The proposed move to the Olympic stadium poll

[AngerManagement]

Touched a nerve have I?

Dare I suggest you're not a real fan...yet what gives you the right to dictate who is in your pompous diatribe?

I've no problems with people who would go to Stratford, only those cyber critics who seem to feel those that have a real reason for not going, to be deemed less Spurs and can be done without.

All I did mate, was post a post in the vein yours was...insultive and demeaning....and you didn't like it.

Thousands of times you've been to see Spurs....yeah, course you have.

You never touched a nerve no, it's just the way I articulate myself it written form.
What makes you think I didn't like your post? I very much liked it as it was structured in a fashion which afforded me the ability to write my opinions on the subject and express myself,

enabled me to make the comments I wished to make on this subject I am very much glad you wrote your post.

YOu never insulted me of course, I am a grown man I do not take offence to things written over the internet get real.

you are entitled to your opinions and in your little book of what it means to be SPurs you can choose to believe what you wish....

as for the number of games I have been to, I have no idea far too many to count since my youth 'thousands' was an expression to illustrate the fact I have been to more games than I can remember you don't have to take it with Autistic like literacy.

I hope if the club does move away from the area your pub can start some type of successful karaoke night of a saturday to replace the lost trade though :beer::razz:

 

[Shaymus]

So new area, new ground, and what's our new name going to be?

 

[Achap]

What are you talking about?

What makes you think I have never had a season ticket at Spurs?

I held a season ticket at the club from the time I was 16 until I was 21 and only stopped when I moved to Birmingham for university.

I have been to games every season since 1989, watched the club up and down the country and in Europe. I have been to Wembley to watch us win the Carling cup. I am not an armchair supporter nor behind the laptop fan (not that I see anything wrong with people supporting the club in that fashion)
*I'm not trying to get into some gay pissing competition about who is the bigger supporter, I am just illustrating you are incorrect to assume I am a fan who never goes to games and has no connection to white hart lane and the area*
what are your points based on? you know nothing about me yet are making assumptions and ranting.

I have been to white hart lines more times than I could possibly count thousands of times, my father has been thousands of times before I was born and my grandfather rip had been thousands of times before either of us. I have family ties to the club, memories of going to the Lane since I was 6 years old.

I have little else in common with my father other than our love of Spurs, pretty much all of my fond memories and bonds with him during my childhood came via our car or tube journies to white hart lane, the walk around the ground before ko buying a programme getting a bag of chips on the high road and of course watching our beloved spurs.

The same goes for my granddad who is sadly no longer with us, I actually had no relationship with him (he wasn't that type of guy) other than the link we shared via Watching Spurs. I still remember being a six year old on Boxing day in 1989 and watching spurs grind out a bore draw with Luton with Fenwick missing a penalty....my first ever game, standing being the goal with my granddad as he told me about players from years gone by, it was pretty much the only times he would speak to me fondly.....or show me the nightclub on the high road (every game) and tell me "that used to be the Tottenham Royale, you wouldn't be born if it wasn't for that building, I met your nan in there"

What I am saying is I have deep and fond memories of White Hart Lane and the Tottenham area, so who are you to suggest otherwise when you know nothing about me?

What fabric am I attacking?

I'm not even saying I want to move to Stratford, I am saying fans who suggest they would stop supporting the club because it left the area can fuck off and form Hotspur of Tottenham FC and good luck to them.

WHat I am saying is INSPITE of my love for the Lane and the memories and tradition I love the CLUB MORe and I want what is best for the club, if it is deemed that the best thing for the clubs continued success is to relocate to Stratford then I will support that.

Moving would not eradicate our history or our memories, they live on in us the fans. Any such move would only be a continuation of our history not the destruction of it. If we had to move we would do so with heavy heart of course but we would move on to new ventures and challenges (to dare is to do) We would make new memories and traditions in our new home, it is the club we support and we follow them over land and sea...AND STRATFORD

Those who would turn their backs on the club and withdraw their support because of such a move are pathetic and I could give a fuck what they do. Go set up a little shit box team to play on Hackney Marshes and be the new AFC WIMBLEDON or UTD OF MANCHESTER and do your little pretentious interviews on sky sports news about how you are the REAL fans and what not.

It sounds like some hype being created by the land lords of the local pubs trying to save their livelihood if anything, because I can't believe for a second any fan of our club would actually turn their back on the team because they relocated 5miles down the road.

