The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[rossdapep]

Poch needs financial help , its so clear to see. He's done his bit , the board need to back him. Players have to move on and the squad freshen up.


Were now forced to look over our shoulder with that defect to Chelsea

I'm currently reading A Brave New World and it's clear to me that Poch is nearly as much to blame as Levy for lack of investment. He repeatedly states (and has in the press too) he won't buy if he feels he can't improve the squad and that Levy does offer him options. If Levy is offering cheap average alternatives then Poch has every right to reject them but considering some of the players we have been linked to, only for it to not happen, does make me wonder if it's actually Poch who is rejecting them rather than Levy.

One thing is for sure, it needs addressing massively!

 

[ebzrascal]

What a ridiculous post.

I really don't care if you think that. In my view the players especially will be crushed by the experience of missing top 4 and will need a new voice to pick them up. We have made progress under Poch no doubt about it, but there comes a time when the same voice and ideas do not get through anymore. Poch has a tight team around him who he will not freshen up. This is not like Fergie who changed his no.2 on a regular basis to inject new ideas. We have played more or less the same way for 5 years and I don't really see us evolving. Despite the increase in points I would say we play worse football than we did two years ago.

 

[shelfboy68]

I'm currently reading A Brave New World and it's clear to me that Poch is nearly as much to blame as Levy for lack of investment. He repeatedly states (and has in the press too) he won't buy if he feels he can't improve the squad and that Levy does offer him options. If Levy is offering cheap average alternatives then Poch has every right to reject them but considering some of the players we have been linked to, only for it to not happen, does make me wonder if it's actually Poch who is rejecting them rather than Levy.

One thing is for sure, it needs addressing massively!

If he is being offered cheap alternatives then he has a choice of whether to accept and work within those parameters which won't win him fuck all or leave to join a club that will support him.
Whatever happens this summer is going to throw up some serious questions in the way the club decides to operate, but I still expect not much will change and the usual last minute scramble for a player or two will still exist

 

[double0]

I'm currently reading A Brave New World and it's clear to me that Poch is nearly as much to blame as Levy for lack of investment. He repeatedly states (and has in the press too) he won't buy if he feels he can't improve the squad and that Levy does offer him options. If Levy is offering cheap average alternatives then Poch has every right to reject them but considering some of the players we have been linked to, only for it to not happen, does make me wonder if it's actually Poch who is rejecting them rather than Levy.

One thing is for sure, it needs addressing massively!

How can you blame Poch for not buy second rate.. look at Fulham, buying doesn't alway guarantee success. The level of sending Poch require is major, he needs starting 11 additions and that's gonna cost 45M up wards per player if were lucky otherwise we end up falling short once again.

Example which I've used before we were hot for Rabiot but he's stalling for Barcelona therefore me have to wait at market value his a 40-50 Million range... It is a double edge blade were dealing with and I'm trying not to let the last two games cloud my view (Burnley and Chelsea) but it is obvious now Levy needs to give poch about 200 M with players sales to freshen up the squad

 

[stevenurse]

If we miss out on 4th after having a 10 point lead, I dont think we're gonna need to worry about anyone poaching him this summer

 

[kriss]

Poch has been saying for a while it will take time to build a title winning side. He has the patience but clearly some of our fans dont. He has not taken the club as far as he can. They're still growing as a group. We do need to move back into Tottenham and get back that home form though. This 2 seasons at Wembley have sort of felt a bit like a transition period. If we finish top 4 again and coming back home we'll still very much be on track.

What we're doing here takes a lot of time to build. We have come a long way building the facilities and the academy. Sure we could dip into the window and spend multi millions and buy success. That really isn't what Poch is about though. He loves to build a legacy from the ground up. I honestly believe that it is likely to be 10 years to really build that winning mentality. We're only about half way into that with Poch.

The trouble is once you're as close to the top as we are it only raises the expection. I think people look at what Wenger achieved at Arsenal early in his career and expect Poch to do the same. The difference is that Wenger took over from a team of title winners. They already had a core of winners to build around. Poch never had that with us. He's managing a club that has gone decades barely winning anything and never challenged for a premier league title.

I still believe in this project. With the new stadium now so close we're ready to push on again. Close this season out on more points than last season and go further in the Champions League. That will be another progressive season for us.

