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The State of officiating in the Premier League

Should Video Technology be brought in?


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Beni

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Mar 3, 2004
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Didn't know if I should of created this in General or Spurs Chat, but thought as it affects us I will put it here, Mods feel free to move if requird.

Today is another example of another poor display by the Ref and Linesman, and it's not the first. Its not even marginally wrong, its embarassing how clear it was that he was in his own half.

Call me a conspiracist, but this same linesman flagged everything in the 2nd half that were marginal offside for our forwards, yet in the 1st half all of the marginal ones for them (Defoe offside in lead upto their equalizer, and Fletcher was offside for his chance that he should of scored) he didn't put his flag up, and just seemed so eager to let everything go Sunderlands way compared to ours.

Foy has previous with us, as mentioned by others, with Adebayors disallowed goal against Stoke in 2011, and we have a history of bad decisions.

Now, I have been saying this for years, the officiating in this country is corrupt or make decisions based on biased judgement. Refs will like football to want to be a ref, and all will have a favourite team which they will disclose to the FA, meaning they cannot ref a game involving their supported team. It doesn't stop Refs dislike for clubs though, I mean I support Tottenham, but I hate Liverpool, but because I have no affiliation with Liverpool, if I was a ref, it wouldn't be forbidden for me to ref a Liverpool game and this possibly would cloud any 50/50 decision to sway heavily to 1 side.

This isn't about a 'Poor Tottenham, everyone is against us" thread, as I am sure many clubs get their their fair share of poor decisions that are being discussed on their forums right now. Like Newcastles blatant penalty for handball today against Southampton that wasn't given, that would have earnt Newcastle a draw.

Whether you agree with me about the corrupt/biased officials or not, surely there is an agreement that the officiating in this league is really bad and could be vastly improved or aided in their decision making. I am not saying every decision can be right, and I do have sympathy with refs with certain decisions, as the game is so quick, and is hard to have eyes everywhere and they don't have the luxury of slowed down replays etc. So what do we do about it? Just accept it...

I really can't see why in the modern era, with the technology available to us, we haven't moved the the game forward for video technology. I am not saying bring it in for every decision, as it possibly would slow the game down. But for every big decision, like the award or non award of a penalty, you could challenge. To view a replay of a tackle, that in refs eye could be a red card. After a goal is scored, whether their was an offside or infringement in the build up.

I personally like the idea that, if a sides manager doesn't agree with a certain decision, they have a certain amount of challenges during a game, that they can use to challenge a decision, where it would goto independent officials in the stand to override or agree with the Ref.
This, in my opinion won't slow the game down, as most of these challenges would come once the play is already stopped i.e After a goal is scored and being celebrated, the award and waiting for the penalty to be taken, waiting for a player to leave the field if red carded.

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CheeseGromit

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Aug 22, 2013
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I really cannot understand how Foy is still on the Prem list

He is the most ineffective referee I have ever seen. Sure there othërs like Jonathon Moss who are poor but Foy consistently fails to referee the game is supposedly in charge

I hated the thought , at one time, of technology being involved but not now. Mistakes have got to be reduced dramatically

I suggest that a TV referee watches the games from the stands. When the Ref gets it wrong a signal is sent to a cattle prod stuck up the refs arse that gives him an electric shock to tell him he made a mistake. Most would not last a game

Seriously Poll was right; they are useless. Even Webb was well off the boil in the end
 

JohannTHFC

Active Member
Aug 2, 2014
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Did a referee ever make a public apology before after a performance? I certainly think after today Foy should apologize to the club and fans.
 
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Geyzer Soze

Fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd
Aug 16, 2010
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He's a damned disgrace & that linesman ought to be sacked. Not only for the final offside call, he was consistently wrong all game

They must both explain themselves
 

McGoose

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Aug 25, 2012
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What's making me curious is why we can get the best players, managers, chairmen, scouts from all over the world but the referees have to be English in the PL. There are many talented referees from other countries who would do a great job in the PL given the opportunity. Why not give them the chance?
 

NicoClaesen81

Active Member
Jan 2, 2015
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Foy is 51 so hopefully we wont be getting Foy'ed too many more times before the FA hands him his bingo vouchers..
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
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They went into loads of detail on it on MOTD, surprisingly

I think it was always going to be a talking point. One of the worst bits of officiating I've ever witnessed.

Glad they did a close-up of the sap so we can all recognise the clueless wonder in the future (though hopefully he'll be demoted to pub football from now on).
 

DaSpurs

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Jan 20, 2013
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What's making me curious is why we can get the best players, managers, chairmen, scouts from all over the world but the referees have to be English in the PL. There are many talented referees from other countries who would do a great job in the PL given the opportunity. Why not give them the chance?

Completely agree, as this would also serve to more likely to negate the possibility of "negative bias" which @Beni discussed.
 

Mustard

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Nov 14, 2012
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Every season we lose 2 or 3 goals. Every season.