I get people saying it to add weight to their little protests while they aim to stop such a move....but when the dust settles, if the club actually did move I simply cannot understand how a fan would follow through with such petty little threats.

But we shall see, bullshit talk like this is actually starting to make me want the club to move to Stratford so I can watch fools like you ripping up your season tickets and fucking off to form Hostpurs AFC of Tottenham with your book about what being spurs is. :beer:

Well said AngerManagement - sums it up. A very interesting account as well. Duly repped.

 

[AngerManagement]

I actually would feel bad for the local business owners if the club were to move, no doubt it would have a hugely adverse impact on their trade, but I guess it would provide new opportunities for people in and around the area of the new site.

 

[Parmigiano]

You never touched a nerve no, it's just the way I articulate myself it written form.
What makes you think I didn't like your post? I very much liked it as it was structured in a fashion which afforded me the ability to write my opinions on the subject and express myself,

enabled me to make the comments I wished to make on this subject I am very much glad you wrote your post.

YOu never insulted me of course, I am a grown man I do not take offence to things written over the internet get real.

you are entitled to your opinions and in your little book of what it means to be SPurs you can choose to believe what you wish....

as for the number of games I have been to, I have no idea far too many to count since my youth 'thousands' was an expression to illustrate the fact I have been to more games than I can remember you don't have to take it with Autistic like literacy.

I hope if the club does move away from the area your pub can start some type of successful karaoke night of a saturday to replace the lost trade though :beer::razz:

Tee total mate...but what has my local pub got to do with it anyway?

 

[AngerManagement]

Tee total mate...but what has my local pub got to do with it anyway?

I was joking, suggesting you must be a local pub owner as only such people would make such claims of disowning the club to add weight to petitions.....it obviously missed you.... nevermind, it wasn't that funny anyway.

 

[Jaispurs]

Tottenham Hotspur to me is the club I first started supporting in 1977 when we were in the old 2nd division. My first game was Aston Villa first game of the season back in Division One to watch the debuts of Ardiles and Villa. £1.50 was the price of a ticket in the East Stand with my dad. I will never forget that day - the walk to the ground, the smell of the burgers, the songs the atmosphere. We lost 1-4 (i believe) but it didn't dampen my spirits I loved it and fell in love with the romance of Tottenham Hotspur or as I called them SPURS.

I don't remember anything of Tottenham as a place. I don't now 30 odd years later. I have been a season ticket holder since 1998 and love my seat at the home of Spurs. When i'm at the Lane I am not in Tottenham; hell why would I ever go to Tottenham? I am at the Lane, the home of my beloved Tottenham Hotspur.

I know its romantic but it has nothing to do with Tottenham or the surrounding area. If I was to chose a club for its area I would support the Chavs.

Its not about the area its about the club. And if it means we can keep our identity by moving a handful of miles down the road then so be it.

Man City have done it, they moved from their home in Moss Side to the centre of Manchester. Southampton moved miles well out of Southampton but they are still and will always be Southampton.

I agree that our home is Tottenham but why risk the future of the club on some silly notion of a patch of land.

I would scream from hell or high water if Levy was sending us to Hertfordshire or out of London but he is not. He is simply looking at a very viable option of a ready made area to build a stadium to be revered around the world and still have money to spend on players and staff etc.

Whats the point of having a wonderful stadium at Northumberland Park when we can't buy any players and will end up slipping down the league struggling for survival. We haven't the production line that the goons have.

Be realistic people and remember the club needs to be financially sound for us to do what we are doing now. Or do you all want an Arabian sugar daddy who will sell the club down the river like Man Citeh

 

[MattyP]

The thing you have to remember though, is that Liverpool were almost bankrupted by less than half that amount of debt, and their turnover was 50% more than ours currently. Yes we may be able to do it (and will probably have to) but it is a huge risk.

Also love the Irish centre especially when it's warm and you can have a drink in the carpark.

In a vain attempt to get this sort of back on track, Levy would not have proposed the NDP in the first place if it was not viable.

The only things that have changed since then are the additional £50m on costs, a revised capacity and Boris pulling down his pants and asking us to blow his cock in exchange for the Olympic site.

Yes, I'd prefer the additional £50 to be spent on players, but it does not turn it from a viable proposition to one that is no longer viable.

Levy would have done scenario planning, including how much additional it would cost before it would be too risky. An extra £50m is not going to be the tipping point.

