The Regeneration of Tottenham Thread

[Wick3d]

This is the full letter Levy sent that caused the planning decision to be pulled.

Levy has a point though. The plans for the area just seem short-sighted. It is just packed with housing and nothing else appears to be considered. Be interesting to see how this progresses.

 

[Wine Gum]

Some of the Planning Application also seems deliberately misleading. Lendlease have pulled Haringey’s pants down with these proposals.

 

[Wick3d]

Some of the Planning Application also seems deliberately misleading. Lendlease have pulled Haringey’s pants down with these proposals.

I'm glad the club is flexing in this area. The council are not up to the task for what Tottenham needs and they need support.

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

This is the full letter Levy sent that caused the planning decision to be pulled.

Go Danny. You may have struggled in pulling together a quality footy team but you sure know how to deal with the fuck wits at Haringey. That is one quality letter that shows how easy residential developers can ride in build shit developments and ride away as rich as fuck and leaving behind an employment desert with non existent community facilities. I would love to see their reply.

 

[Wine Gum]

Link to the Planning Committee meeting recording

One of the Councillors declared she was Gooner before the meeting started

 

[Wick3d]

Link to the Planning Committee meeting recording

One of the Councillors declared she was Gooner before the meeting started

Local politics can truly be a cesspit. Just a bunch of wannabe MPs I should add, there are some great councillors, but they get drowned out by the utter morons that somehow get elected

 

[Delboy75]

Honestly absolute state of this lot, amazing they have running water in Haringey.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Honestly absolute state of this lot, amazing they have running water in Haringey.

Done well

 

[harrmaud]

I'm a bit confused about the current state of play of high road west. So the council/lendlease application was deferred. Is this application for basically the sum total of the regeneration taking place? I.e. does HRW include stuff like Love Lane etc?

And if the lendlease application does go ahead, does it mean that the club won't be doing any of the regeneration?

Just exchanged on a house just near the stadium so obviously want to hear the regeneration will be done to as high a standard as possible with good community assets, which it sounds like the club will do more than lendlease.

 

[Delboy75]

I'm a bit confused about the current state of play of high road west. So the council/lendlease application was deferred. Is this application for basically the sum total of the regeneration taking place? I.e. does HRW include stuff like Love Lane etc?

And if the lendlease application does go ahead, does it mean that the club won't be doing any of the regeneration?

Just exchanged on a house just near the stadium so obviously want to hear the regeneration will be done to as high a standard as possible with good community assets, which it sounds like the club will do more than lendlease.

The club own about 30% of HRW something like that and have permission on all of it and will likely push ahead. The rest is Haringey/lendlease mess I’m sure eventually they will sort it out, but who knows when. There is also the Northumberland park scheme which is basically other side of the stadium but that’s at much earlier stage no actual applications. But I’d suggest in 10 years you’ll be sitting on a nice investment. The area will get better.

Love lane is in council/ lendlease area. They have permission already to demolish it so it will definitely be gone. I guess there’s a slim chance council could buy up Spurs land but I don’t see it myself.

 

[Wine Gum]

There are 2 competing schemes.

ENIC own around a third of the HRW and have planning consent for their plots and have recently submitted revised plans.

The Haringey/Lendlease development vehicle have submitted a plan for the entire HRW area which was pulled following representations by The Club.

If Lendlease did get planning consent for their plans they would need to Compulsory Purchase the land ENIC own which would cost a lot and no doubt result in a protracted legal battle - remember Archway holding up the stadium.

 

[Delboy75]

Are you sure lendlease application covers Spurs owned land ? Can they even do that ?

 

[Wine Gum]

Are you sure lendlease application covers Spurs owned land ? Can they even do that ?

You don’t need to own land to make a planning application for it. You have to notify the owner but you obviously cannot build it without owning it. Same as for the Archway land. The Club made several planning applications but couldn’t complete the stadium until the land was secured.
I am not sure Haringey would even get compulsory purchase powers if they tried to as ENIC have planning consent for development of their own. It does appear that the whole Regeneration will get delayed through legal disputes.

 

[Wine Gum]

Further objection document from The Club handed to Council Members on 17th March.

 

[Delboy75]

Quite an interesting bit in a very good article today in the Athletic how Chelsea looked at building on top of Waterloo station. Also talks about how flats were part of the plan and would have near enough covered the build. Interesting exactly what will happen from the money generated from the South podium flats. If that will go straight towards the stadium debt or into the transfer kitty. Probably a bit of both I’d guess.

 

[sausage]

This is the full letter Levy sent that caused the planning decision to be pulled.

And this is the crux of issues in our society:

No other developer would be allowed to even progress a planning application on this basis, let alone have it taken to committee with a recommendation to grant permission. Is this what Councillors really want to deliver for North Tottenham, after ten years of consultation and engagement?

Councillors get away with a lot more than politicians, as such actions usually have little-to-no exposure. It's clearly a matter of either corruption, or ineptitude. The resolution shouldn't simply be a correction - it should be demanded that the councillors justify why this is allowed.

It happens all over the country and the system is clearly broken if such decisions would be allowed to be made without exposure like that

 

[Delboy75]

Exactly you have totally unqualified people making massive decisions on environment and society. I would guess lots of people that vote in council elections are just voting labour or conservative and probably don’t even know what the councillor they are voting for looks like. The system is clearly very open to corruption.

 

[sausage]

Exactly you have totally unqualified people making massive decisions on environment and society. I would guess lots of people that vote in council elections are just voting labour or conservative and probably don’t even know what the councillor they are voting for looks like. The system is clearly very open to corruption.

Happens country wide as far as I can see.

New builds now tend to be built three storeys high and have communal parking, with absolutely no outside space, draining, or otherwise green oxygen-producing landscaping. They simply stuff as many houses as is profitable into tiny plots and have next to no excuse of "affordability" in mind.

Not too far from me there's a plot of land the size of half a 5-a-side pitch with some trees. Only single lane access down the side of existing houses. The GP and school are already over capacity, and a developer made plans to put something like 15 houses on it. You'd be amazed if you saw it. Council shuffled it through and granted permission on it despite tons of objections, before it got exposure in the local paper and the community made a bigger fuss.

Is it too much to ask for councils to be subject to the same Security Clearance that you'd need to work for the government at any other level? Regularly scrutiny of income and so on, including any 'interests' from councillors in the applications?


I always look at this kind of stuff and wonder why the government doesn't have the ability to produce more socially considered and pragmatic housing - training and hiring people into new trade skills to produce them, then pricing them sensibly? Just can't see why there's no positive ideas that ever come out of the political structures.

 

[worcestersauce]

Building houses/homes is obviously of paramount importance but if that's all you build then it's not regeneration.

 

[Krafty]

We’re going a little off topic, but often developers are told they need to up the number of homes on a site at expense of space to get planning permission, and when it comes to parking some clever spark thought if they mandated less parking spaces people would stop using cars, when it just means more cars.

Undoubtedly developers can also be part of the problem, but there are errors and problems pretty much across the whole process when it comes to housing and property development