glacierSpurs
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Just to add to your suspicion, Poch can actually leave for Qatar for his speaking engagement instead of being needed at the stadium for such a significant event? ?
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doctor stefan Freud
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What event? What have I missed?
JayB
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First NFL game at the stadium kicks off in a half hour
Poch doesnt need to be at the stadium but the club should be promoting it or at the very least acknowledge it. It can't be coincidental to not even acknowledge an event they've been endlessly promoting for 2 years when the day finally arrives.
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The decision for Levy is project vs shorterism (this season). It is a difficult one.
It seems that the problems are basically a combination of factors which the Board, Poch and the players must each bear some responsibility for. I think it it too simplistic to say it is just one of those.
The Board are responsible for the 12 months when we did not sign anyone, that has allowed the squad to go stale and complacency to set in without new blood and players being sufficiently challenged for their shirt. In that time the players have lost their edge, in some cases physically and mentally. However, if the ITKs are correct, Poch is also in part to blame by his refusal to look at players other than his main targets who were not achievable or who turned us down (De Jong). It cannot be right that there were no other players that could have improved us and it seems there was money to spend.
The Board is also to blame in:
(a) failing to shift the deadwood who hung around too long (VJ, GKN, VW) and in some cases are still here despite wanting to leave, DR, SA, CE. That can only create negativity. Rose will have takers but not sure about Serge.
(b) Allowing what was the core of the side, JV, TA and CE, who clearly know each other well and have a long-standing relationship to enter the final year of the contract. This is something Arsenal were ridiculed for. They are now going through the motions, without the intensity required to implement Poch’s methods, presumably looking at the final big contract to JV and TA.
I suspect this the “painful rebuild” Poch alluded to.
It also leaves us in a position of having to find a complete new back 4 and integrate them.
Poch is to blame for his poor judgment in some of comments in the press, not stating his commitment when linked with other jobs and his comments about the CL final and being the coach. The players will question his commitment.
He also needs to ditch the diamond and bring back the 4231 with the press. The players need to up the intensity and realise they are good players but they need to work harder with and without the ball.
The players need to stand up and be counted, have some professional pride in their performances and be hungrier to work harder than their opponents. They are not and far too often we start games slowly leaving ourselves too much to do in games or of late, capitulate (Saints aside). They need to play for the shirt, for the fans, for themselves even if they have issues with Poch. It’s all well and good saying we’re good players and should win silverware but they are the ones that choke in nearly all the semis / finals they have been in. Too many times do we hear about disappointment in these games.
Levy has to decide whether to back Poch for another few years or the players if they have lost faith with him. Problem is many of those players, JV, TA, SA, DR are ones at the back end of their careers or ones we want to move on anyway so I see more merit in changing out those players over the next two windows than the coach but that will be expensive. I think Poch needs to purge the dressing room again like when he first came and DL needs to take the hit on the fees. I just hope Kane is still with Poch.
The problem is that commercially will Levy risk not making the top 4, which will be a struggle if we keep this up. Arsenal, for all their problems are now favourites for third and Chelsea are more settled than us.
It seems that the problems are basically a combination of factors which the Board, Poch and the players must each bear some responsibility for. I think it it too simplistic to say it is just one of those.
The Board are responsible for the 12 months when we did not sign anyone, that has allowed the squad to go stale and complacency to set in without new blood and players being sufficiently challenged for their shirt. In that time the players have lost their edge, in some cases physically and mentally. However, if the ITKs are correct, Poch is also in part to blame by his refusal to look at players other than his main targets who were not achievable or who turned us down (De Jong). It cannot be right that there were no other players that could have improved us and it seems there was money to spend.
The Board is also to blame in:
(a) failing to shift the deadwood who hung around too long (VJ, GKN, VW) and in some cases are still here despite wanting to leave, DR, SA, CE. That can only create negativity. Rose will have takers but not sure about Serge.
(b) Allowing what was the core of the side, JV, TA and CE, who clearly know each other well and have a long-standing relationship to enter the final year of the contract. This is something Arsenal were ridiculed for. They are now going through the motions, without the intensity required to implement Poch’s methods, presumably looking at the final big contract to JV and TA.
I suspect this the “painful rebuild” Poch alluded to.
It also leaves us in a position of having to find a complete new back 4 and integrate them.
Poch is to blame for his poor judgment in some of comments in the press, not stating his commitment when linked with other jobs and his comments about the CL final and being the coach. The players will question his commitment.
He also needs to ditch the diamond and bring back the 4231 with the press. The players need to up the intensity and realise they are good players but they need to work harder with and without the ball.
The players need to stand up and be counted, have some professional pride in their performances and be hungrier to work harder than their opponents. They are not and far too often we start games slowly leaving ourselves too much to do in games or of late, capitulate (Saints aside). They need to play for the shirt, for the fans, for themselves even if they have issues with Poch. It’s all well and good saying we’re good players and should win silverware but they are the ones that choke in nearly all the semis / finals they have been in. Too many times do we hear about disappointment in these games.
Levy has to decide whether to back Poch for another few years or the players if they have lost faith with him. Problem is many of those players, JV, TA, SA, DR are ones at the back end of their careers or ones we want to move on anyway so I see more merit in changing out those players over the next two windows than the coach but that will be expensive. I think Poch needs to purge the dressing room again like when he first came and DL needs to take the hit on the fees. I just hope Kane is still with Poch.
The problem is that commercially will Levy risk not making the top 4, which will be a struggle if we keep this up. Arsenal, for all their problems are now favourites for third and Chelsea are more settled than us.