 

[Lilbaz]

Tottenham Hotspur to me is the club I first started supporting in 1977 when we were in the old 2nd division. My first game was Aston Villa first game of the season back in Division One to watch the debuts of Ardiles and Villa. £1.50 was the price of a ticket in the East Stand with my dad. I will never forget that day - the walk to the ground, the smell of the burgers, the songs the atmosphere. We lost 1-4 (i believe) but it didn't dampen my spirits I loved it and fell in love with the romance of Tottenham Hotspur or as I called them SPURS.

I don't remember anything of Tottenham as a place. I don't now 30 odd years later. I have been a season ticket holder since 1998 and love my seat at the home of Spurs. When i'm at the Lane I am not in Tottenham; hell why would I ever go to Tottenham? I am at the Lane, the home of my beloved Tottenham Hotspur.

I know its romantic but it has nothing to do with Tottenham or the surrounding area. If I was to chose a club for its area I would support the Chavs.

Its not about the area its about the club. And if it means we can keep our identity by moving a handful of miles down the road then so be it.

Man City have done it, they moved from their home in Moss Side to the centre of Manchester. Southampton moved miles well out of Southampton but they are still and will always be Southampton.

I agree that our home is Tottenham but why risk the future of the club on some silly notion of a patch of land.

I would scream from hell or high water if Levy was sending us to Hertfordshire or out of London but he is not. He is simply looking at a very viable option of a ready made area to build a stadium to be revered around the world and still have money to spend on players and staff etc.

Whats the point of having a wonderful stadium at Northumberland Park when we can't buy any players and will end up slipping down the league struggling for survival. We haven't the production line that the goons have.

Be realistic people and remember the club needs to be financially sound for us to do what we are doing now. Or do you all want an Arabian sugar daddy who will sell the club down the river like Man Citeh

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ur-westhamunited-olympic-stadium-ground-share

Possible.

 

[Zimmy]

Or do you all want an Arabian sugar daddy who will sell the club down the river like Man Citeh

Man City have been sold down the river?

They really seem to be suffering what with the likes of Balotelli, Tevez, Yaya Toure, David Silva in their first xi.

God forbid any Arab should want to throw the best part of £600,000,000 at our sacred club; We'd be done for!

 

[Parmigiano]

I was joking, suggesting you must be a local pub owner as only such people would make such claims of disowning the club to add weight to petitions.....it obviously missed you.... nevermind, it wasn't that funny anyway.

We find some accord.

You write about your father and your grandfather, and the fact that perhaps, the only real common ground you had with them, was the Club. And you write, quite poignantly if I may say, about obvious treasured memories of your trips to the Lane.

And no matter how you look it in retrospect, it really is about going to the Lane, to see the Lilywhites. The two, White Hart Lane and Tottenham Hotspur are intrinsically linked, emotionally so in many cases. The magic both names conjour up to Spurs fans everywhere, surely can not be in doubt. You can not think of one, without the other.

Football does that. It is as an emotive experience to you as it is to others, but for obvious personal reasons. I wouldn't for one second, endeavour to insult those memories you have. Quite the opposite in fact, I laud you and anyone to write about those moments and others that you may have.

Because that to me is more than just a fraction of what equates to what a lot of us believe is called the spirit of the Club.

Some may argue that it is the glory, the Tottenham Way that is that spirit, and that thus the spirit only equates from the time of Billy Nick. But that's not the case, because if you are well versed in the rhetorical history of the Club, then you will know that the Tottenham Way had its roots back to the Push and Run side of the 50's, the Greyhounds of the 30's, the wonderful 20's side, all the way back to the time of John Cameron and the legends of 1901.

Spurs have always played in a certain way that the fans have demanded. Its a peculiarity for Spurs, that winning is not enough, but that it be done in style. Or as Billy Nick succinctly put it, that even in failure, there should be an echo of glory. Success on its own, is simply not enough. But it is what Spurs fans have demanded,now why that is so, I guess we'll never know, but it stems from the locals who attended those early games, and they were local to the area, and who passed on those demands generation upon generation.

Its another fraction to the element of that spirit.

The Lane is very special to all of us. But to some of us, a lot of us, for whatever reason we chose or didn't choose to support Tottenham Hotspur but just did, it equates to something akin to sacred ground. The monochrome ghosts of Tottenham past, both on the field and in the terraces, are THE identity of this Club.

