this myth about ajax not producing quality players anymore

[deselina]

they are saying teams like sporting and west ham have produced better over the years, i beg to differ

list of active players:

vdv, sneijder (real madrid), heitinga (atletico madrid), maduro (valencia)

seedorf (ac milan), maxwell (inter milan)

vds (manchester united), babel (liverpool), de jong (manchester city) and very recently vermaelen (arsenal).

then there are the likes of huntelaar (real madrid), ibrahimovich and chivu (inter milan) who were bought by ajax at a young age and made the step up to bigger leagues after they have matured.

i agree, most aren't of the same kaliber of a cruyff, van basten or rijkaard but players like these don't come very often.

thank you for taking notice, rant over.

 

[Rackybear]

They say deselina is not bias towards dutch teams/players, i beg to differ.

No-one ever doubted ajax have stopped producing quality talent.

Thank you for taking notice, rant over.

 

[deselina]

wasn't really directed to spurscommunity but more like english media outlets as a whole. i was reading redcafe just of now and they were saying ajax are not one of europe's elite clubs because we haven't produced players as of late.

they were also saying that although ajax may have won some national trophies after '95 we haven't done anything to justify our status but they think they are 2nd behind real madrid based solely on how many epl championships they have.

ajax have almost won twice the amount of silverware in europe than man utd.!

everyone is biased about their own club but some more than others.

 

[Supersonic]

What has this got to do with anything?

You produce a few good players every now and then, woop woop

 

[Bonjour]

I prefer the one about the Minotaur.

 

[Rackybear]

wasn't really directed to spurscommunity but more like english media outlets as a whole. i was reading redcafe just of now and they were saying ajax are not one of europe's elite clubs because we haven't produced players as of late.

they were also saying that although ajax may have won some national trophies after '95 we haven't done anything to justify our status but they think they are 2nd behind real madrid based solely on how many epl championships they have.

ajax have almost won twice the amount of silverware in europe than man utd.!

everyone is biased about their own club but some more than others.

Fair enough. Would have been better of postin it on redcafe then :razz:

 

[smithym]

racky you do make me laugh

 

[Rackybear]

racky you do make me laugh

:grin:

What did I say..:roll:

 

[joey55]

Sneijder made his debut in 2002 and I can't think of any top quality Ajax players coming through since then. There have a number who have had their reputation and price inflated because they wore the Ajax shirt, but I can't think of any of real quality. Had Babel come through at Utrecht instead of Ajax, would he have anything like the big reputation he had a couple of years ago? His football certainly never deserved it.

 

[deselina]

babel made the wrong choice of joining the wrong club. i can't think of any young player that has made it there under both houllier and benitez.

from what i heard as of late is that he's very eager to join arsenal to link up with his friend van persie alongside kalou who also wants to join.

they are planning a get together lol.

babel wanted to be loaned out in december but benitez declined but insisted on still keeping him on the bench behind riera and benayoun.

 

[3Dnata]

Another reason why i hope Platini gets his way over transfers and clubs have to play more players from their own country is I'd like to see clubs like Ajax do well in the Cl just so it won't get boring.
Dutch players are picked up by madrid,Barca,the Arse and assorted german clubs and are just squad players and don't develop into the full article.
I'm sure if they could have stayed with Ajax and got regular football they'd be better players.
And if England developed their own players they yoo would benefit and not have a summer like Euro 2008.

 

[Bobishism]

heitinga maduro maxwell de job babel aren't exactly top tier (quality players). Certainly not on the level of some of the players Barcelona have produced lately.

 

[deselina]

heitinga maduro maxwell de job babel aren't exactly top tier (quality players). Certainly not on the level of some of the players Barcelona have produced lately.

nobody can match barcelona's la masia at the moment, not even ajax. everybody knows that.

although a lot of their 'developed' players like messi were brought in from elsewhere and didn't go through all their youth ranks.

 

[deselina]

after seeing pienaar today who was also a product of the ajax academy i can safely say we have produced more quality players than barcelona even.

albeit their quality is a step above ours with the likes of messi and iniesta.

 

[Adam]

after seeing pienaar today who was also a product of the ajax academy i can safely say we have produced more quality players than barcelona even.

albeit their quality is a step above ours with the likes of messi and iniesta.

That is absolute rubbish. Quality players? Ajax havent made a good Champions League player since Ibrahimovic, whereas Barca have made about 15-Messi and Iniesta were signed up when they were 10 and 12 respectively, so as far as im concerned that counts as a player coming right through the ranks. However, if you are actually going to label Pienaar as a quality player then we might as well lock this thread up and go to sleep now, as your whole point is redundant and the posters on redcafe have been proved correct.

 

[deselina]

15 you say?

please name them mr loudmouth

 

[Adam]

OK, well in terms players that have performed well in the Champions League, Barca have made Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, Busquets, Bojan, Messi, Motta, Guardiola and Guiza, whilst players like Arteta, Albert Ferrer and Fran Merida either have done, could do or will play in established Champions League sides.

Saying that Ajax's crop is even comparable to Barca's is just laughable.

 

[deselina]

do you even know how old puyol or guardiola are?

are you really wanna go into this?

you can still back down from your statement, i advise you to.

 

[Adam]

Well, they have both played in the Champions League, and Guardiola is younger than Van Der Sar, whilst Puyol younger than Clarence Seedorf. You have named both of those players in your list in the first post

you can still back down from your statement. i advise you to.

 

[deselina]

ok since you included guardiola and puyol.

OK, well in terms players that have performed well in the Champions League, Barca have made Valdes VD Sar, Puyol Ronald de Boer, Pique Maxwell, Xavi Seedorf, Iniesta Overmars, Fabregas Davids, Busquets Sneijder, Bojan Van Der Vaart, Messi Kluivert, Motta Vermaelen, Guardiola Rijkaard and Guiza Babel, whilst players like Arteta Nigel de Jong, Albert Ferrer Heitinga and Fran Merida Maduro either have done, could do or will play in established Champions League sides.

Saying that Ajax's crop is even comparable to Barca's is just laughable.

really?

i left out a few when looking at the positions.