5m euro or something, and that this loss/profit calculation is deliberately designed so that cash injections from some rich owner do not count towards the income i.e. the income has to be generated in some way by the club itself, whether that be through sponsor deals, player sales, matchday income, TV money etc. etc. Clearly this system isn't foolproof, as City and PSG's expensive accountants and lawyers have found clever ways to circumnavigate this. But in principle, it's specifically designed to stop rich owners just being able to bankroll clubs by throwing money at them artificially.

In light of this, and I could well be wrong, surely something as blatant as Lewis essentially buying shares off himself for an inflated fee so that he could pretend the money wasn't him just injecting cash must be covered by the regulations, given that it's exactly the kind of "Here have some more money" system that it was brought in to stop.

Anyway, my original point wasn't to get into the specifics of all this, I was just pointing out that I don't think Lewis can simply "back Poch" by writing him a blank cheque. Any money he wanted to pump into the club would have to, in some way, be worked so that it didn't count as just a cash injection from the owner, whether that be offsetting it against stadium costs or whatever. Like I say, I don't know. But it definitely isn't a case of Lewis just "putting his money where his mouth is" or whatever. It's not that simple. THat was my point originally.

Similar dynamics albeit completely different situation at QPR where rich owners are desperate to pump money into the club but can’t because of the above described

 

[HobbitSpur]

No one says no to Manchester United.

If that was the case why would they not go for guardiola? Has proven he can get results with semi established teams and probably has more sway in the transfer market.

 

[danielneeds]

Ba

If they continue to mention United and the same question just ban them from press conferences and the new ground. No point repeating the same answer over and over again.

Banning journalists from news conferences is not a good look for any organsation. Just say no questions will be answered and they will get bored of it eventually.

 

[SugarRay]

The point is that Poch has built that team not Jose. If Jose came in 4 years ago with the players and conditions that Poch had to start with then it's highly likely he wouldn't have succeeded and most probably would have been sacked by now.

Whether Jose works better with hard working teams is irrelevant, recent history suggests that he makes teams and players worse.

Thing is I don’t think Jose would have come to us four years ago. We are at a point now ( and for the last two seasons ) where he would consider us.

He recently won the league with Chelsea. He lost the dressing room again but that same side went and won it again under Conte.

He works better with unproven players. His first Chelsea side were perfect for him. Terry, Lampard, Drogba, Duff, Robben, even Joe Cole. All were on the way up and he instilled in them the final qualities they needed to make the next two steps.
We are in a similar position player wise.

 

[jacko73]

I never said we were, but if Joe Lewis suddenly writes us a cheque for hundreds of millions to overhaul the squad then we would be.

I think this is wrong. We are allowed to have cash injected as a lot of the CLUBS money has paid for infrastructure (i can not say for sure how much as we only see snapshots of accounts and we do not even know when this snapshot was from). But FFP does allow for infrastructure payments from outside the club. I could only speculate on how much, but I could say with certainty that 150 million has been spent from the clubs money and the board could replace this money from outside the club, so we could easily use 150 million and I am sure that I read as at the last accounts we already had 200 million in cash. Also, I would add no transfer is ever paid all up front so that could be leveraged up through staged payments.

So never let it be said that we lost Pochettino because of FFP, Tottenham's board have a big decision ahead. But they hold a lot of cards and they can get a) a stadium sponsor b) put their money in c) sell some shares and get outside investment to raise funds and give this to Pochettino to spend on transfers. They may not have planned for this situation, but UTD might be doing us (fans) and Poch a massive favour by adding pressure to our board.

 

[dude573]

It isn't something we would normally praise, but kudos to our press officer, he shuts Dharmesh Sheth down completely.

Not an easy thing to do in a press conference but he handled it incredibly well.