You stood and praised on the same ground, on the same patch, and the same manor, as your dad did before you, and his dad before him, and who knows, maybe there were others before him. And any others will declare the same, irrespective of where they, as humans, now class as their abode.

The Lane, and its inhabitants, and what goes on within its environment is Tottenham Hotspur. That's where you'll find the Club. To think that could be replicated elsewhere, at the drop of a hat, is simply not the case. What you will have at Stratford is a mere illusion of that spirit. A fake, as cheap and tacky as a branded sweater bought in Thailand...it simply isn't the real deal.

Now there could be many reasons why Spurs fans are insisting that they will not support the club that calls the Olympic stadium its home ground, but fundamentally, the reason will be that that club in Stratford, simply is not their Club. They simply do not view following ENIC and its assets as the same as following Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. They will never recognise it as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. And will therefore consider the club that plays there as soulless an entity as the plasticity of the corporate mediocrity that will be its home. And thus, it could be said, with some justification, that the fans who go to Stratford, will not be 'Spurs' fans any more, no matter what trademarked brand they follow and they believe themselves to be called. And that's because in their eyes, the Club will cease to exist in Stratford.

You say the Club doesn't need those fans, then I would counteract it and say that the Club without those fans is not, and never will be, a continuation of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

And for you to spite them in the way you have, tells me that perhaps the spirit of the Club died long ago, and that the mediocrity of the modern corporate game has finally did the impossible in turning football into a rational experience, utterly devoid of emotion, passion and glory.

You see, for many of us, the Lane is the last vestige of the game itself. Its not just Tottenham Hotspur that dies by moving to Stratford, its the game of football. We never followed Spurs because of its balance sheets, nor read the FT for its results in the shares index, and certainly abhor everything that corporate hospitality brings to the game. Monopoly was never our game.

Stratford is no different to Qatar in our eyes. So think carefully before you spout your insults towards those who view the Club as something more than just success and money.

Over land and sea maybe, but never at home in Stratford

 

[tooey]

We find some accord.

You write about your father and your grandfather, and the fact that perhaps, the only real common ground you had with them, was the Club. And you write, quite poignantly if I may say, about obvious treasured memories of your trips to the Lane.

And no matter how you look it in retrospect, it really is about going to the Lane, to see the Lilywhites. The two, White Hart Lane and Tottenham Hotspur are intrinsically linked, emotionally so in many cases. The magic both names conjour up to Spurs fans everywhere, surely can not be in doubt. You can not think of one, without the other.

Football does that. It is as an emotive experience to you as it is to others, but for obvious personal reasons. I wouldn't for one second, endeavour to insult those memories you have. Quite the opposite in fact, I laud you and anyone to write about those moments and others that you may have.

Because that to me is more than just a fraction of what equates to what a lot of us believe is called the spirit of the Club.

Some may argue that it is the glory, the Tottenham Way that is that spirit, and that thus the spirit only equates from the time of Billy Nick. But that's not the case, because if you are well versed in the rhetorical history of the Club, then you will know that the Tottenham Way had its roots back to the Push and Run side of the 50's, the Greyhounds of the 30's, the wonderful 20's side, all the way back to the time of John Cameron and the legends of 1901.

Spurs have always played in a certain way that the fans have demanded. Its a peculiarity for Spurs, that winning is not enough, but that it be done in style. Or as Billy Nick succinctly put it, that even in failure, there should be an echo of glory. Success on its own, is simply not enough. But it is what Spurs fans have demanded,now why that is so, I guess we'll never know, but it stems from the locals who attended those early games, and they were local to the area, and who passed on those demands generation upon generation.

Its another fraction to the element of that spirit.

The Lane is very special to all of us. But to some of us, a lot of us, for whatever reason we chose or didn't choose to support Tottenham Hotspur but just did, it equates to something akin to sacred ground. The monochrome ghosts of Tottenham past, both on the field and in the terraces, are THE identity of this Club.

You stood and praised on the same ground, on the same patch, and the same manor, as your dad did before you, and his dad before him, and who knows, maybe there were others before him. And any others will declare the same, irrespective of where they, as humans, now class as their abode.

The Lane, and its inhabitants, and what goes on within its environment is Tottenham Hotspur. That's where you'll find the Club. To think that could be replicated elsewhere, at the drop of a hat, is simply not the case. What you will have at Stratford is a mere illusion of that spirit. A fake, as cheap and tacky as a branded sweater bought in Thailand...it simply isn't the real deal.