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doctor stefan Freud
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Cheers. Would he ordinarily attend that on behalf of the club? Completely ignorant of this side of the club!
I dont think he’d need to be there but you’d think the club would be promoting it.
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If Levy sacks Poch then I think I will pass on my season ticket for others to use for a while! Yes we are poor at the moment but this is a coach that has given us our best period of play since Burkinshaw in the 80s. The decision should be whether Poch believes he can turn it around. I sat at the game on Tuesday and I looked at a side that was 1/2 the team we had 3 years ago through a combination of Father Time (catching up on a few Toby, Jan, Rose), failure to replace players (Walker, Dembele) and reduction in attitude / work rate (Son, Eriksen, Kane). The only failing of Poch (if rumours are to be believed) is not freshening up the squad over the past few years, only wanting plan A). I know for a fact Madison, Ricardo, Mane, and Pulisic were all offered to Spurs first.
We have gone from the youngest average age line up to one of the oldest. Reflecting why we do not press in the same way we did before. Quite simply we rested on our laurels with the squad and it now needs a complete overhaul, why could Poch not pull this off again unless he does not want to?
No coach in the world is taking this current squad and challenging for titles. The centre backs are gone physically, the full backs are not good enough. The midfield has nothing about them (although N’dembele ‘at co e good). The game now is about 21 to 26 year old players. Levy had a better strategy of selling our top players and re harvesting the squad before. Keeping hold of everyone got us to a UCL final but gave us a false economy for the mid term.
Personally I would do an NFL style rebuild. Sell Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Eriksen (if we can) and buy 6-7 rising 20-23 year olds.
Fans can be patient with potential, but the team today is in such obvious deterioration and I am not sure much of the blame lays with Poch.
We have gone from the youngest average age line up to one of the oldest. Reflecting why we do not press in the same way we did before. Quite simply we rested on our laurels with the squad and it now needs a complete overhaul, why could Poch not pull this off again unless he does not want to?
No coach in the world is taking this current squad and challenging for titles. The centre backs are gone physically, the full backs are not good enough. The midfield has nothing about them (although N’dembele ‘at co e good). The game now is about 21 to 26 year old players. Levy had a better strategy of selling our top players and re harvesting the squad before. Keeping hold of everyone got us to a UCL final but gave us a false economy for the mid term.
Personally I would do an NFL style rebuild. Sell Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Eriksen (if we can) and buy 6-7 rising 20-23 year olds.
Fans can be patient with potential, but the team today is in such obvious deterioration and I am not sure much of the blame lays with Poch.
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I would think the club consciously want the NFL game to have no association with the football team. They want this to be all about the NFL. It’s why the club shop is predominately NFL merchandise. And why they have their own entrance. I suspect a Poch was even told to disappear and take a break from things (whilst Levy speaks to his trusted circle of advisors and reaches out to agents of potential replacements).
Monkey boy
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I’ll have it
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I think there are a lot of people leaping to conclusions related to Poch losing the dressing room. A week ago we were talking about the unity and fight showed against Southampton. Talk about the rot starting at the beginning of the year sure, but also talk about the CL run which showed coaching staff and players united in passion and often in tears - fighting for each other.
I'm not saying there's no element to losing confidence in the manager but I think people overlook poor form and low confidence. The first half versus the second against Bayern was such a clear view of this. In the first half we had confidence in our play but given results of late this confidence is brittle and can break easily as it did in the second half. The commitment of the team (or belief in the manager) didn't necessarily change from one half to the next, their confidence was shot whereas Bayern felt like everything they did would result in a goal.
Losing the dressing room is quite a final outcome.
But confidence can be gained with a few things going our way, a string of wins, a couple key players finding form, etc.
It's the same for any club really. Liverpool haven't actually been that great this season but they have a run of confidence that is unshakeable at the moment. Winning is a habit. But lose a couple key players and games they should have won and that can turn.
I hope that we can get a little run going to get the form, confidence and winning mentality back. It's looking less and less likely but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
I'm not saying there's no element to losing confidence in the manager but I think people overlook poor form and low confidence. The first half versus the second against Bayern was such a clear view of this. In the first half we had confidence in our play but given results of late this confidence is brittle and can break easily as it did in the second half. The commitment of the team (or belief in the manager) didn't necessarily change from one half to the next, their confidence was shot whereas Bayern felt like everything they did would result in a goal.
Losing the dressing room is quite a final outcome.
But confidence can be gained with a few things going our way, a string of wins, a couple key players finding form, etc.
It's the same for any club really. Liverpool haven't actually been that great this season but they have a run of confidence that is unshakeable at the moment. Winning is a habit. But lose a couple key players and games they should have won and that can turn.
I hope that we can get a little run going to get the form, confidence and winning mentality back. It's looking less and less likely but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
If the manager deserves backing and time then so do the players. Selling Kane and Son would be pushing the self destruct button.
They arent even acknowledging an event they've been endlessly promoting for 2 years. That cant be coincidental.
I dont agree with selling Kane, Dele or Son but the rest of this is spot on.
Hakkz
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Don't compare the two. Just looks silly.
Pauleta01
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It’s not that I want to sell them, but more that these are the only type of players left in the squad that could finance a complete rebuild and with Kane and Son in the next 2 years their value will start to erode as they get older. Drastic times require brave measures!
Hakkz
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More like, when they run down their contracts like everyone else..
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Agreed it’s weird that we aren’t promoting it but I don’t think it’s anything to do with sacking Poch. How are the two linked?
Im just saying maybe things are happening behind the scenes. I mean, Kane is there at the center circle for the coin toss. Our currently club captain(since Lloris is out of commission). The club say anything? Not a peep.
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