Great post, POCH has worked wonders,No transfers in,in 2 windows, not played at home for 2 years, injuries We would be mid-table without him, Has it is we have one foot in the quarter finals of champions league still on course for top 4, We cannot at any timeafford to lose POCH

 

[mpickard2087]

If he's just going to stand gormlessly on the touchline and have no ideas how to change things rather than just like for like and a clueless and failing plan A, then it doesn't matter how many extra options are given to him/sat on the bench. I'm not saying he never makes changes for the better, but this is happening far too much where games just drift along with bizarrely little attempt to address what is happening in match.

Yes on the balance of his work with us in the last few years, he might deserve a little more help. But he's got to look at what he's doing at times and address certain things and do a bit more himself.

 

[shelfboy68]

How can you blame Poch for not buy second rate.. look at Fulham, buying doesn't alway guarantee success. The level of sending Poch require is major, he needs starting 11 additions and that's gonna cost 45M up wards per player if were lucky otherwise we end up falling short once again.

Example which I've used before we were hot for Rabiot but he's stalling for Barcelona therefore me have to wait at market value his a 40-50 Million range... It is a double edge blade were dealing with and I'm trying not to let the last two games cloud my view (Burnley and Chelsea) but it is obvious now Levy needs to give poch about 200 M with players sales to freshen up the squad

He won't get that amount probably lucky to get half

 

[easley91]

No one person is to blame RE no signings. Levy won't stump up the cash willy nilly with stadium delays ongoing. Poch won't just say yes to any old player, they have to fit with the ethos of the squad and have the ability on the pitch too. The players in question may want to sign elsewhere, or are offered more, agent fees etc.

 

[Kiedis]

We have played more or less the same way for 5 years and I don't really see us evolving. Despite the increase in points I would say we play worse football than we did two years ago.

You really don't see the team as having evolved and changed tactically during the last five years? Or is this where "more or less" comes in?

 

[double0]

If he's just going to stand gormlessly on the touchline and have no ideas how to change things rather than just like for like and a clueless and failing plan A, then it doesn't matter how many extra options are given to him/sat on the bench. I'm not saying he never makes changes for the better, but this is happening far too much where games just drift along with bizarrely little attempt to address what is happening in match.

Yes on the balance of his work with us in the last few years, he might deserve a little more help. But he's got to look at what he's doing at times and address certain things and do a bit more himself.

Poch is one of the most diverse tactician in football we play a number of formations. I really don't understand were your coming from we played a diamond to start with then changed formation once Llorente was introduced... You look at other teams ie Barcelona Man City Liverpool its a straight 433 that's it. The problem we have is depth / quality the league doesn't really lie Liverpool ( questionable) and Man City have better squads .

It was an individual goal that beat us and a Trippier error. I would say though it wasn't good we failed to have a shot on target

 

[mpickard2087]

Poch is one of the most diverse tactician in football we play a number of formations. I really don't understand were your coming from we played a diamond to start with then changed formation once Llorente was introduced... You look at other teams ie Barcelona Man City Liverpool its a straight 433 that's it. The problem we have is depth / quality the league doesn't really lie Liverpool ( questionable) and Man City have better squads .

It was an individual goal that beat us and a Trippier error. I would say though it wasn't good we failed to have a shot on target

Don't agree, he changes things on a superficial level but there is often a lack of joined up thinking to what he does.

Second half last night we have everyone ultra narrow in midfield/attack, fullbacks not able to get forward and hold the width, and so just had a constant struggle to progress through the centre of the park.

As I've said in other threads, why didn't he try and open up the space and bring any of Lamela/Son/Moura/Rose wider? My fist nearly went through the screen when Moura came on and just went straight to stand in the centre circle.

If you're going to bring on Llorente, as we see so often in games, why doesn't the team adapt to this and play accordingly? Instead we just keep, largely, playing the same way. There are countless times when he is playing that FL makes his way to the back post and wants the ball stood up, only for the crosser to still whip the ball in to the near post to our usual gameplan. Is it not on the manager to have them drilled on different scenarios for different players and being able to recognise and adapt?

Without the ball we are often now getting caught in wider areas and by teams switching the play and exposing us. What is the problem sometimes with going with organising ourselves into two banks of four and being difficult to break down? Especially when we barely press teams this season.