Now there could be many reasons why Spurs fans are insisting that they will not support the club that calls the Olympic stadium its home ground, but fundamentally, the reason will be that that club in Stratford, simply is not their Club. They simply do not view following ENIC and its assets as the same as following Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. They will never recognise it as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. And will therefore consider the club that plays there as soulless an entity as the plasticity of the corporate mediocrity that will be its home. And thus, it could be said, with some justification, that the fans who go to Stratford, will not be 'Spurs' fans any more, no matter what trademarked brand they follow and they believe themselves to be called. And that's because in their eyes, the Club will cease to exist in Stratford.

You say the Club doesn't need those fans, then I would counteract it and say that the Club without those fans is not, and never will be, a continuation of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

And for you to spite them in the way you have, tells me that perhaps the spirit of the Club died long ago, and that the mediocrity of the modern corporate game has finally did the impossible in turning football into a rational experience, utterly devoid of emotion, passion and glory.

You see, for many of us, the Lane is the last vestige of the game itself. Its not just Tottenham Hotspur that dies by moving to Stratford, its the game of football. We never followed Spurs because of its balance sheets, nor read the FT for its results in the shares index, and certainly abhor everything that corporate hospitality brings to the game. Monopoly was never our game.

Stratford is no different to Qatar in our eyes. So think carefully before you spout your insults towards those who view the Club as something more than just success and money.


Over land and sea maybe, but never at home in Stratford

What a frankly over-stated, overly emotional, profound nonsence.

Your right im a few respects, I dont support tottenham as a buisness, but I do want glory, I do want success. If that means making a fuck load of money and moving a few miles down the road then so be it.

There will come a time when we have to leave the ground. Be it in 2 years or in 20. It wont be easy at any point but we have to just be rational and realise it's not the end of the world.

I understand the heritage of the current site, I can also understand the emotional attachment, but more important than your selfish reasons for wanting to stay are the needs of the wider support base. I want to see tottenham top the league table, I want to see spurs lift an F.A cup, I want to see us lift the top prize in european football, this can only be a reality if people pull out their tampons and start looking at this logically.

If we move then we will put together a new history, new storys, new unforgetable goals, new unforgetable players. If you really care about the club then you have to support the option thats best for the fans and best for the books.

People need to think with their head and not their heart on this one im afraid.

 

[Parmigiano]

What a frankly over-stated, overly emotional, profound nonsence.

Your right im a few respects, I dont support tottenham as a buisness, but I do want glory, I do want success. If that means making a fuck load of money and moving a few miles down the road then so be it.

There will come a time when we have to leave the ground. Be it in 2 years or in 20. It wont be easy at any point but we have to just be rational and realise it's not the end of the world.

I understand the heritage of the current site, I can also understand the emotional attachment, but more important than your selfish reasons for wanting to stay are the needs of the wider support base. I want to see tottenham top the league table, I want to see spurs lift an F.A cup, I want to see us lift the top prize in european football, this can only be a reality if people pull out their tampons and start looking at this logically.

If we move then we will put together a new history, new storys, new unforgetable goals, new unforgetable players. If you really care about the club then you have to support the option thats best for the fans and best for the books.

People need to think with their head and not their heart on this one im afraid.

What's selfish about what I've written? Am I stopping you from going?

Have I advocated ENiC doesn't move? Its their club not yours, they can do what they want, uts their prerogative and neither of us will have a say.

But I'm glad, that in spite of the nonsense, you understand why some of us are choosing not to follow ENIC to Stratford should that materialise.

And I hope your tampon doesn't cause you too much discomfort if thats where your brains are. Nice talking to you.

 

[Lilbaz]

We find some accord.

You write about your father and your grandfather, and the fact that perhaps, the only real common ground you had with them, was the Club. And you write, quite poignantly if I may say, about obvious treasured memories of your trips to the Lane.

And no matter how you look it in retrospect, it really is about going to the Lane, to see the Lilywhites. The two, White Hart Lane and Tottenham Hotspur are intrinsically linked, emotionally so in many cases. The magic both names conjour up to Spurs fans everywhere, surely can not be in doubt. You can not think of one, without the other.

Football does that. It is as an emotive experience to you as it is to others, but for obvious personal reasons. I wouldn't for one second, endeavour to insult those memories you have. Quite the opposite in fact, I laud you and anyone to write about those moments and others that you may have.

