"They Haven't Won Anything Yet"

[Led's Zeppelin]

We were the best and biggest payers in the late 80's along with being the club first to spend £2m+ for Gascoigne in 1988. Scholar's problem was his obsession with diversifying into areas that failed.. Hummel being one. Knitwear business being another. This along with probably over spending on Gazza, Lineker and Stewart pushed us to a financial melt down. I still don't believe the position when Sugar bought us was as dire as everyone makes out, as Midland bank was never going to liquidate a football institution.
Sugar is no mug and would never of sanctioned buying the club for the love of it. He saw a fantastic asset at a knock down price and then pounced along with El Tel. Sugar. He then had 10 or so years at the helm when the club limped through it's most turgid and dire times known to man!

I question the idea that Sugar is no mug, just because Amstrad once made him money. Many of his business ventures have failed one way or another, including THFC, where he spectacularly failed to capitalise on the PL/technology/SkyTV/CL revolution, leaving us 15 years or more behind the curve.

We're only now starting to properly catch up, so to be criticised by supporters of other clubs for only having overtaken Arsenal, Man Utd., Man City and Liverpool, and being just pipped by a Europe-free financial-doping fraud of a club in Chelsea, is simply envy-fuelled gibberish.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Remember that interview with Matthew Syed on Sky when he explained in eloquent detail why Chelsea's success was filthy and tainted, and the Sky panel looked blankly at him, stuttered a few incoherent umm and errs, and eventually came back with "but they've won some trophies"?

We're in danger of behaving like the Sky knobs and falling into the same trap.

We will win trophies. But there's no embarrassment in anything we've achieved or failed to achieve so far with a brilliant, young and improving team.

That's the trouble with the people on Sky. Everything's black or white, with no shades of grey. You either win trophies or you don't. Other concerns, especially morals or ethics, don't come into it, and if the game suffers, so what? Whether Sky influences its viewers or merely is a reflection of the way we think as a society, I'm not sure. Maybe it's a bit of each, but it sure isn't healthy.

 

[sunnydelight786]

The only other Spurs team that I saw that was close to being as much a joy to watch was our 87 team , including Hoddle, Waddle, Ardiles,, Allen, Mabbutt, Gough etc. That team won nothing either and broke up too quickly. . But I still remember that team as something special even though there were no trophies.

Completely agree. And Ive always said the same, despite watching (live) the 81-84 team win trophies, I still remember that 87 team that failed to win a trophy as better.

And you forget to namecheck the best RB I've seen in a Spurs shirt...

Still for me the best and my favourite THFC I have seen in near 40 years of watching us, but apart from us older heads, who saw them, no one really talks about them. IF they had won the FA Cup. like they should have or the Littlewoods Cup the they would certainly be revered like our team of 81-84.

 

[Dougal]

Ah, the 87 team. To use the phrase associated with one of our players 'I just don't think you understand'. For the current team to fall into that category would be heart-breaking. Signifies perfectly the importance of continuity at this point.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ah, the 87 team. To use the phrase associated with one of our players 'I just don't think you understand'. For the current team to fall into that category would be heart-breaking. Signifies perfectly the importance of continuity at this point.

This team has already emulated and marginally surpassed that 87 team IMO. That team lost a semi-final of the league cup to Arsenal and finished a distant third. This team, in a much stronger league has finished a vert close second to a team that had no European football and also lost a semi-final.

The 87 team never broke my heart, it gave me immense pleasure, as has this team. A trophy would be a cherry on top, but I don't need a cherry to enjoy a fucking big tasty cake underneath.

 

[Dougal]

This team has already emulated and marginally surpassed that 87 team IMO. That team lost a semi-final of the league cup to Arsenal and finished a distant third. This team, in a much stronger league has finished a vert close second to a team that had no European football and also lost a semi-final.

The 87 team never broke my heart, it gave me immense pleasure, as has this team. A trophy would be a cherry on top, but I don't need a cherry to enjoy a fucking big tasty cake.

The 87 team didn't break my heart, still my favourite season (probably until this one finishes), but my heart was broken for them. As much as a team can deserve some silverware, that team did. Don't want to have to repeat this sentiment in the next few years.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The 87 team didn't break my heart, still my favourite season (probably until this one finishes), but my heart was broken for them. As much as a team can deserve some silverware, that team did. Don't want to have to repeat this sentiment in the next few years.