And that's just for starters.

 

[buckley]

My opinion is that against the top six sides we need the full monty and with Deli ; Vertonghenier.we may have seen a different result I believe that injury's have been unkind to us as the wrong players injured at the wrong time And at one stage just too many injured.
Just hope Poch can work his magic and we can stay in the top four.COYS

 

[double0]

I'm trying to understand... yes everyone in position in under scrutiny and we have the right to question but I feel overall we are punching above our weight. Poch has generally improved players however it's evidently apparent now that some players have reached their complete limit and for us to move up to the next notch we need to invest. Tactically Poch may need to improve in game decision but IMO he's working with one hand tied behind his back

 

[John48]

Not sure I agree, because whilst started by taking us on for the 1st mins they reverted to the formation they used against MCity & we didn't have the nous to deal with it. Their goals came from mistakes, with most of our players pushed on & Toby left in a 1 on 1 situation which he didn't deal with & the 2nd came from a mistake in a situation that was more situated to a Sun league game.

Poch relies on the players working out on the pitch & currently with Eriksen not even turning up there's virtually no creativity our there. Too often players got the ball in the attacking 3rd & turned back inside where Chelski had amassed most of their team. Our game relies on FB's pushed on, but we didn't get the ball out them quick enough & when we did they ball they put in lacked quality!

Rather than formation I would suggest our problems come from being too slow & pedestrian in possession, plus a general lack of creativity up front.

 

[Primativ]

You can see how far behind we are to the likes of City though. Chelsea played the same way against them but City didn't make any mistakes. We just can't get through 90 minutes without at least one blunder, especially with Trippier in the side.

Fact is though Lloris makes them too. We should have conceded when he kicked it straight to a Chelsea player first half. How the hell can your captain do that so often? It's embarrassing.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Bar the injuries the mistakes in games has been the most frustrating aspect of Spurs this year when it comes to a large % of those we have gone on to lose.

Poch is right when it comes to the mental side of the game, and it isn't just when the chips are down, we create our own problems on the pitch far too often.

 

[rossdapep]

How can you blame Poch for not buy second rate.. look at Fulham, buying doesn't alway guarantee success. The level of sending Poch require is major, he needs starting 11 additions and that's gonna cost 45M up wards per player if were lucky otherwise we end up falling short once again.

Example which I've used before we were hot for Rabiot but he's stalling for Barcelona therefore me have to wait at market value his a 40-50 Million range... It is a double edge blade were dealing with and I'm trying not to let the last two games cloud my view (Burnley and Chelsea) but it is obvious now Levy needs to give poch about 200 M with players sales to freshen up the squad

But we can't say for sure whether or not Levy is throwing up second rate options. People on here were clamouring for Tielemans but it appears that Poch (based on his comments at the time) wasn't interested in bringing him in rather than the other way round. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, Poch has his serious targets but they are either not interested (De Jong) or unattainable due to price (NDombele), the step down from that would be players who we can afford and who are highly rated and for whatever reason we aren't doing them. I refuse to believe that Levy is just offering N'Jies and N'koudous to Poch, because that would certainly have Poch questioning what the hell he's doing here.

I admire Poch's stance on recruitment, you shouldn't buy just because you have 50m or whatever to spend, but at the same time I am concerned he's taking it too far. There is some seriously good and attainable players out there, yet we keep passing on them. I'll be extremely concerned if we reach late July and haven't secured or look like securing targets.

A number of our players do seem to have reached the end of the road, which has probably inspired Poch's '10-year' comments as he knows we are nearing a refresh and that takes time to apply and adapt to.

 

[rossdapep]

Bar the injuries the mistakes in games has been the most frustrating aspect of Spurs this year when it comes to a large % of those we have gone on to lose.

Poch is right when it comes to the mental side of the game, and it isn't just when the chips are down, we create our own problems on the pitch far too often.

I hope he has identified those who don't have the winning mentality and has an idea of who can replace them.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I hope he has identified those who don't have the winning mentality and has an idea of who can replace them.

There is a tough summer incoming, ignoring the obvious hurdle of actually looking to bring players in, he'll have to look to ship them out as well. How many players are we carrying that he doesn't seem to fancy, let alone the ones who keep having blips in form?