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Brave new worldWhat book ?
Brave new worldWhat book ?
Mate, you are so far off the mark on my post.
Poch is a motivator, no doubt. He is no tactical genius. My point is can he deliver silverware with the abilities he has. If yes let's stick with him, if not let's change now. You being a long time Spurs supporter would know how good this current squad was the past few seasons and it's criminal we haven't won anything.
I assume you are talking about Jay Rodriguez, in any event I'm not getting into that discussion cause on the flip side some have gone backward as well if you look closer.
Did Christian Gross qualify for the CL in consecutive seasons and/or take us to a CL final? This random selection nonsense works both ways doesn't it? What fun.I read tonight that Christian Gross had a better points return in his last 30 games vs Poch’s last 30 games.
Don't go back to lurking, you're posts are well thought out and explained, we could all do with a bit more of this so keep posting!No not Jay rod, the one that played up top in his team, he got a move to liverpool, ah here it is Rikki Lambert.
Apologies if i was miles away from your post, but the only reason i stopped lurking and started posting was I was shocked by the sheer volume of what i would say were more moderate posters on this forum jumping on the poch out brigade. So my posts were more than just a response to you alone, so sorry. Anyway I am going back to lurking as it takes up so much time posting and trying to respond to people, it's a full time job. maybe my posts are too long, I did feel that
I should add that this is a great site and some of you make me laugh out loud and add to my day and only now did i realise how much time it takes to keep posting., so thanks to everyone who takes the trouble.
Can you name me a player that left Pochettino and his career went on from there, I cant, maybe Lallana at a push. So maybe his system or coaching is all it is cracked up to be and that is why he has to push them harder.
Our midfield is powder puff.
Asking a motivated focussed in form Eriksen to do a defensive job is bad enough, asking this 2018 - 2019 Eriksen to do that is a pathetic decision.
Look at Winks’s stats. 7 duels only 1 won. Utterly pathetic and Poch plays him as our DM.
Sissoko who is much derided still compared to Winks attempted 8 tackles and won 5. Attempted 4 dribbles out of 4 successfully. Winks had zero dribbles successful. Sissoko even had higher pass accuracy.
Poch has to set up against Everton with Sissoko and NDombele in CM with GLC in front of them.
If he picks Winks again and Eriksen and Rose I will lose my mind.
and you pulled me back in...That's not a simplistic question.
Clyne did well enough in the season after he left to be bought by Liverpool
As you've mentioned Lallana
Lovren has a CL winners medal
Chambers has improved since
Shaw and Rodriguez both since had broken legs, so they can't be judged based on some sort of post-Pochettino hangover.
Fonte went on to win two international competitions
We've seen peaks and troughs from the same players under him so far, so I don't see how you could attribute the positive without the negative. Wanyama, for example, is now knackered, as was Dembele - Dele has had lots of injuries, as has Kane - does he ruin players long term fitness? You have to at least consider it.
He's a motivator, no doubt, but I think we've seen enough to be unconvinced by his tactical nous. His performance is based heavily on motivation and fitness, and it seems like we're struggling massively when we have neither.
Poch is a good manager that is not a question for debate, he’s probably even a great one, to be voted in the top 3 coaches at the fifa awards says it all. I used to love the guy when he was happy poch and I have so much time for him given what he’s achieved with us and where he’s taken the team and club from and to now. BUT he certainly has his flaws and our form has been poor for around 12 months now and a LOT of it has been down to him:
-constantly changing the team
-continuing to pick his ‘favourite’ players when they’re badly off form or wanting to leave
-stubbornly continuing with the diamond formation for AGESSSS when it clearly wasn’t working
-not reacting in games with tactical changes
-not making subs or changing the game until it’s too late
-fucking stupid experiments like winks DM, Sanchez RB over actual RB’s
-taking ages to integrate and play new signings
-negativity and contradicting himself in the media
so I’m sorry but for me it will be better for everyone if he now moves on at the end of this season. All good things come to an end and I really hope we can win the FA CUP as that has always been our cup it was the cup the Argentines made famous for us villa and ardiles so for him to win that and then leave this summer would be the perfect end.
I made no points about this season, purely trying to correct this idea that seems to keep coming up about how wonderful we were for the whole of that season. It’s a myth. We were turgid for the first half of the season with the exception of a couple of games. Form wasn’t like it is now, and clearly more is going on now than just form. But they weren’t the points being made.You have a point, but there were signs (the amazing performance to beat City 2-0 without Kane), and you never saw those group of players on the pitch and thought that they weren't playing for him for one second.
Look at our results at the time. Lots of draws, 2 losses by one goal to Manchester United and Chelsea, but never consistent maulings or completely abject performances in the league anyway. Having watched a couple of the Champions League games live I believe Wembley nerves played a large part and it didn't help us that we were playing quick counter attacking sides like Monaco.
I really don't think this is a case of a poor run of form now. It's being going on for far too long. No team functioning properly gets spanked by Bayern 7-2 only to play worse a few days later and get hammered by Brighton.
I read tonight that Christian Gross had a better points return in his last 30 games vs Poch’s last 30 games.
There is always another argument to make. Did Gross have the same quality of squad?Did Christian Gross qualify for the CL in consecutive seasons and/or take us to a CL final? This random selection nonsense works both ways doesn't it? What fun.
There is always another argument to make. Did Gross have the same quality of squad?
No, it’s quite clear that Pochettino is an infinitely better manager.You're actually entertaining this argument? Really?
He's a motivator, no doubt, but I think we've seen enough to be unconvinced by his tactical nous. His performance is based heavily on motivation and fitness, and it seems like we're struggling massively when we have neither.
Kyle Walker.I work in risk reward and have followed Tottnham all my life. This is such a big moment in our clubs future. We have been competing with the big boys on the pitch, but not even competing with everton and leicester off it, mainly because levy took his eye off the ball to get the stadium done and thought like a lot of people that you keep the great team together, but this team has been run into the ground.
If it is that easy to get a new manager why have chelsea, arsenal and Man utd all failed with their big budgets to stay with us. They all took risks with their managers in the job right now and at the moment chelsea look to be the only ones to really pay off, but it's so early yet, lets see how they go when they have a loss or two.
Pochettino performed very well for 2 seasons at saints and then an ok season in year 1, then had 4 good years with us and this one is not great, he is proven and the pattern is good for us. But we have to accept that this team needs changing quick to help him improve the performances I think we had a good start in the summer, but this time it cant just be a team that we sign we must sign competition to enable rest for our players. We need Levy to come up with the goods in Jan (he never does) and next summer. Or we will be saying goodbye to Kane I think, by the way the only manger that i would trust to get us another Kane is Poch, i still do not know how he got the Southampton forward to be so good, I cant remember his name.
Can you name me a player that left Pochettino and his career went on from there, I cant, maybe Lallana at a push. So maybe his system or coaching is all it is cracked up to be and that is why he has to push them harder.
No, it’s quite clear that Pochettino is an infinitely better manager.
You can tell it’s been nearly a week since we last played, he’s getting defended again. No chance we win this week, can’t believe he’s still at the club
No, it’s quite clear that Pochettino is an infinitely better manager.