Isn't that kind of the point though, the people that matter still remember that 87 team, because we understand how good it was, why it was good etc.

If that team won the league cup would the wider football world look back and say "wow, that 87 Spurs team was magnificent" because of that? I very much doubt it.

I get what you are saying about how you would have liked it for that team, and I can empathise with that view to a degree. But for me as a fan it's pretty irrelevant.

Hopefully, this lot will have the memory of a few wins at Wembley to cherish by this time next year....

 

[Dougal]

Isn't that kind of the point though, the people that matter still remember that 87 team, because we understand how good it was, why it was good etc.

If that team won the league cup would the wider football world look back and say "wow, that 87 Spurs team was magnificent" because of that? I very much doubt it.

I get what you are saying about how you would have liked it for that team, and I can empathise with that view to a degree. But for me as a fan it's pretty irrelevant.

Hopefully, this lot will have the memory of a few wins at Wembley to cherish by this time next year....

I agree it takes nothing away from it and glad that there's the appreciation of game out there as opposed to those who discount any team that doesn't have the medals on show. Football should never be about just that. Unfortunately we have the constant drone in the background suggesting it's just that. So much more to enjoy, as we have this season.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Ah, the 87 team. To use the phrase associated with one of our players 'I just don't think you understand'. For the current team to fall into that category would be heart-breaking. Signifies perfectly the important of continuity at this point.

The Dutch national team that didn't win a trophy in the 1970s is still remembered as one of the best, most exciting teams ever, even eclipsing the teams that beat them. Their reputation hasn't suffered a bit.

I'd absolutely love to win bags of trophies but everyone knows that Spurs are now a better team than Arsenal or Man Utd even if those two end up with three trophies between them.

 

[Chris Flynn]

If we win the FA or League cup next season the other fans/media will claim it doesn't really count as we were basically playing the final at 'home'.

 

[sunnydelight786]

The 87 team didn't break my heart, still my favourite season (probably until this one finishes), but my heart was broken for them. As much as a team can deserve some silverware, that team did. Don't want to have to repeat this sentiment in the next few years.

Mine too especially losing that Cup final the way they did, Hoddle's last game for us and that team having nothing to show for being, imho, the best team in the land that season. Fixture congestion caught up with us in the end. The saddest thing of all was how quickly that team was broken up after

 

[Gb160]

If we win the FA or League cup next season the other fans/media will claim it doesn't really count as we were basically playing the final at 'home'.

No it'll be: "can Spurs keep hold of their best players? they surely want League titles and Champions League medals, not FA/League cup shit"

 

[fletch82]

No it'll be: "can Spurs keep hold of their best players? they surely want League titles and Champions League medals, not FA/League cup shit"

That or they will want to leave because we don't wear red

OR after we have won the prem fa cup cl it will be they have nothing left to stay for haha
Haters gonna hate

 

[mil1lion]

It's funny that our last 2 trophies came under Ramos and Graham yet our best football has been under Redknapp and now Pochettino. I love to see us win trophies but the prestige of Champions League is just as big if not bigger. If Arsenal finish 5th and win the FA cup I would say we've had a more successful season. If they finish 4th and win the FA cup then unfortunately they'll have come off with more success even though we've played better.

I am a bit worried though. We've won a trophy in every decade but this one and we're running out of time to keep that run going.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't see the leadership in there with Dele. I don't see it in any of the current team.

I'm talking a Gattusso type that leaves everything he's got on the pitch (or around Joe Jordan's neck!).

Thinking about it; Winks has the potential to do it.

Wanyama

 

[AmericanSpur]

If it was all about money we wouldn't be 2nd

And if it was all about trophies Wigan wouldn't be 23rd in the Championship. Enjoy what you have and don't fret over the things you don't fella.

 

[gregga]

If we go out of the CL group stages again I'd like to see us go all out to win the Europa League.

Lifting that trophy would be a fantastic feeling and should be achievable for this group of players.

We could even prioritise it above the league. We need a trophy.

 

[tiger666]

If we go out of the CL group stages again I'd like to see us go all out to win the Europa League.

Lifting that trophy would be a fantastic feeling and should be achievable for this group of players.

We could even prioritise it above the league. We need a trophy.

We also need to pay for a stadium.

 

[riggi]

Until poch wins something, he's dead to me.

 

[tiger666]

Until poch wins something, he's dead to me.

Manager of the month yo