Because that to me is more than just a fraction of what equates to what a lot of us believe is called the spirit of the Club.

Some may argue that it is the glory, the Tottenham Way that is that spirit, and that thus the spirit only equates from the time of Billy Nick. But that's not the case, because if you are well versed in the rhetorical history of the Club, then you will know that the Tottenham Way had its roots back to the Push and Run side of the 50's, the Greyhounds of the 30's, the wonderful 20's side, all the way back to the time of John Cameron and the legends of 1901.

Spurs have always played in a certain way that the fans have demanded. Its a peculiarity for Spurs, that winning is not enough, but that it be done in style. Or as Billy Nick succinctly put it, that even in failure, there should be an echo of glory. Success on its own, is simply not enough. But it is what Spurs fans have demanded,now why that is so, I guess we'll never know, but it stems from the locals who attended those early games, and they were local to the area, and who passed on those demands generation upon generation.

Its another fraction to the element of that spirit.

The Lane is very special to all of us. But to some of us, a lot of us, for whatever reason we chose or didn't choose to support Tottenham Hotspur but just did, it equates to something akin to sacred ground. The monochrome ghosts of Tottenham past, both on the field and in the terraces, are THE identity of this Club.

You stood and praised on the same ground, on the same patch, and the same manor, as your dad did before you, and his dad before him, and who knows, maybe there were others before him. And any others will declare the same, irrespective of where they, as humans, now class as their abode.

The Lane, and its inhabitants, and what goes on within its environment is Tottenham Hotspur. That's where you'll find the Club. To think that could be replicated elsewhere, at the drop of a hat, is simply not the case. What you will have at Stratford is a mere illusion of that spirit. A fake, as cheap and tacky as a branded sweater bought in Thailand...it simply isn't the real deal.

Now there could be many reasons why Spurs fans are insisting that they will not support the club that calls the Olympic stadium its home ground, but fundamentally, the reason will be that that club in Stratford, simply is not their Club. They simply do not view following ENIC and its assets as the same as following Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. They will never recognise it as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. And will therefore consider the club that plays there as soulless an entity as the plasticity of the corporate mediocrity that will be its home. And thus, it could be said, with some justification, that the fans who go to Stratford, will not be 'Spurs' fans any more, no matter what trademarked brand they follow and they believe themselves to be called. And that's because in their eyes, the Club will cease to exist in Stratford.

You say the Club doesn't need those fans, then I would counteract it and say that the Club without those fans is not, and never will be, a continuation of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

And for you to spite them in the way you have, tells me that perhaps the spirit of the Club died long ago, and that the mediocrity of the modern corporate game has finally did the impossible in turning football into a rational experience, utterly devoid of emotion, passion and glory.

You see, for many of us, the Lane is the last vestige of the game itself. Its not just Tottenham Hotspur that dies by moving to Stratford, its the game of football. We never followed Spurs because of its balance sheets, nor read the FT for its results in the shares index, and certainly abhor everything that corporate hospitality brings to the game. Monopoly was never our game.

Stratford is no different to Qatar in our eyes. So think carefully before you spout your insults towards those who view the Club as something more than just success and money.

Over land and sea maybe, but never at home in Stratford

Jumpers for goal posts, when men we're men and all that? So by that definition we shouldn't even have the NDP, change our kit or sponsors? Sad to say that time moves on and we can either move with it or be left behind. We need a bigger stadium if we want to challenge at the top. All things being equal everyone would want to stay at the Lane, but they're not.

 

[Zimmy]

What a frankly over-stated, overly emotional, profound nonsence.

Spot on, in an ideal world we'd build a new site at WHL and not let it in any way have an adverse effect on our finances. In the world we currently inhabit that aint never gonna happen.

People need stfu with this idealistic bullshit 'my grandfather this, my grandfather that'. Either get with the times or F*ck off, they'll be plenty waiting to take your place.

 

[Parmigiano]

Jumpers for goal posts, when men we're men and all that? So by that definition we shouldn't even have the NDP, change our kit or sponsors? Sad to say that time moves on and we can either move with it or be left behind. We need a bigger stadium if we want to challenge at the top. All things being equal everyone would want to stay at the Lane, but they're not.

We are challenging now Lilbaz.

I really don't get the angst....a fair number of us say, we won't go no matter what, and we are being accused of being selfish?