 

[roslau]

I suggest Poch should join Man Utd now. Make them lose every match and relegate, then come back in the next summer and redirect us. Sick of listening to united shit everyday

 

[dtxspurs]

I suggest Poch should join Man Utd now. Make them lose every match and relegate, then come back in the next summer and redirect us. Sick of listening to united shit everyday

And sell us Pogba & Luke Shaw during that time as well for cheap!

 

[Johno1470]

Ask yourselves this... Why would any top manager go to Yanited right now, if not just for the bunce? It's a poison club right now, buckling under the weight of its collective ego and obsession with profit margins. And for a man like Poche who believes in collective spirit, integrity, and being able to get a cheap Ryanair flight to Barcelona within an hour and a half, it simply doesn't make sense.

I don't think any manager currently in a top job would consider that position any kind of step up. It'll go to one of the unemployed names.

That or Olly will do an amazing job and get the gig. Who knows.

I think it’s niave to question why any top manager wouldn’t want the United job. They’re one of if not the biggest club in the world.

They have some outstanding players. Pogba, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, De Gea etc.

Any manager going there has some top players to work with and plenty of options all over the pitch. Aside from their defence, they’re a strong team. Not to forget, if they want anyone they will have a war chest to work with.

Whoever goes there will be paid a mountain of money, most likely the highest in Europe.

Along with the reputation that United carry, there is a massive appeal for any manager to come in, steady the ship and bring United back to where they were.

If United came calling to the majority of managers in europe, the only two who would sure as hell say no before they even ask is Pep and Klopp.

Most would listen to what United have to offer. Whether they take it is another thing but I think plenty of managers would deem the United job as a “step up”.

For the record, I don’t think Poch will go either.

 

[mil1lion]

I know he just signed a new contract in the summer but getting him and his team on a bumper new contract would send the message to the players, prospective players, other clubs, fans. The lot.

If we offered him a new contract every time one of the top clubs comes calling we would increase his wages every 6 months.

 

[roslau]

And sell us Pogba & Luke Shaw during that time as well for cheap!

Yes, Get paid off the new stadium and our CM, LB and Toby’s problem all sorted

 

[mil1lion]

Because when they need something, they go and they get it.
When we need something, we fuck around for 2 months then don't get it.

I guess you missed the whole summer where they missed out on the centre backs they wanted

 

[dtxspurs]

I guess you missed the whole summer where they missed out on the centre backs they wanted

To be fair they did originally get 2 Mourinho wanted, he just fucked around with them and then wanted 2 more.

 

[McArchibald]

Honestly mate I'm not a professional accountant and nor do I work for UEFA so all the nitty gritty specifics I'll gladly admit I don't know. My understanding on basic terms of the FFP regulations is that you can't make a loss of more than a minimal amount, I believe 5m euro or something, and that this loss/profit calculation is deliberately designed so that cash injections from some rich owner do not count towards the income i.e. the income has to be generated in some way by the club itself, whether that be through sponsor deals, player sales, matchday income, TV money etc. etc. Clearly this system isn't foolproof, as City and PSG's expensive accountants and lawyers have found clever ways to circumnavigate this. But in principle, it's specifically designed to stop rich owners just being able to bankroll clubs by throwing money at them artificially.

In light of this, and I could well be wrong, surely something as blatant as Lewis essentially buying shares off himself for an inflated fee so that he could pretend the money wasn't him just injecting cash must be covered by the regulations, given that it's exactly the kind of "Here have some more money" system that it was brought in to stop.

Anyway, my original point wasn't to get into the specifics of all this, I was just pointing out that I don't think Lewis can simply "back Poch" by writing him a blank cheque. Any money he wanted to pump into the club would have to, in some way, be worked so that it didn't count as just a cash injection from the owner, whether that be offsetting it against stadium costs or whatever. Like I say, I don't know. But it definitely isn't a case of Lewis just "putting his money where his mouth is" or whatever. It's not that simple. THat was my point originally.

Fair enough - I'm not an authority on this subject either. I would have thought a share issue would be allowed given the value growth of the clubs assets, but I haven't sifted through the fine print of the regulations. Hence the question