But I suspect every fan of every prem team would say the same.
 

DaSpurs

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Jan 20, 2013
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Completely agree with the OP. It's one thing if it were just this one decision, but he made horrendous calls the entire match in both halves on his side, and each one only in favor of one side. I believe there were four outright incorrect calls he made against us. Coincidence, mayhaps. But compare that to zero in favor of Sunderland, and it starts to make it look a whole lot less like a coincidence.

To negate this, I think the FA either needs to a) allow refs from other nations, or b) if they want to keep them English, develop a method to recruit people to be referees who are not football fans. Yes that would add to costs, but games like today should absolutely embarrass the FA. How that man is paid to make the decisions he did today at this level of football and with this magnitude of economic revenue on the line is beyond mind-baffling.

At the end of the day, IMO there's no excuse for some of these decisions being made in the Premier League. Decisions such as today shouldn't happen at any level, and the fact they happen in the world's most watched and most invested in league is remarkable. I get that the modern Prem game is incredibly rapid, but that still does not justify the glaring mistakes due to poor vision we see in far too many games every single weekend. It's just not good enough from the officials for any league at any level, and especially not for the Barclays Premier League. Absolutely shocking, and I absolutely believe the FA needs massive reassessment of their policies, criteria for officiating, and even right down to the very officials they currently have on the ground
 

Disconosebleed

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Dec 22, 2005
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Didn't know if I should of created this in General or Spurs Chat, but thought as it affects us I will put it here, Mods feel free to move if requird.

Today is another example of another poor display by the Ref and Linesman, and it's not the first. Its not even marginally wrong, its embarassing how clear it was that he was in his own half.

Call me a conspiracist, but this same linesman flagged everything in the 2nd half that were marginal offside for our forwards, yet in the 1st half all of the marginal ones for them (Defoe offside in lead upto their equalizer, and Fletcher was offside for his chance that he should of scored) he didn't put his flag up, and just seemed so eager to let everything go Sunderlands way compared to ours.

Foy has previous with us, as mentioned by others, with Adebayors disallowed goal against Stoke in 2011, and we have a history of bad decisions.

Now, I have been saying this for years, the officiating in this country is corrupt. Refs will like football to want to be a ref, and all will have a favourite team which they disclose to the FA and mean they cannot ref a game involving their supported team. It doesn't stop Refs dislike for clubs though, I mean I support Tottenham, but I hate Liverpool, but because I have no affiliation with Liverpool, if I was a ref, it wouldn't be forbidden for me to ref a Liverpool game and this possibly would cloud any 50/50 decision to sway heavily to 1 side.

This isn't about a 'Poor Tottenham, everyone is against us" thread, as I am sure many clubs get their fair share of poor decision that are being discussed on their forums right now, like Newcastles blatant penalty for handball today against Southampton that wasn't given, that would have earnt Newcastle a draw.

Whether you agree about me about the corruption of officials or not, surely there is an agreement that the officiating in this league is really bad. I am not saying every decision can be right, and do have sympathy with refs with certain decisions, as the game is so quick, and is hard to have eyes everywhere. So what do we do about it? Just accept it...

I really can't see why in the modern era, with the technology available to us, we haven't moved the game forward for video technology. I am not saying bring it in for every decision, as it would slow the game down. But for every big decision, like the award or non award of a penalty, you could challenge. To view a replay of a tackle, that in refs eye could be a red card. After a goal is scored, whether their was an offside or infringement in the build up.

Like all players, or indeed all people, referees and linesmen are prone to error or, occasionally, just plainly incompetent. That does not equate to being corrupt. When Fletcher fucked his chance wide at the end of the first half, was he cheating in Spurs' favour? No, he was just incompetent. When Vertonghen made a rash challenge having found himself out of position after wrongly thinking Defoe was onside, was it evidence that he had an interest in Sunderland equalising? No, he just made a mistake, because he's human. Some referees make more mistakes than others, just as some players do, some managers do, some humans do.

The linesman made a mistake. It was an unfathomably poor decision, but then so was Walker's decision to backheel to nobody rather than square to a well-placed Adebayor. Humans are capable of making inexplicably shit decisions, as proven by you posting this thread - before you throw out accusations of corruption, just have a think about the depth of what you're suggesting. A linesman who has presumably had to work exceptionally hard and well to reach the pinnacle of his profession risks losing his livelihood in order to cheat entirely obviously by disallowing a goal that, in all likelihood, won't even have a direct impact on the result of a single match? Wind yourself in - he's just a shit linesman. Possibly not even a shit linesman, but a good linesman who made one, admittedly baffling, mistake - just like Messi fucking a penalty over the bar or a goalkeeper spooning one into his own net. Because he's human.
 

spurslenny

I hate football
Nov 24, 2006
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I'm convinced that the linesman didn't even know the rules in this instance. And Foy was probably just happy to take his word for it.

Either way, in ineptitude was staggering.
 
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