We can have this argument ad finitum, we may all want to stay at the Lane, espouse our points of view, speculate what the figures are, or may not be ( no one knows ), but it seems to me that some see this as an opportunity to launch a free for all for insulting people and their opinions from the safety of cyber world.

Because at the end of the day, if you think any of us has any real say on the outcome then that is the real delusion....its not up to us. Levy wll do whats right for ENIC and their shareholders, first and foremost (and rightly so in my opinion) and who gives a fuck what little mattbrakeuk, Lilbaz or nonsensical parmigiano say on a forum...its not for us to decide, and they will make that decision, but I doubt very much you'll have any facts before that decision is made.

Now whether I choose to put more money that I can ill afford in the ENIC coffers to allow them to do something I truly don't want them to do, is a completely different matter, and one for me to make.

For what its worth, the OS may well be cheaper, but that doesn't equate to say that Spurs cant compete at the NPD. If that actually is the case....then what happens if Spurs don't get Stratford. Will you put your weight behind the NPD and risk, if you believe some of the real nonsense on here, that it will bankrupt the Club, or will you settle for little 36k Tottenham?

 

[Parmigiano]

Spot on, in an ideal world we'd build a new site at WHL and not let it in any way have an adverse effect on our finances. In the world we currently inhabit that aint never gonna happen.

People need stfu with this idealistic bullshit 'my grandfather this, my grandfather that'. Either get with the times or F*ck off, they'll be plenty waiting to take your place.

Gosh you're hard Zimmy, bet you're like that at the Lane eh? :wink:...but really you should show more respect to Anger Management, as it was him that referred to his family.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

We find some accord.

You write about your father and your grandfather, and the fact that perhaps, the only real common ground you had with them, was the Club. And you write, quite poignantly if I may say, about obvious treasured memories of your trips to the Lane.

And no matter how you look it in retrospect, it really is about going to the Lane, to see the Lilywhites. The two, White Hart Lane and Tottenham Hotspur are intrinsically linked, emotionally so in many cases. The magic both names conjour up to Spurs fans everywhere, surely can not be in doubt. You can not think of one, without the other.

Football does that. It is as an emotive experience to you as it is to others, but for obvious personal reasons. I wouldn't for one second, endeavour to insult those memories you have. Quite the opposite in fact, I laud you and anyone to write about those moments and others that you may have.

Because that to me is more than just a fraction of what equates to what a lot of us believe is called the spirit of the Club.

Some may argue that it is the glory, the Tottenham Way that is that spirit, and that thus the spirit only equates from the time of Billy Nick. But that's not the case, because if you are well versed in the rhetorical history of the Club, then you will know that the Tottenham Way had its roots back to the Push and Run side of the 50's, the Greyhounds of the 30's, the wonderful 20's side, all the way back to the time of John Cameron and the legends of 1901.

Spurs have always played in a certain way that the fans have demanded. Its a peculiarity for Spurs, that winning is not enough, but that it be done in style. Or as Billy Nick succinctly put it, that even in failure, there should be an echo of glory. Success on its own, is simply not enough. But it is what Spurs fans have demanded,now why that is so, I guess we'll never know, but it stems from the locals who attended those early games, and they were local to the area, and who passed on those demands generation upon generation.

Its another fraction to the element of that spirit.

The Lane is very special to all of us. But to some of us, a lot of us, for whatever reason we chose or didn't choose to support Tottenham Hotspur but just did, it equates to something akin to sacred ground. The monochrome ghosts of Tottenham past, both on the field and in the terraces, are THE identity of this Club.

You stood and praised on the same ground, on the same patch, and the same manor, as your dad did before you, and his dad before him, and who knows, maybe there were others before him. And any others will declare the same, irrespective of where they, as humans, now class as their abode.

The Lane, and its inhabitants, and what goes on within its environment is Tottenham Hotspur. That's where you'll find the Club. To think that could be replicated elsewhere, at the drop of a hat, is simply not the case. What you will have at Stratford is a mere illusion of that spirit. A fake, as cheap and tacky as a branded sweater bought in Thailand...it simply isn't the real deal.

Now there could be many reasons why Spurs fans are insisting that they will not support the club that calls the Olympic stadium its home ground, but fundamentally, the reason will be that that club in Stratford, simply is not their Club. They simply do not view following ENIC and its assets as the same as following Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. They will never recognise it as Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. And will therefore consider the club that plays there as soulless an entity as the plasticity of the corporate mediocrity that will be its home. And thus, it could be said, with some justification, that the fans who go to Stratford, will not be 'Spurs' fans any more, no matter what trademarked brand they follow and they believe themselves to be called. And that's because in their eyes, the Club will cease to exist in Stratford.

You say the Club doesn't need those fans, then I would counteract it and say that the Club without those fans is not, and never will be, a continuation of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club.

And for you to spite them in the way you have, tells me that perhaps the spirit of the Club died long ago, and that the mediocrity of the modern corporate game has finally did the impossible in turning football into a rational experience, utterly devoid of emotion, passion and glory.

You see, for many of us, the Lane is the last vestige of the game itself. Its not just Tottenham Hotspur that dies by moving to Stratford, its the game of football. We never followed Spurs because of its balance sheets, nor read the FT for its results in the shares index, and certainly abhor everything that corporate hospitality brings to the game. Monopoly was never our game.

Stratford is no different to Qatar in our eyes. So think carefully before you spout your insults towards those who view the Club as something more than just success and money.

Over land and sea maybe, but never at home in Stratford

I honestly understand how you feel, and I think most of us older fans (I don't know if you are but assume you are) feel a lot of that and more. We've all got a shit load of memories good and bad and everything in between and every single one of those memories starts with that skip, stumble, trudge, march up to WHL from various angles.

But let me put this question to you: If staying in Tottenham costs us 200m+ more, and that has the knock on effect us having sell our best players and not spend any money on major incomings and we struggle and become at best the old mid table mediocrity we were a few years ago or we move a couple of miles up the road, get a beautiful new stadium with great transport infrastructure that we can all still get to just the same, and it costs us 200m+ less which means we can continue to invest in the side and keep hold of the legacy we have been building for the last 5/6 years and hopefully gain financially from the move (and gain on the pitch as result), what would you choose ?

Because honestly, I'm struggling with that question. I desperately want us to stay in Tottenham, but I really don't think I could take another 20 years of fucking shit football sacrifice.

It's a toughie.

 

[Zimmy]

Gosh you're hard Zimmy, bet you're like that at the Lane eh? :wink:...

I'm not a hard person at all I just don't like to see sentiment stand in the way of progress.

 

[Parmigiano]

I honestly understand how you feel, and I think most of us older fans (I don't know if you are but assume you are) feel a lot of that and more. We've all got a shit load of memories good and bad and everything in between and every single one of those memories starts with that skip, stumble, trudge, march up to WHL from various angles.

But let me put this question to you: If staying in Tottenham costs us 200m+ more, and that has the knock on effect us having sell our best players and not spend any money on major incomings and we struggle and become at best the old mid table mediocrity we were a few years ago or we move a couple of miles up the road, get a beautiful new stadium with great transport infrastructure that we can all still get to just the same, and it costs us 200m+ less which means we can continue to invest in the side and keep hold of the legacy we have been building for the last 5/6 years and hopefully gain financially from the move (and gain on the pitch as result), what would you choose ?

Because honestly, I'm struggling with that question. I desperately want us to stay in Tottenham, but I really don't think I could take another 20 years of fucking shit football sacrifice.

It's a toughie.

Mate, I could throw the opposite question at you...would you stop following Spurs if we ended up in the championship or worse? No need to answer that because I dare say that if you were around in 77, you're still here.

I think we are all aware that financially, based on the zero information we have, its a no brainer. But if people want to stand their ground on the hard financial details we currently have, which I repeat is zero info, then I'm struggling with that.

And when will you be given those hard facts?

How are you enjoying your Spurs today? Like me, I dare say you are on a real buzz, probably more than I've ever known and that is going back some 5 decades....and I think a lot of it falls down to the fact that we are providing the goods whilst being currently perceived as 'poor little Tottenham' (you'll understand the irony of that statement)...that is to say, against the odds. I think its added so much more to it all.

Now look at Chelsea and City....can you honestly say their fans are experiencing what they've long aspired to, or does it feel somewhat shallow to them...I reckon the latter based on my discussions with some of their old skool support.

What about the Goons, know loads of the old skool...you must surely too....what are they telling you?

It is a toughie for sure, but to say we can't compete without it when clearly we are now, I don't know mate is the honest answer...but I know its no guarantee that it will give us that edge...even Levy recently said that we shouldn't expect it year in, year out...and that was at a time when he knew the OS was an option...or preferred choice however you want to view it.